#192388 - 09/08/10 11:34 AM
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starlight.2
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Petraeus: Burning Qurans will undermine U.S. efforts in Afghanistan
By Michael Gisick
Stars and Stripes
Published: September 8, 2010
Across the street from a complex of U.S. and NATO bases in central Kabul, Mathemitician Ghulam Farouk Hamkar stands next to a banner decrying plans by a small Florida church to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of Sept. 11. The plans have sparked widespread outrage among Afghans. The banner, somewhat imperfectly translated into English, reads in part: "I warning U.S. government, if do not stop desecrate to Islam profanity in their country, for further white house will be responsible."
Gen. David Petraeus on Wednesday ratcheted up his condemnation of plans by a small Florida church to mark the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks by burning copies of the Quran, likening the popular outrage that would follow in Afghanistan to the reaction in Iraq to photographs of detainee abuses.
“I think the images of such an action would be as indelible and inflammatory as have been the images of Abu Ghraib,” he said. “This will put our troopers and civilians in greater danger, and it’s somewhat inexplicable to me that fellow citizens would do that.”
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#192390 - 09/08/10 11:42 AM
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We should not burn their holy books but we need to kick Islam fundies out of Christian America once and for all. They are out to destroy Christianity and to absorb everyone into their religion and put them under Sharia law including Agnostics and Atheists and any other religion found in our country and they will lie and steal and do whatever it takes for however long it takes to achieve their Muslim goals. They are a ferocious and deadly dangerous race of people!!!
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#192393 - 09/08/10 11:53 AM
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Paulwa, many of the 5 million Muslims in this country have been here for several generations and have just as much right to be here as you do. Your fear is playing exactly into the hands of the Islamic extremists, since they'd like nothing better than to make their whole agenda into an all-out war between Islam and Christianity.
The only real weapon they have against us is fear. Don't give in to it or you're helping them win.
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#192398 - 09/08/10 12:15 PM
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The idiot preacher said he was going to burn the Korans even though government officials have asked him not to because it will probably put our troops and civilians in greater danger.
He loves our country and troops so much he is going to do all he can to get more Americans killed.
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#192399 - 09/08/10 12:18 PM
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They are a ferocious and deadly dangerous race of people!!!
Paul
Who? What race of people?
Never mind. Bigots just hate for the fear of it. 
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#192402 - 09/08/10 01:11 PM
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If that 5 million Muslims are American citizens then they are pledged to our Constitution over their Muslim way of life. I doubt most hold that view but are more dedicated to the Koran than our Constitution.
Arabs, MerryA.
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#192403 - 09/08/10 02:59 PM
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They are a ferocious and deadly dangerous race of people!!!
Paul
lol...all evidence to the contrary. Israel kicks their ass regularly. Between the gulf war and the war on terror, 10 years total, they have only managed to kill less than 6,000 of our troops, thankfully. Militarily, they are pretty inept.
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#192406 - 09/08/10 04:52 PM
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Paulwa, it seems to me that you place your religion ahead of the US constitution, which is exactly what you are accusing all the Muslim-Americans of doing. Does that mean YOU aren't a true loyal citizen and we shouldn't trust you? In a choice between obeying the constitution or obeying your faith, which would you choose?
The United States is NOT a Christian nation and the religon of citizens should not matter as long as they are loyal to our constitution.
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#192417 - 09/09/10 08:33 AM
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If that 5 million Muslims are American citizens then they are pledged to our Constitution over their Muslim way of life. I doubt most hold that view but are more dedicated to the Koran than our Constitution.
Arabs, MerryA.
Paul
FYI The breakdown of Muslims in the US according to "Islam for Today"
African-Americans are reported to comprise 42% of the total; 24.4% are Indo-Pakistani; 12.4% are Arabs; 5.2% are Africans; 3.6% are Iranians; 2.4% are Turks; 2% are South-East Asians; 1.6% are white Americans; 0.85% are Albanians; and all other groups comprise 5.6%.
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#192422 - 09/09/10 10:10 AM
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did anybody see the daily show w/ jon stewart last night?
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#192425 - 09/09/10 02:52 PM
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INTERPOL issues global alert for increased terror threat if Koran burning in US goes ahead as planned
LYON, France – INTERPOL has today issued a global alert to its 188 member countries following the request of Pakistan’s Minister of the Interior, and its own determination, that if the proposed Koran burning by a pastor in the US goes ahead as planned, there is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow.
Minister Rehman Malik personally contacted INTERPOL Secretary General Ronald K. Noble to engage the world police body’s assistance in warning law enforcement of the increased terrorist threat if plans reported by the media to burn the holy book were carried out on Saturday’s anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
“One of INTERPOL’s primary functions is to prevent crime, and given that we have been made aware of a significant threat to public safety – an assessment which we share – it is our duty to ensure that we pass this information on to law enforcement agencies around the globe so that they can take appropriate measures,” said INTERPOL Secretary General Ronald K. Noble.
