#192182 - 09/03/10 11:07 AM
Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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starlight.2
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despite what paulwa thinks.
Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
August 24, 2010 Americans doubt that Islam is likelier than other faiths to encourage violence, but their overall view of the religion has worsened over the past five years, a poll said Tuesday.
In a survey that underlined the complex views people have about Muslims, 51 percent agreed that a Muslim center should not be built near the former site of New York's World Trade Center, compared to 34 percent who said it should be permitted.
Yet at the same time, a majority — 62 percent — said Muslims should have equal rights to build houses of worship. Just 25 percent said communities should be allowed to block the construction of mosques. The poll was conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.
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#192194 - 09/03/10 01:26 PM
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Islam is a knife at the throat and it is only a question of when it will be used.
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#192195 - 09/03/10 01:34 PM
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Islam is a knife at the throat and it is only a question of when it will be used.
You are nutso. The terrorists are the enemy, not Islam.
You live in fear, not in reality.
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#192204 - 09/03/10 03:18 PM
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We all know Paul seldom thinks and often jerks a knee reacting.
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#192207 - 09/03/10 04:44 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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What are terrorists if not Islam?
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#192210 - 09/03/10 04:56 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violence
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They are an offshoot of Islam, but they are not representative of the majority. I would imagine the majority is embarrassed by terrorist much like the majority of Christians are embarrassed by extremists claiming to be Christian. You know, ppl like you
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#192211 - 09/03/10 05:11 PM
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So how do you tell which is which quickly? I'd rather face a christian of any type in a dark alley as a Muslim Islamist. Paul
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#192213 - 09/03/10 05:16 PM
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Stay out of dark alleys. Finding terrorists isn't your job. We all are more comfortable with the known than the unknown.
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#192215 - 09/03/10 05:51 PM
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I'd rather face a christian of any type in a dark alley as a Muslim Islamist.
If I based such an encounter on my personal experiences, I'd definantly rather face a muslim than any christian, hands down... I've personally suffered more bigotry, hatred, and abuse from christians than any other group I've ever encountered combined, but that's only because I've dealt with more christians (vast majority here) than muslims (just a handful)...
But, I've always believed it's more important and tried to look beyond one's religion and more into their character...
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#192236 - 09/03/10 11:56 PM
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How can anyone, in 2010 NOT believe that "Islam is likelier than other faiths to encourage violence"? This question does not ask if a larger % of Muslims is more likely to... It has no mathematical dimension.
Character is frequently a partial product of religion.
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#192242 - 09/04/10 10:28 AM
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starlight.2
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How can anyone, in 2010 NOT believe that Character is frequently a partial product of religion.
and character often has nothing to do with religion. people just use religion to rationalize the actions they would already be inclined to commit anyway, be it feeding the poor or blowing up buildings.
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#192246 - 09/04/10 11:23 AM
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ævory
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How can anyone, in 2010 NOT believe that Character is frequently a partial product of religion.
and character often has nothing to do with religion. people just use religion to rationalize the actions they would already be inclined to commit anyway, be it feeding the poor or blowing up buildings. nice try, no cigar...when it comes to blowing up our buildings WHY IN GOD'S NAME GIVE THEM YOUR 'OUT'?!!
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#192248 - 09/04/10 12:16 PM
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nice try, no cigar...when it comes to blowing up our buildings WHY IN GOD'S NAME GIVE THEM YOUR 'OUT'?!!
Like Tim McVeigh?...
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#192260 - 09/04/10 02:50 PM
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All I'm saying is that if one tallied all the acts of terrorism in the last 12 months I'm guessing there is more done by Muslims than any other group. This is not a value judgment of a religion; just an observation.
When one is reared intensely in a religion I maintain it is difficult to tell where character begins and religion ends. Are you saying that if Islamic extremists were not reared in such a way they would be violent anyway?
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#192261 - 09/04/10 02:53 PM
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ævory
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I completely get you, paul I, and agree w/ you on this.
