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#191908 - 08/29/10 02:46 PM Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians
starlight.2
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(CNN) -- If you're the parent of a Christian teenager, Kenda Creasy Dean has this warning:

Your child is following a "mutant" form of Christianity, and you may be responsible.

Dean says more American teenagers are embracing what she calls "moralistic therapeutic deism." Translation: It's a watered-down faith that portrays God as a "divine therapist" whose chief goal is to boost people's self-esteem.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/27/almost.christian/index.html?hpt=T2
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#191910 - 08/29/10 03:15 PM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: starlight.2]
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You need to read the whole article. What you quote is only a tiny view of the whole. The article shows a positive light on teen christianity.
Paul

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#191919 - 08/30/10 07:06 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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The young people I talk to seem to mostly reject tradditional Christianity. I would agree that various forms of Deism are quite popular, including Wicca and various other forms of mainly Pagan beliefs.

Also, the ones who have been most intensely indoctrinated into Christianity seem to reject it far more strongly than others. IMO spirituality is something you have to develop personally, and attempts to force it on others generally fail miserably.

Doesn't say much for the effectiveness of aggressive evangelism as a means of getting converts.
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#191920 - 08/30/10 10:28 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
starlight.2
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
You need to read the whole article. What you quote is only a tiny view of the whole. The article shows a positive light on teen christianity.
Paul


so?

the link is up for anyone who cares to read.
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#191922 - 08/30/10 11:43 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: starlight.2]
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take heart, Paul actually read a link
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#191937 - 08/30/10 01:32 PM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: Greg]
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Regardless of what you all say Christians are the majority of Americans and will bias our government by that fact. Just the way it is.
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#191970 - 08/30/10 07:19 PM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: starlight.2]
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Originally Posted By: starlight.2

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Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians

(CNN) -- If you're the parent of a Christian teenager, Kenda Creasy Dean has this warning:

Your child is following a "mutant" form of Christianity, and you may be responsible.

Dean says more American teenagers are embracing what she calls "moralistic therapeutic deism." Translation: It's a watered-down faith that portrays God as a "divine therapist" whose chief goal is to boost people's self-esteem.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/27/almost.christian/index.html?hpt=T2


At least they are becoming something other than pregnant.

FOCUS on the positives of life! There are no walls of fear -- in faith, or fear of mistakes because it is all part of learning.

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#191971 - 08/30/10 07:20 PM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
The young people I talk to seem to mostly reject tradditional Christianity. I would agree that various forms of Deism are quite popular, including Wicca and various other forms of mainly Pagan beliefs.

Also, the ones who have been most intensely indoctrinated into Christianity seem to reject it far more strongly than others. IMO spirituality is something you have to develop personally, and attempts to force it on others generally fail miserably.

Doesn't say much for the effectiveness of aggressive evangelism as a means of getting converts.


You are in a very small part of America, ghoti.

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#191985 - 08/31/10 01:20 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: ævory]
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We all are Ronda.
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#192053 - 09/01/10 08:36 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: ghoti]
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"Bye-bye church. We're busy." That's the message teens are giving churches today.
Only about one in four teens now participate in church youth groups, considered the hallmark of involvement; numbers have been flat since 1999. Other measures of religiosity — prayer, Bible reading and going to church — lag as well, according to Barna Group, a Ventura, Calif., evangelical research company. This all has churches canceling their summer teen camps and youth pastors looking worriedly toward the fall, when school-year youth groups kick in.

"Talking to God may be losing out to Facebook," says Barna president David Kinnaman.


http://www.av1611.org/newslink.php?news_...amp;news_title=

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#192058 - 09/01/10 10:51 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: ronniechoate34]
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ronnie, it's not nearly as simplistic as that.

i found the actual report at the barna website:

http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/412-do-americans-change-faiths

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Ex-Christians
The most common type of spiritual shift was from those who were Christian, Protestant or Catholic in childhood to those who currently report being atheist, agnostic or some other faith. In total, this group represents about one out of every eight adults (12%), a category that might be described as ex-Christians.

Converts to Christianity (those converting from another faith or from non-belief as a child to the Christian faith as an adult) represent 3% of the population. About twice as many (7%) moved from Protestant to Catholic or from Catholic to Protestant. Another 2% of adults were no longer the same as their childhood faith but did not fit into any of these three categories.

Why People Change
The survey also explored the top-of-mind reasons why people change faiths. The most common reasons for moving away from Christianity included life experiences, such as gaining new knowledge or education; feeling disillusioned with church and religion; feeling the church is hypocritical; having negative experiences in churches; being in disagreement with Christianity about specific issues such as homosexuality, abortion or birth control; feeling the church is too authoritarian; wanting to express their faith outside of church; and searching for a new faith or wanting to experience other religions.


i found the exact same thing in the research i've conducted among atheists. the #1 reason why people de-converted was a greater understanding and appreciation of scientific knowledge.
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#192059 - 09/01/10 11:43 AM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: starlight.2]
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Originally Posted By: starlight.2
i found the exact same thing in the research i've conducted among atheists. the #1 reason why people de-converted was a greater understanding and appreciation of scientific knowledge.


But as those "intelligent" people age and grow many of them develop a faith, some convential, some not so convential. This holds true for some people I know personally. I spent many enjoyable summer evenings, as a 20 some, at a cottage up north in a enlightening debate with faculty members from a respected university discussng this. Take Einstein as a good and intriguing example. Unfortunately you may not appreciate his views on atheists.

"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional "opium of the people"—cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims."


Edited by Greg (09/01/10 11:46 AM)

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#192081 - 09/01/10 04:06 PM Re: Author: More teens becoming 'fake' Christians [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34

"Talking to God may be losing out to Facebook," says Barna president David Kinnaman.




I "friended" God, myself.

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