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#192590 - 09/13/10 06:34 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1
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Muhhamed hijacked the God of the biible and renamed him allah and wrote a bunch more idiotic laws for Muslims to follow in direct oppositon to the God of the bible. Iif you don't see that then you ared just blind. Compare the god of the bible with the godof Islam and theiir attributes...not the same at all.
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#192591 - 09/13/10 07:00 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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I don't want to frighten you, but Christians who speak Arabic, call our God - Allahu. In fact, the Holy Bibles they read today are printed in Arabic and contain the word Allahu in every instance (the word) God is written.

For example:
"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "
Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created the Heaven and Earth."
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#192592 - 09/13/10 07:03 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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True, Paulwa, but the God of the Old Testament is very violent and cruel and shows very little in the way of compassion. I know you're going to say something like the Old Testament is for the Jews and the New is for Christians, but why then does the Bible used by every Christian denomination include both?

I remember reading both testaments way back in Bible study classes.
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#192600 - 09/13/10 07:28 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Muhhamed hijacked the God of the biible and renamed him allah and wrote a bunch more idiotic laws for Muslims to follow in direct oppositon to the God of the bible.

Okay, even IF Muhammad 'hijacked the God of the Bible' why did Islam claim part of the Bible as religious dogma? Why does Islam acknowledge the same prophets of the Old Testament as the Jews do?

On top of everything else...this is the bottomline: The Muslims who are alive today BELIEVE their God(Allah) is the same God as the Christians & the Jews. By default it makes Allah & God the exact same deity in their minds.
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#192603 - 09/13/10 07:51 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: flicka]
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And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. Quran 41:37
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#192652 - 09/15/10 01:25 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: flicka]
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I have no doubt about their believing allah is the same Goid as is in the bible. They do share the same ancestry so that is why they share some of the same ancestors that appear in the bible. One major wrong is in their treagtment of Jesus. He is not =deity in their view. In the christian view Jesus is God and created eveything which makes Him God...but not in the quran/koran. Their god cannot save them as Jesus who came and died for all who would accept Him. That is the blade that seperates truth from satans lie. He is hard at work today to destroy the gospel of Jesus Christ because he knows his time is short before he faces his judgement. I think he was at work in having Sarah suggest Abraham take Hagar to wife for a child as she was barren and did not believe God when He told them she would have a child who would receive the blessing. Abraham wanted Ishnmael to receive the blessing but God said no..it would be Isaac who would receive the blessing and that Ishmael would father a great nation but they would be wild donkeys and angry savage peoples. Looks as if God pegged it perfectly.
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#192654 - 09/15/10 01:46 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
One major wrong is in their treagtment of Jesus.

Of course that is the Christian view. Muslims & Jews don't consider him the son of God.
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Looks as if God pegged it perfectly.

Pegged it? I'd say He caused it.
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#192697 - 09/16/10 04:57 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: flicka]
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Abraham by sin and free will caused it, Flicka.
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#192714 - 09/16/10 07:27 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Plus, Isaac lied & deceived, and God rewarded it.
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#192732 - 09/17/10 09:44 AM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Abraham did love Ishmael greatly and it caused him great mental anguish and pain I think the rest of his life.

Glad my dad didn't love me that much.

Deception ran in the family. Look what Jacob did to Esau. Guess there are times we are commanded to deceive?


wow, if they were an actual 21st century family you would expect to see them on the dr. phil show.
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#192742 - 09/17/10 04:16 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen [Re: starlight.2]
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God allows the flow to where He wants it to go..without interfering Himself.
God knows and does best!
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#192749 - 09/17/10 07:59 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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One can not allow and not interfere at the same time.
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#192760 - 09/18/10 06:21 AM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen [Re: shakey56]
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paul, if god asked you to slaughter everyone you love and the dog, would you do it?
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#192764 - 09/18/10 08:45 AM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen [Re: kan5a5]
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Anyone who claims to know the mind and will of God is potentially a very dangerous and probably unstable person IMO. My understanding is that Jesus told us to be kind to each other, even our enemies, and that he would take care of smiting all the evil folks later.

Why do so many Christians ignore that and think they're supposed to do the smiting themselves?


Edited by ghoti (09/18/10 08:48 AM)
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#192776 - 09/18/10 01:48 PM Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen [Re: ghoti]
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No! God's commandments are Thou shalt not kill!" Judgement is the Lords. All Judgement is best left to the creator of all. The act of Abraham offering up Isaac was before God gave His laws and commandments to mankinbd.
God gave us His word in the bible to know His will and mind on matters..to go beyond this is very dangerous. Judgement is God's only.
God allows without direct interference unless He desires to step in. All things work together for good to those who love God.
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