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#192262 - 09/04/10 03:40 PM
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What we see as terrorism they see as a military action. Military actions in the last year might be more in our court. Right now, radical muslims are a small percentage that has very little military power. The upside being they are not a widespread threat and can't stand up to our military. The downside being they strike for maximum impact, usually civilian targets, to create fear.
When we treat all muslims like the radicals we play into the hands of the radicals creating more likely converts for them.
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#192385 - 09/08/10 11:04 AM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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All I'm saying is that if one tallied all the acts of terrorism in the last 12 months I'm guessing there is more done by Muslims than any other group. This is not a value judgment of a religion; just an observation.
When one is reared intensely in a religion I maintain it is difficult to tell where character begins and religion ends. Are you saying that if Islamic extremists were not reared in such a way they would be violent anyway?
i'm saying if they weren't raised in an extremist ideology of ANY sort - religious, political, etc. - they would be less likely to be violent. the nature of the extremist ideology being secondary.
christian fanatics have murdered abortion doctors, torched or bombed clinics in the US and other countries, (for a full listing of statistics see here). the canadian press has labeled these acts as "single issue terrorism" or "sub-revolutionary terrorism".
in the 1980-90s the irish republican army committed many terrorist acts in ireland and the UK. obviously their being catholic did not deter them from violence.
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#192530 - 09/11/10 07:30 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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Public doubt will be the public's undoing, Karen, I hope it doesn't affect you or all our friends here but if Islam has its way you will convert to Islam or suffer the consequences! That is just the way it is. God told Abraham that Ishmael and his progenny would be like wild donkeys and would be wild men. Just a fallout of Abrahams sin of not waiting on God to give him Isaac whom God had pronmised to be Gods blessed race of people. I don't blame the Arabs for feeling cutout of receiving Gods blessing..but God chose Isaac to carry His people forward. God did say Ishmael would become a great race of people as the sands of the sea. We all suffer for Abraham's sin for following Sahrah's advice and taking Hagar to wife. Abraham did love Ishmael greatly and it caused him great mental anguish and pain I think the rest of his life. Paul
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#192533 - 09/11/10 07:51 PM
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#192534 - 09/11/10 08:11 PM
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Abraham did love Ishmael greatly and it caused him great mental anguish and pain I think the rest of his life. Glad my dad didn't love me that much.
Deception ran in the family. Look what Jacob did to Esau. Guess there are times we are commanded to deceive?
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#192546 - 09/12/10 03:54 PM
Re: Poll: Public Doubts Islam More Prone To Violen
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God chose Jacob over Esau. It was His call and choice.
You are hilarious Steve! LOL and Blah, blAH and so on. Paul
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#192553 - 09/12/10 08:38 PM
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I imagine Esau marrying into Ishmael's tribe didn't help strengthen the love between the families much.
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#192567 - 09/13/10 01:08 PM
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It will end one of these days soon and peace will be restored between these two families. But till then..fighting will continue because of the false religion Islam. Allah is a false god and is not the God of the christian and Jewish bible. This will be fought over till God steps in and settles it once and for all. This will happen when Islam and allah wages final war against Israel and is totally destroyed. God is with Israel as He always has been though He did allow Israel to be punished for infidelity and worshipping false gods in the past. He has caused the valley of dry bones (Israel) to be enlivened and restored to life. Israel was made a nation in 1948 after centuries of being demolished as a people.He told them it would happen long before they did it. It is all in the bible for all to see who will look. 7 year peace pact is next, but the church will be gone. Paul
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#192572 - 09/13/10 01:27 PM
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Allah is a false god and is not the God of the christian and Jewish bible. Yet even you trace Islamic roots back to Ishmael. Why?
This will happen when Islam and allah wages final war against Israel and is totally destroyed. If Allah is a fase god, how is he able to wage war?
