#192262 - 09/04/10 03:40 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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shakey56
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What we see as terrorism they see as a military action. Military actions in the last year might be more in our court. Right now, radical muslims are a small percentage that has very little military power. The upside being they are not a widespread threat and can't stand up to our military. The downside being they strike for maximum impact, usually civilian targets, to create fear.
When we treat all muslims like the radicals we play into the hands of the radicals creating more likely converts for them.
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#192385 - 09/08/10 11:04 AM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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starlight.2
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All I'm saying is that if one tallied all the acts of terrorism in the last 12 months I'm guessing there is more done by Muslims than any other group. This is not a value judgment of a religion; just an observation.
When one is reared intensely in a religion I maintain it is difficult to tell where character begins and religion ends. Are you saying that if Islamic extremists were not reared in such a way they would be violent anyway?
i'm saying if they weren't raised in an extremist ideology of ANY sort - religious, political, etc. - they would be less likely to be violent. the nature of the extremist ideology being secondary.
christian fanatics have murdered abortion doctors, torched or bombed clinics in the US and other countries, (for a full listing of statistics see here). the canadian press has labeled these acts as "single issue terrorism" or "sub-revolutionary terrorism".
in the 1980-90s the irish republican army committed many terrorist acts in ireland and the UK. obviously their being catholic did not deter them from violence.
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#192530 - 09/11/10 07:30 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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Paulwa_dup1
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Public doubt will be the public's undoing, Karen, I hope it doesn't affect you or all our friends here but if Islam has its way you will convert to Islam or suffer the consequences! That is just the way it is. God told Abraham that Ishmael and his progenny would be like wild donkeys and would be wild men. Just a fallout of Abrahams sin of not waiting on God to give him Isaac whom God had pronmised to be Gods blessed race of people. I don't blame the Arabs for feeling cutout of receiving Gods blessing..but God chose Isaac to carry His people forward. God did say Ishmael would become a great race of people as the sands of the sea. We all suffer for Abraham's sin for following Sahrah's advice and taking Hagar to wife. Abraham did love Ishmael greatly and it caused him great mental anguish and pain I think the rest of his life.
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#192533 - 09/11/10 07:51 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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#192534 - 09/11/10 08:11 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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flicka
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Abraham did love Ishmael greatly and it caused him great mental anguish and pain I think the rest of his life.
Glad my dad didn't love me that much.
Deception ran in the family. Look what Jacob did to Esau. Guess there are times we are commanded to deceive?
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#192546 - 09/12/10 03:54 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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Paulwa_dup1
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God chose Jacob over Esau. It was His call and choice.
You are hilarious Steve! LOL and Blah, blAH and so on.
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#192553 - 09/12/10 08:38 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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flicka
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I imagine Esau marrying into Ishmael's tribe didn't help strengthen the love between the families much.
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#192567 - 09/13/10 01:08 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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It will end one of these days soon and peace will be restored between these two families. But till then..fighting will continue because of the false religion Islam. Allah is a false god and is not the God of the christian and Jewish bible. This will be fought over till God steps in and settles it once and for all. This will happen when Islam and allah wages final war against Israel and is totally destroyed. God is with Israel as He always has been though He did allow Israel to be punished for infidelity and worshipping false gods in the past. He has caused the valley of dry bones (Israel) to be enlivened and restored to life. Israel was made a nation in 1948 after centuries of being demolished as a people.He told them it would happen long before they did it. It is all in the bible for all to see who will look. 7 year peace pact is next, but the church will be gone.
Paul
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#192572 - 09/13/10 01:27 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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flicka
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Allah is a false god and is not the God of the christian and Jewish bible.
Yet even you trace Islamic roots back to Ishmael. Why?
This will happen when Islam and allah wages final war against Israel and is totally destroyed.
If Allah is a fase god, how is he able to wage war?
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#192574 - 09/13/10 01:54 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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ævory
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Islam is a knife at the throat and it is only a question of when it will be used. You are nutso. The terrorists are the enemy, not Islam. You live in fear, not in reality. 