“Although there are currently no specific details as to what forms of terror attacks would follow, what is clear is if the Koran burning goes ahead as planned, there will be tragic consequences, ones which may well claim the lives of many innocent people,” added Mr Noble.
INTERPOL has circulated Pakistan’s warning and its own alert to all National Central Bureaus around the world, and also has requested that any country receiving information about a potential threat to public safety contact INTERPOL’s General Secretariat headquarters immediately.
“September 11 is a day when the world should come together to redouble our efforts to prevent and fight terrorism, not a day when any individual, especially an American, should engage in provocative acts that will give terrorists propaganda intended to convert September 11 from a day of remembrance, to one of recruitment for terrorists and others inspired to attack the US and other western targets,” stressed Secretary General Noble.
“Pakistan’s actions in contacting INTERPOL to ensure that potentially vital information in helping police identify and prevent any form of terror attack is circulated worldwide are to be commended, and the reaction of INTERPOL and others around the world in response to this planned hateful act should be seen by the Muslim community as strong evidence that this man and his small congregation stand alone,” concluded Secretary General Noble.
In addition to circulating any related information to NCBs, staff at INTERPOL’s 24-hour Command and Co-ordination Centre at the General Secretariat Headquarters will be placed on alert and be asked to treat with urgency any information related to potential criminal conduct linked to the burning of the Koran.
http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2010/PR069.asp
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#192429 - 09/09/10 04:06 PM
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UPDATE:
Pastor Cancels Koran Burning and Plans to Meet Imam
By HELENE COOPER
Published: September 9, 2010
NYTimes.com
GAINESVILLE, Fla. - The pastor planning a burning of the Koran on Saturday said Thursday he will cancel the event, adding he plans to meet with the imam planning to build an Islamic center near ground zero.
Terry Jones, the pastor from Gainesville, Fla., said at a press conference, "We have agreed to cancel the event."
"I have agreed to meet with him," he said in reference to the Imam planning to build the Islamic center, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
"We have at this time no regrets," he said. "We feel we have accomplished our goal. We are very very happy with the outcome."
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#192432 - 09/09/10 04:19 PM
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MerryA all of those listed by hyou have been conquered by Arab Muslim Islamists. And now they want America too, no matter how long it takes them or what they have to do to get it.
Ghoti my faith overidss the constitution but I follow the constitution till it is overridden by wicked people.My fzith dfoes not attempt to overthrow the constitution because it was made for christian people to follow. Our forefathers said without God and His laws our cvonstitution would be worythless and no one would be able to follow it. It is based on God our Creator and man. Not Atheism or Evolutionist and others out to remove God from the equation.
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#192434 - 09/09/10 04:25 PM
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MerryA all of those listed by hyou have been conquered by Arab Muslim Islamists. And now they want America too, no matter how long it takes them or what they have to do to get it.
Ghoti my faith overidss the constitution but I follow the constitution till it is overridden by wicked people.My fzith dfoes not attempt to overthrow the constitution because it was made for christian people to follow. Our forefathers said without God and His laws our cvonstitution would be worythless and no one would be able to follow it. It is based on God our Creator and man. Not Atheism or Evolutionist and others out to remove God from the equation.
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#192437 - 09/09/10 05:16 PM
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"We have at this time no regrets," he said. "We feel we have accomplished our goal. We are very very happy with the outcome."
Fifteen minutes of fame & still stretching for more.
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#192440 - 09/09/10 06:30 PM
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Paulwa, the constitution specifically says that there shall never be any religious test to hold any office in the US. IMO that's absolute proof that the founders did NOT intend for this to be a Christian nation.
Otherwise, why would they have said that?
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#192447 - 09/09/10 07:13 PM
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MerryA all of those listed by hyou have been conquered by Arab Muslim Islamists. And now they want America too, no matter how long it takes them or what they have to do to get it.
If ignorance is bliss you are one happy camper.
How do you figure that Arab Muslims have "conquered" Africian Americans, the people who make up the majority of American Muslims?
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#192452 - 09/09/10 07:37 PM
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Paulwa, the constitution specifically says that there shall never be any religious test to hold any office in the US. IMO that's absolute proof that the founders did NOT intend for this to be a Christian nation.
Otherwise, why would they have said that?
Plenty of reason....you simply choose not to think about it. And so that does not make you ignorant when you repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat this crap....it simply makes you vocal about what you do know,....which is....lol....well, not much....otherwise, you'd be posting something for people to sink their teeth into instead of this repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat. Man, if you ever lose that copy/paste thing ya got going for yerself, let us know.