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#192574 - 09/13/10 01:54 PM
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ævory
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Islam is a knife at the throat and it is only a question of when it will be used. You are nutso. The terrorists are the enemy, not Islam. You live in fear, not in reality.
But when it does (if ever) come right down to it, I believe more the way of Paulwa than anyone on this board for religion. The reason I say this (of course there are things I disagree with) is because you can be an Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Christian, or anything else you want....but if Islam did as Paul forsees...we would ALL be putting our faith or our 'at- the- core- of- our- being' sensibilities on the line BEFORE that of the Constitution, or before Anything else that would drive us to fight/kill another (Islam).
I know that I do not know whether many things are true or not...like, that the angel Gabriel came to Mohammad and told/taught him that it was alright to lie, cheat, steal, and DECEIVE in the name of religion. There is no person or religious group on earth that this makes sense to accept of. You aren't suppose to harm another...but LIKE Paulwa says, there IS a time for the sword and I'd be right there with him fighting FOR my love of God. My God, my God. Then I've heard other stories too I'm not sure of...just like of my own bible. But...
you don't defend a religion that thinks that way and That is part of the reason that it Is a false religion...they do/have replaced God with another name. They will replace their own names with another to become muslim....
What can you possibly say to this. It is wrong. So much wrong with it.
I have more than one family in my building of muslims. They come and go with all their relatives/friends...sometimes it is quite loud with the bustle...I'm not afraid. I love All my neighbors and I've said to many that we are one family here. The ones I do know better than the other family of muslims are by far more to my liking than some who live here that are Not muslims. I gave ...a gift of toy train for a little boy, before our Christmas so it didn't offend them. The kid is someone we all love here. BUT, I don't completely trust them. They are taught things I've never been taught. To deceive? in the name of religion? So.....and why would I Ever think that they should trust Me? I don't .....all I know is that they are part of me now and I'd do anything for them...except lie down and die for them or convert, cus.... Jesus died for us ALL. Don't change God's name.
And for anyone arguing with paulwa...you point your fingers and you namecall and you label him and it's wrong. So stupid...point out what and where he's wrong, not a personal slam. On many of his posts you can read (can't you?) that he has emphasized...made emphatic...the 'fundie' Islamists are really the ones to watch. I gotta ask you, in your arguments ..your defense, do You realize that you defend fundies? You pick and choose your fundies. You all harp on him as a crazy Christian fundie, and have for ages. But you nonetheless argue For Islam fundies. Yer not logical to my thinking. But then, so I've been told: that ain't nothing for Youse to worry about...in fact, it is a relief, huh?
I'm done. I just think this all is a waste of argument. When your life is on the line...I don't think it's ever going to happen but being watchful, being somewhat fearful is not a bad thing.
Then again, I saw this preacher on tv last weekend preaching on how the idea of being 'a little bit fearful' never hurt anyone. And he says WRONG thinking. I say: liberals...yes, liberals are almost always pulling out the same cards for defense. One of which is to say that another is FEARFUL. Cant' have That. Weird...the way that liberals act on this board is no different than how they act and what they say on anywhere else on the net. But in life Outdoors...no, I don't hear this crap. and it is....crap.
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#192575 - 09/13/10 01:56 PM
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ævory
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You could also argue that one who puts their life on the line for their religion is putting their life on the line for the Constitution.
whatever
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#192585 - 09/13/10 05:02 PM
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Allah is a false god and is not the God of the christian and Jewish bible. Yet even you trace Islamic roots back to Ishmael. Why?
This will happen when Islam and allah wages final war against Israel and is totally destroyed. If Allah is a fase god, how is he able to wage war?
