#192798 - 09/18/10 06:43 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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Paul I
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So how about the various Middle Eastern tribes that perished at the hands of the Jews as they made their way back to the promised land? Was this not after Moses received the Commandments?
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#192828 - 09/19/10 04:14 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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PaulI the bible says God told them to go in and conquer the land from the Caananites and Philistines, both who worshipped idols to false gods. Israel was Gods choice and He favored them over the infidels maurading the country. In many cases God told them to totally eradicate peoples opposed to them and their flocks and animals too. Question God about this if you like. They were not to kill any amongst their tribes. I don't question God's reasoning.
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#192829 - 09/19/10 04:14 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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PaulI the bible says God told them to go in and conquer the land from the Caananites and Philistines, both who worshipped idols to false gods. Israel was Gods choice and He favored them over the infidels maurading the country. In many cases God told them to totally eradicate peoples opposed to them and their flocks and animals too. Question God about this if you like. They were not to kill any amongst their tribes. I don't question God's reasoning.
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#192843 - 09/19/10 07:08 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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Paul I
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Paul I could also create reasons why it's not a contradiction of
"thou shall not kill" but never the less it is.
This, along with worldwide floods and arks, whales with living people inside and gardens with magic apples shows that the Old Testament is a continuing story. Much of it is myths to make a point intermixed with fairly accurate historical events also showing that it was intended to be read as a mixture of real events, symbolism and a collection of different scribes and scholars beliefs rather than an ironclad timeline of total reality. This, in fact, does not change its message.
Edited by Paul I (09/19/10 07:10 PM)
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#192850 - 09/20/10 01:21 AM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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When Jesus was asked which was the greatest commandment, his answer was to love God and to love your neighbor. If we did those two things we would be fulfilling everything we need to do.
He also said that if we showed love to our enemies instead of returning an "eye for an eye" we would change them into friends, since it very hard to hate anyone who is showing us kindness. IMO that was a brilliant insight into human nature. Have we ever really tried that approach with the Islamic people?
Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus ever say that it's OK to kill our enemies. That was all Old Testament stuff that the Jews may still follow, but aren't Christians supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus instead?
Edited by ghoti (09/20/10 01:22 AM)
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#192868 - 09/20/10 06:44 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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This little truth concerning Islam! If the Islamists laid down all their weapons right now, there would be peace in the MidEast. If Israel laid down all its weapons, there would be no more Israel. This is 100 per cent true except for one thing. GOD will not allow Israel to be totally destroyed. He will keep a remnant of Israel safe forever.
You cannot trust Islam wth their weapons!!! America may learn this bitter lesson soon.
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#192869 - 09/20/10 06:44 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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This little truth concerning Islam! If the Islamists laid down all their weapons right now, there would be peace in the MidEast. If Israel laid down all its weapons, there would be no more Israel. This is 100 per cent true except for one thing. GOD will not allow Israel to be totally destroyed. He will keep a remnant of Israel safe forever.
You cannot trust Islam wth their weapons!!! America may learn this bitter lesson soon.
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#192872 - 09/20/10 07:06 PM
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This is 100 per cent true except for one thing. GOD will not allow Israel to be totally destroyed.
So then, what's your problem? The Saudi's have been our biggest customer since 1990. They pay cash.
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#192883 - 09/21/10 12:07 PM
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It is nice to have friends to accept such a high percentage of our monetary growth for oil wells we drilled for them and set up and for them to become enemies at a moments notice. Bad enough that they support our enemies as much as they do. It is so dangerous to make friends wth venomous snakes. At some time they will all strike and bite. Jesus will oneday defang them and we can be true friends and have actual peace. Israel wll welcome them with open arms and share work and wealth with them. Come quickly Lord Jesus!
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#192884 - 09/21/10 12:08 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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It is nice to have friends to accept such a high percentage of our monetary growth for oil wells we drilled for them and set up and for them to become enemies at a moments notice. Bad enough that they support our enemies as much as they do. It is so dangerous to make friends wth venomous snakes. At some time they will all strike and bite. Jesus will oneday defang them and we can be true friends and have actual peace. Israel wll welcome them with open arms and share work and wealth with them. Come quickly Lord Jesus!
Maranatha
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#192889 - 09/21/10 12:56 PM
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Have we ever seriously tried to reach out to them with kindness and compassion instead of bringing violence and war? Jesus told us that was the pathway for changing an enemy into a friend.
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#192961 - 09/22/10 12:27 PM
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Be wary as a serpent and harmless as a dove...now who said that?:-)
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#192968 - 09/22/10 12:50 PM
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ghoti
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You are taking that statement out of context. Jesus said that to his disciples when he was sending them out to spread his message. He was referring to the people (mainly Jewish clergy) who would persecute them for preaching his message, not people in general.
He also said to turn the other cheek, abandon the Old Testament approach of "an eye for an eye", and to show kindness to your enemies and love your neighbors.
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#192975 - 09/22/10 01:17 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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Don't forget to smile as they slit your throat, Ghoti, but you would probably choose to be Muslim rather than that whereas a christian would not deny their saviour and would die. But they would win heaven.
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#192976 - 09/22/10 01:18 PM
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Don't forget to smile as they slit your throat, Ghoti, but you would probably choose to be Muslim rather than that whereas a christian would not deny their saviour and would die. But they would win heaven.
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