:)Turning the tables back on youse.
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#192455 - 09/09/10 08:36 PM
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Yes, Ronda, and I'll keep repeating it every time some ignorant person says this was intended to be a Christian nation, since it's absolute proof that the founders never wanted that. Otherwise this clause wouldd NEVER have been included in the constitution.
If it rankles you, then that's just too damned bad.
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#192459 - 09/09/10 11:10 PM
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Ghoti there are plenty words from the founding fathers proving this nation was run with Judeo Christian love and principles. You just don't want to believe the numerous proofs when you find a skinny root to hang on to to make your point. There is a reason that line was included in the consgitution because they were of several denominations and faiths but most all of them were preachers and preached regularly in the congress during off hours.
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#192464 - 09/10/10 12:05 AM
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It was put into the constitution because the founding fathers had all seen the horrors of mixing religion with politics first hand, and they were determined to make sure it would never happen here. IMO they'd be appalled by people with your attitude.
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#192471 - 09/10/10 10:08 AM
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You just don't want to believe the numerous proofs
name one of your alleged "numerous proofs"?
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#192472 - 09/10/10 10:09 AM
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Paulwa, the constitution specifically says that there shall never be any religious test to hold any office in the US. IMO that's absolute proof that the founders did NOT intend for this to be a Christian nation.
Otherwise, why would they have said that? Plenty of reason....
such as?
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#192523 - 09/11/10 12:30 PM
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If you are blind and lost..there is not much hope..Jesus is your only hope.
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#192524 - 09/11/10 12:31 PM
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If you are blind and lost..there is not much hope..Jesus is your only hope.
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#192525 - 09/11/10 02:29 PM
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He's got nothing... as usual...
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#192529 - 09/11/10 07:05 PM
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What I have is free to anyone and is more precious than anything else. Sorry if I have said anything to disturb you all. If you don't see it no need to talk about it any more. Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow may be all you have left, but the door is still open to all.
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#192542 - 09/12/10 05:36 AM
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The 9/11 attack killed about 3000 of our people in the Twin Towers. They were a cross-section of the US public, and al-Queda was NOT attacking Christianity. They were attacking the United States because they are opposed to our entire way of life here.
Remember they they also tried to also tried to hit the Pentagon with one of the hijacked planes, but that one failed to make a direct hit. If they were aiming their attack solely at Christians, they would have blown up churches and not symbols of our philosophy like the Twin Towers and our military headquarters.
It's a HUGE mistake to think that the Islamic terrorists hate us because of religion. They hate our entire approach to modern life, and it's because their radical view of Islam is based on a more primitive view of life locked into the middle ages. They hate our movies, out TV programs, our music, our financial institutions, our capitalism, our militarism, our modern view of women and gender equality, and all the other ways our lifestyle clashes with theirs.
They want the world to give up all modern ways and return to their primitive lifestyle. They hate ALL people who don't agree with them, not just Christians.
That's who they are really at war with, not the Christian religion.
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#192545 - 09/12/10 03:47 PM
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Absolutely Ghoti, Sharia must reign first.
On an aside if you compared what God said about Jerusalem at the end of the age, how can you say He is not right. Things are going exactly as He said it would. Jerusalem He has made to be a burdensome stone for all nations concerned. Sure looks right to me.
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#192554 - 09/13/10 12:11 AM
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Paulwa, people have been finding Bible quotes that convinced them that Jesus was returning any day now for nearly 2000 years now and their predictions have always been false. Jack Van Impe himself made such a prediction himself many years ago and it was, of course, wrong. I don't know how you can contour to listen to anything he says after that.
You made such a prediction yourself a few years ago that probed wrong - remember? IMO your credibility as a predictor has been proven bogus, too, so I feel very confident in disbelieving you any time now and in the future when you do it again.
You realize, I hope, that I was explaining what the Islamic terrorists believe and not what all Islamic people believe. The vast majority of Muslims, especially those live in the US and most other places outside of a few middle eastern countries, accept and embrace the developments of the modern world. The go to movies, own and enjoy a TV, and have zero interest in living in middle age condition like the small group of extremists do.
Most Islamic people just want to left alone to live their lives in peace, and if we'd stop intervening in their affairs they'd gladly leave us alone.
Edited by ghoti (09/13/10 12:12 AM)
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#192566 - 09/13/10 12:47 PM
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OK. What ever you all want to believe is ok with me and I am very tired of harping on it all. I believe personally that the church of Jesus Christ is removed from all of it before trouble really begins to flow so why should I fuss about it. Hope it all turns out good and safe for you. :-)
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