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#192587 - 09/13/10 05:26 PM
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Flicka your questions are rediculous and don't deserve an answer. Paul
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#192589 - 09/13/10 06:01 PM
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Flicka your questions are rediculous and don't deserve an answer. Paul Nice try. What makes you think that the tribes of Ishmael & Esau would suddenly stop believing in God (Allah in Arabic)? In fact, you even acknowledge the relationship here:
I don't blame the Arabs for feeling cutout of receiving Gods blessing..but God chose Isaac to carry His people forward. God did say Ishmael would become a great race of people as the sands of the sea. So, we are talking about the foundation of Islam, correct? The God of the Muslims is the exact same God as that of Jews & Christians. How can you say any different?
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#192590 - 09/13/10 06:34 PM
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Muhhamed hijacked the God of the biible and renamed him allah and wrote a bunch more idiotic laws for Muslims to follow in direct oppositon to the God of the bible. Iif you don't see that then you ared just blind. Compare the god of the bible with the godof Islam and theiir attributes...not the same at all. Paul
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#192591 - 09/13/10 07:00 PM
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I don't want to frighten you, but Christians who speak Arabic, call our God - Allahu. In fact, the Holy Bibles they read today are printed in Arabic and contain the word Allahu in every instance (the word) God is written.
For example: "Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . " Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the Heaven and Earth."
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#192592 - 09/13/10 07:03 PM
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True, Paulwa, but the God of the Old Testament is very violent and cruel and shows very little in the way of compassion. I know you're going to say something like the Old Testament is for the Jews and the New is for Christians, but why then does the Bible used by every Christian denomination include both?
I remember reading both testaments way back in Bible study classes.
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#192600 - 09/13/10 07:28 PM
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Muhhamed hijacked the God of the biible and renamed him allah and wrote a bunch more idiotic laws for Muslims to follow in direct oppositon to the God of the bible. Okay, even IF Muhammad 'hijacked the God of the Bible' why did Islam claim part of the Bible as religious dogma? Why does Islam acknowledge the same prophets of the Old Testament as the Jews do?
On top of everything else...this is the bottomline: The Muslims who are alive today BELIEVE their God(Allah) is the same God as the Christians & the Jews. By default it makes Allah & God the exact same deity in their minds.
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#192603 - 09/13/10 07:51 PM
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And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. Quran 41:37
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#192652 - 09/15/10 01:25 PM
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I have no doubt about their believing allah is the same Goid as is in the bible. They do share the same ancestry so that is why they share some of the same ancestors that appear in the bible. One major wrong is in their treagtment of Jesus. He is not =deity in their view. In the christian view Jesus is God and created eveything which makes Him God...but not in the quran/koran. Their god cannot save them as Jesus who came and died for all who would accept Him. That is the blade that seperates truth from satans lie. He is hard at work today to destroy the gospel of Jesus Christ because he knows his time is short before he faces his judgement. I think he was at work in having Sarah suggest Abraham take Hagar to wife for a child as she was barren and did not believe God when He told them she would have a child who would receive the blessing. Abraham wanted Ishnmael to receive the blessing but God said no..it would be Isaac who would receive the blessing and that Ishmael would father a great nation but they would be wild donkeys and angry savage peoples. Looks as if God pegged it perfectly. Paul
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#192654 - 09/15/10 01:46 PM
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One major wrong is in their treagtment of Jesus. Of course that is the Christian view. Muslims & Jews don't consider him the son of God.
Looks as if God pegged it perfectly. Pegged it? I'd say He caused it.
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Abraham by sin and free will caused it, Flicka.
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Plus, Isaac lied & deceived, and God rewarded it.
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Abraham did love Ishmael greatly and it caused him great mental anguish and pain I think the rest of his life. Glad my dad didn't love me that much. Deception ran in the family. Look what Jacob did to Esau. Guess there are times we are commanded to deceive?
wow, if they were an actual 21st century family you would expect to see them on the dr. phil show.
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God allows the flow to where He wants it to go..without interfering Himself. God knows and does best! Paul
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One can not allow and not interfere at the same time.
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paul, if god asked you to slaughter everyone you love and the dog, would you do it?
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Anyone who claims to know the mind and will of God is potentially a very dangerous and probably unstable person IMO. My understanding is that Jesus told us to be kind to each other, even our enemies, and that he would take care of smiting all the evil folks later.