But when it does (if ever) come right down to it, I believe more the way of Paulwa than anyone on this board for religion. The reason I say this (of course there are things I disagree with) is because you can be an Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Christian, or anything else you want....but if Islam did as Paul forsees...we would ALL be putting our faith or our 'at- the- core- of- our- being' sensibilities on the line BEFORE that of the Constitution, or before Anything else that would drive us to fight/kill another (Islam).
I know that I do not know whether many things are true or not...like, that the angel Gabriel came to Mohammad and told/taught him that it was alright to lie, cheat, steal, and DECEIVE in the name of religion. There is no person or religious group on earth that this makes sense to accept of. You aren't suppose to harm another...but LIKE Paulwa says, there IS a time for the sword and I'd be right there with him fighting FOR my love of God. My God, my God. Then I've heard other stories too I'm not sure of...just like of my own bible. But...
you don't defend a religion that thinks that way and That is part of the reason that it Is a false religion...they do/have replaced God with another name. They will replace their own names with another to become muslim....
What can you possibly say to this. It is wrong. So much wrong with it.
I have more than one family in my building of muslims. They come and go with all their relatives/friends...sometimes it is quite loud with the bustle...I'm not afraid. I love All my neighbors and I've said to many that we are one family here. The ones I do know better than the other family of muslims are by far more to my liking than some who live here that are Not muslims. I gave ...a gift of toy train for a little boy, before our Christmas so it didn't offend them. The kid is someone we all love here. BUT, I don't completely trust them. They are taught things I've never been taught. To deceive? in the name of religion? So.....and why would I Ever think that they should trust Me? I don't .....all I know is that they are part of me now and I'd do anything for them...except lie down and die for them or convert, cus.... Jesus died for us ALL. Don't change God's name.
And for anyone arguing with paulwa...you point your fingers and you namecall and you label him and it's wrong. So stupid...point out what and where he's wrong, not a personal slam. On many of his posts you can read (can't you?) that he has emphasized...made emphatic...the 'fundie' Islamists are really the ones to watch. I gotta ask you, in your arguments ..your defense, do You realize that you defend fundies? You pick and choose your fundies. You all harp on him as a crazy Christian fundie, and have for ages. But you nonetheless argue For Islam fundies. Yer not logical to my thinking. But then, so I've been told: that ain't nothing for Youse to worry about...in fact, it is a relief, huh?
I'm done. I just think this all is a waste of argument. When your life is on the line...I don't think it's ever going to happen but being watchful, being somewhat fearful is not a bad thing.
Then again, I saw this preacher on tv last weekend preaching on how the idea of being 'a little bit fearful' never hurt anyone. And he says WRONG thinking. I say: liberals...yes, liberals are almost always pulling out the same cards for defense. One of which is to say that another is FEARFUL. Cant' have That. Weird...the way that liberals act on this board is no different than how they act and what they say on anywhere else on the net. But in life Outdoors...no, I don't hear this crap. and it is....crap.
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#192575 - 09/13/10 01:56 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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ævory
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You could also argue that one who puts their life on the line for their religion is putting their life on the line for the Constitution.
whatever
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#192585 - 09/13/10 05:02 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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flicka
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Allah is a false god and is not the God of the christian and Jewish bible.
Yet even you trace Islamic roots back to Ishmael. Why?
This will happen when Islam and allah wages final war against Israel and is totally destroyed.
If Allah is a fase god, how is he able to wage war?
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#192587 - 09/13/10 05:26 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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Paulwa_dup1
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Flicka your questions are rediculous and don't deserve an answer.
Paul
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#192589 - 09/13/10 06:01 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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flicka
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Flicka your questions are rediculous and don't deserve an answer.
Paul
Nice try. What makes you think that the tribes of Ishmael & Esau would suddenly stop believing in God (Allah in Arabic)? In fact, you even acknowledge the relationship here:
I don't blame the Arabs for feeling cutout of receiving Gods blessing..but God chose Isaac to carry His people forward. God did say Ishmael would become a great race of people as the sands of the sea.
So, we are talking about the foundation of Islam, correct? The God of the Muslims is the exact same God as that of Jews & Christians. How can you say any different?
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