Why do so many Christians ignore that and think they're supposed to do the smiting themselves?
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#192776 - 09/18/10 01:48 PM
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No! God's commandments are Thou shalt not kill!" Judgement is the Lords. All Judgement is best left to the creator of all. The act of Abraham offering up Isaac was before God gave His laws and commandments to mankinbd. God gave us His word in the bible to know His will and mind on matters..to go beyond this is very dangerous. Judgement is God's only. God allows without direct interference unless He desires to step in. All things work together for good to those who love God. Paul
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#192798 - 09/18/10 06:43 PM
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So how about the various Middle Eastern tribes that perished at the hands of the Jews as they made their way back to the promised land? Was this not after Moses received the Commandments?
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#192828 - 09/19/10 04:14 PM
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PaulI the bible says God told them to go in and conquer the land from the Caananites and Philistines, both who worshipped idols to false gods. Israel was Gods choice and He favored them over the infidels maurading the country. In many cases God told them to totally eradicate peoples opposed to them and their flocks and animals too. Question God about this if you like. They were not to kill any amongst their tribes. I don't question God's reasoning. Paul
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#192829 - 09/19/10 04:14 PM
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PaulI the bible says God told them to go in and conquer the land from the Caananites and Philistines, both who worshipped idols to false gods. Israel was Gods choice and He favored them over the infidels maurading the country. In many cases God told them to totally eradicate peoples opposed to them and their flocks and animals too. Question God about this if you like. They were not to kill any amongst their tribes. I don't question God's reasoning. Paul
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#192843 - 09/19/10 07:08 PM
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Paul I could also create reasons why it's not a contradiction of "thou shall not kill" but never the less it is.
This, along with worldwide floods and arks, whales with living people inside and gardens with magic apples shows that the Old Testament is a continuing story. Much of it is myths to make a point intermixed with fairly accurate historical events also showing that it was intended to be read as a mixture of real events, symbolism and a collection of different scribes and scholars beliefs rather than an ironclad timeline of total reality. This, in fact, does not change its message.
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When Jesus was asked which was the greatest commandment, his answer was to love God and to love your neighbor. If we did those two things we would be fulfilling everything we need to do.
He also said that if we showed love to our enemies instead of returning an "eye for an eye" we would change them into friends, since it very hard to hate anyone who is showing us kindness. IMO that was a brilliant insight into human nature. Have we ever really tried that approach with the Islamic people?
Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus ever say that it's OK to kill our enemies. That was all Old Testament stuff that the Jews may still follow, but aren't Christians supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus instead?
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#192868 - 09/20/10 06:44 PM
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This little truth concerning Islam! If the Islamists laid down all their weapons right now, there would be peace in the MidEast. If Israel laid down all its weapons, there would be no more Israel. This is 100 per cent true except for one thing. GOD will not allow Israel to be totally destroyed. He will keep a remnant of Israel safe forever. You cannot trust Islam wth their weapons!!! America may learn this bitter lesson soon. Paul
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#192869 - 09/20/10 06:44 PM
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This little truth concerning Islam! If the Islamists laid down all their weapons right now, there would be peace in the MidEast. If Israel laid down all its weapons, there would be no more Israel. This is 100 per cent true except for one thing. GOD will not allow Israel to be totally destroyed. He will keep a remnant of Israel safe forever. You cannot trust Islam wth their weapons!!! America may learn this bitter lesson soon. Paul
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#192872 - 09/20/10 07:06 PM
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This is 100 per cent true except for one thing. GOD will not allow Israel to be totally destroyed. So then, what's your problem? The Saudi's have been our biggest customer since 1990. They pay cash.
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#192883 - 09/21/10 12:07 PM
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It is nice to have friends to accept such a high percentage of our monetary growth for oil wells we drilled for them and set up and for them to become enemies at a moments notice. Bad enough that they support our enemies as much as they do. It is so dangerous to make friends wth venomous snakes. At some time they will all strike and bite. Jesus will oneday defang them and we can be true friends and have actual peace. Israel wll welcome them with open arms and share work and wealth with them. Come quickly Lord Jesus! Maranatha Paul
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#192884 - 09/21/10 12:08 PM
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It is nice to have friends to accept such a high percentage of our monetary growth for oil wells we drilled for them and set up and for them to become enemies at a moments notice. Bad enough that they support our enemies as much as they do. It is so dangerous to make friends wth venomous snakes. At some time they will all strike and bite. Jesus will oneday defang them and we can be true friends and have actual peace. Israel wll welcome them with open arms and share work and wealth with them. Come quickly Lord Jesus! Maranatha Paul
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#192889 - 09/21/10 12:56 PM
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Have we ever seriously tried to reach out to them with kindness and compassion instead of bringing violence and war? Jesus told us that was the pathway for changing an enemy into a friend.
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#192961 - 09/22/10 12:27 PM
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Be wary as a serpent and harmless as a dove...now who said that?:-)
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#192968 - 09/22/10 12:50 PM
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You are taking that statement out of context. Jesus said that to his disciples when he was sending them out to spread his message. He was referring to the people (mainly Jewish clergy) who would persecute them for preaching his message, not people in general.
He also said to turn the other cheek, abandon the Old Testament approach of "an eye for an eye", and to show kindness to your enemies and love your neighbors.
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#192975 - 09/22/10 01:17 PM
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Don't forget to smile as they slit your throat, Ghoti, but you would probably choose to be Muslim rather than that whereas a christian would not deny their saviour and would die. But they would win heaven.
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#192976 - 09/22/10 01:18 PM
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Don't forget to smile as they slit your throat, Ghoti, but you would probably choose to be Muslim rather than that whereas a christian would not deny their saviour and would die. But they would win heaven.
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#192977 - 09/22/10 01:18 PM
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Don't forget to smile as they slit your throat, Ghoti, but you would probably choose to be Muslim rather than that whereas a christian would not deny their saviour and would die. But they would win heaven.
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#193023 - 09/23/10 08:40 AM
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paul, my s/o's father is muslim, and he's about the LEAST violent person i know.
how many muslims do you know, personally?
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I have none as personal friends. That is that I know of, but I have donated money to Christian Muslims in Russia. I have followed many testimonies of Muslims on TV. You are right there are large numbers of Muslims who are peaceful people and would never harm anyone, but I don't think they are very strong Islamist disciples of Mohammed and the Koran but are like many christians who are weak and do not follow Jesus very much. It is the strong followers of the Koran who are very dangerous to those of other beliefs or even those with no beliefs like Atheists and Agnostics. It is these who cause all the troubles in our world. Paul
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I have none as personal friends. That is that I know of, but I have donated money to Christian Muslims in Russia. WTH is a Christian Muslim?
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#193053 - 09/23/10 07:59 PM
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Paulwa, as long as someone is loyal to our constitution, I don't give two damns for what religion they are. The mere fact that you disagree with that is proof that YOU are the one who is being anti-American.
Go read article 6 and the first amendments again, please. You are extremely off base thinking the US is or ever was a nation designed solely for Christians.
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A6.html
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am1.html
ETA: I wish we could throw all the radical Muslims in the world and all the Christian extremists in a big cage and let you all kill each other in the name of your damned Gods. Maybe there would be none of you left on either side, and then the rest of us could just finally live in peace.
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#193054 - 09/23/10 08:55 PM
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You are more likely to have your throat cut by an Islamist than ever a Christian, Ghoti. Christians as a rule will fight only if their home and family is threatened and many wouldn't, even then. Paul
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#193055 - 09/23/10 08:59 PM
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Many Muslims have turned to Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, Flicka. It is happening all around the world these days, big time! Maybe that is why all the Islamist animosity towards Zionist Christians. Paul
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#193060 - 09/23/10 10:18 PM
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Many Muslims have turned to Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, Flicka. Sorry Paul, if people who practice the Muslim religion convert to Christianity, they are Christians...not Muslim Christians.
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#193075 - 09/24/10 11:32 AM
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Semantics Flicka, just like Jewish Christians, African Americans, et al; Paul
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Nope. Jewish Christians refer to Christians who have a Jewish heritage, culture or ancestry. Muslims do not have such a heritage and are not considered Muslim because of ancestry. You cannot be Muslim and Christian at the same time.
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You cannot be Muslim and Christian at the same time.
nope, the muslim side would have to kill the infidel side. sorry, couldnt resist lol
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But you can be called that if you are a christian converted from the Muslim faith. Christians call them that all the time, Flicka. But I don't need to argue at some one bent on 1 upmanship. ;-) Paul
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But you can be called that if you are a christian converted from the Muslim faith. Christians call them that all the time, Flicka. No they don't. They might say, "I am an atheist, turned Christian", or something to that affect, but no one will ever say, "I am an atheist Christian."
But I don't need to argue at some one bent on 1 upmanship. ;-) So then why are you so uptight about the possibility that some Muslims may see the GZ community center as a one-upping of America? It means nothing.
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There are some christian (weak christians) who have turned atheist and rejected God. The Cordova Mosque just pisses me off royally, Flicka! Paul
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There are some christian (weak christians) who have turned atheist and rejected God. Do you call them Christian atheists? Of course not.
The Cordova Mosque just pisses me off royally, Flicka! I realize that. But that doesn't mean there is any sinister plot behind it.
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The Cordova Mosque just pisses me off royally Get over it. 
It is my prayer it will be built. If they don't build it now, the extremists (you and the terrorists) will win.
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From what I kow it is a sinister plot to take over America and time is the only factor. Building the Mosque just shortens that time. Maybe it nis meant to happen, maybe not but I will fight it happening. The finality is that Islam destroys nations and just sucks them up into sharia law. I despise that. Paul
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The finality is that Islam destroys nations and just sucks them up into sharia law. I despise that. In what nations has that happened?
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#193129 - 09/25/10 06:15 PM
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Spain was one for sure but have since shook off this Arab cancer somewhat. They are in progress to overtake France, Britain, parts of Africa, and various other places in the world. The only ones to show them the boot and the door isAustralia. Wish we were as strong morally as Australia. Cancer is spreading across the world and it is Arab based Muslim Islam Radical and otherwise, Sad there are millions of peaceful Arab Muslims in this world who will be caught up in their blood and gore as they go about crucifying people of other faiths! Paul
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Spain was one for sure but have since shook off this Arab cancer somewhat. They are in progress to overtake France, Britain, parts of Africa, and various other places in the world. In other words, so far no nations have been destroyed, or sucked into sharia law by Islam. Correct?
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Spain was for a period of time but finally conquered the Muslims again. But it is not for their lack of trying. They will continue trying to take over the world and turning them to sharia law and Islam, to the last man standing. Argue against that for as long as you like Flicka but it is still true. Paul
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#193135 - 09/25/10 06:49 PM
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Argue against that for as long as you like Flicka but it is still true. Let me know when it happens.
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#193142 - 09/25/10 08:47 PM
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Greg
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odd, Muslims spreading their faith is a cancer, when Christains do it they call it salvation?
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#193153 - 09/26/10 02:24 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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You got that right Greg. You get a grade of A on that. Paul
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#193154 - 09/26/10 02:25 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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I'll let Jesus explain it to you Flicka. He will be here soon. Paul
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#193160 - 09/26/10 04:36 PM
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flicka
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I'll wait.
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#193162 - 09/26/10 05:36 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Great! :-)
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#193528 - 10/03/10 09:55 AM
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ronniechoate34
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The public is blind.
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