#193564 - 10/03/10 09:31 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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Paulwa_dup1
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Capitalists will spread more wealth and help to others...Islam will just spill blood of all who refuse to agree with them. I'll take the money over the blood any day, Greg.
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#193566 - 10/04/10 12:05 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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ghoti
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Christianity has ben conspiring to take over the world for the last 2000 years while Islam has only existed for the last 1300 years. IMO Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous to the US as Islamic extremists, if not more so.
Christian extremists are trying to take over our government right now, largely under the guise of the Tea Party.
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#193569 - 10/04/10 05:56 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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ronniechoate34
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Christianity has ben conspiring to take over the world for the last 2000 years while Islam has only existed for the last 1300 years. IMO Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous to the US as Islamic extremists, if not more so.
Christian extremists are trying to take over our government right now, largely under the guise of the Tea Party.
Ghoti you're as crazy as Ghandi was. Claiming to know Jesus Christ and denying him at the same time.
John:8:23: And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John:18:36: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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#193571 - 10/04/10 08:34 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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MerryA
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So the Islamic Center they are in the process of building here in Murfreesboro ....
Those who oppose it are taking the County Commission to court to try and get a stop order on the construction.
According to the Sunday paper their main argument is Islam is not a religion.
The majority of the article discussed how it is unconstitutional for our government to decided what is a religion and what is not. The IRS does it for tax purposes and Islam, of course, meets all the IRS requirements.
The kicker is that the current Mosque is across the street from the university and has been there for 20 years or so. Most folks didn't even know it was there. Fear and hate - just what Jesus had in mind. 
Here is today's article ... http://www.dnj.com/article/20100928/NEWS01/9280319/Mosque-hearing-focused-on-Shariah
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#193572 - 10/04/10 09:04 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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Greg
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Please, can we cool it with the put downs? I will try if you will.
Islam is a religion. The governments using Islam as their basis of law are theocracies. Islam exists in countries that are not theocracies, just as Christianity does. You guys really do need a good dictionary and a course in basic poly-sci. LOL
On the surface everyone (at least the realistic know this) but since it is a valid point, if you are a true to your religon, practicing Islamist, the concept of seperation of church and state is a huge contradiction that they have to reconcile. Does the same contradiction exist for Christains?
Edited by Greg (10/04/10 09:06 AM)
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#193573 - 10/04/10 09:18 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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MerryA
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Jesus said give unto to Cesar what is Cesar's.
Islam does not require a theocracy any more than Christianity does. Muslims practice their faith here in the US and in Canada and other non-theocratic countries. IMO separation of church and state is not an issue except for the radicals who want to force their beliefs on others.
BTW - the followers of Islam are Muslims, not Islamists. 
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#193574 - 10/04/10 09:33 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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Greg
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BTW - the followers of Islam are Muslims, not Islamists.
isn't a Islamist:
an orthodox Muslim
one who is knowledgeable in Islamic studies
A person who espouses Islamic fundamentalist beliefs; A Muslim, particularly an orthodox Muslim; A person who specializes in Islamic studies; Motivated by Islamic beliefs
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Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to their roots of their religion, and unite politically.
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#193576 - 10/04/10 10:12 AM
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ghoti
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Christianity has ben conspiring to take over the world for the last 2000 years while Islam has only existed for the last 1300 years. IMO Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous to the US as Islamic extremists, if not more so.
Christian extremists are trying to take over our government right now, largely under the guise of the Tea Party. Ghoti you're as crazy as Ghandi was. Claiming to know Jesus Christ and denying him at the same time. John:8:23: And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John:18:36: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Ronnie, MANY people from many cultures have claimed to be Gods in the past, and they had huge numbers of followers. You have made a choice to believe the claims made by Jesus and reject all those others. I choose to reject his claim as well.
You have no proof of his divinity beyond your personal belief and words in a 2000 year old book, and that just isn't persuasive to me. I believe he was a great man who was given an important message to deliver to us from the creator, but that's all. IMO he died like every other man and his claim to return was a hollow one that has now become very old and stale.
I believe in one creator who has revealed himself to many people from many cultures over time. I also believe that he continues to reveal his glory to us if we take the time and make the effort to study the wonders revealed to us through science.
I can't prove my beliefs to you any more than you can prove yours to me, and that's fine by me. Your beliefs work for you and mine for me, so let's just give each other mutual respect and not try to convert or condemn each other, OK?
Edited by ghoti (10/04/10 10:15 AM)
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#193577 - 10/04/10 10:20 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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MerryA
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BTW - the followers of Islam are Muslims, not Islamists. isn't a Islamist: an orthodox Muslim one who is knowledgeable in Islamic studies A person who espouses Islamic fundamentalist beliefs; A Muslim, particularly an orthodox Muslim; A person who specializes in Islamic studies; Motivated by Islamic beliefs with Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to their roots of their religion, and unite politically.
in other words, the fundamentalist conseverative radicals, not mainstream Muslims.
When talking about members of a particular faith, it is difficult to appreciate the differences in dogma because of the larger umbrella of identification.
For example, Paulwa and I both claim to be Christian but we disagree on most everything. He is very radical in his beliefs (he doesn't think so though  ) and because he is so vocal, all Christianity takes a beating.
I think it is the same with Islam. Mainstream Muslims are being lumped in with the radical fundamentalists eventhough they disagree on most everything.
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#193579 - 10/04/10 11:24 AM
Re: the ground zero church
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Paulwa_dup1
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The only reason christians are deemed to be trying to take over the government is because progressive, atheist and agnostics are attacking christian rights by trying to take ove our government usng the judicial system to out what we have been believiing or practicing since Jesus left this earth, such as public display of the ten commandments, nativity scenes around christmas time and trying to get the bible outed as a book of hate speech. We are at war wth evil and satan knows his time is growing very short and he is throwiing everything including the kitchen sink at us. Christians as a group have no desire to run our government as a coordinated group that I know of.
Edited to say maybe a small group of specific doctrine think christiasns should run the government, but that has only come about in the last 50 or so years.
paul
Edited by Paulwa_dup1 (10/04/10 11:28 AM)
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#193580 - 10/04/10 12:04 PM
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Edited to say maybe a small group of specific doctrine think christiasns should run the government, but that has only come about in the last 50 or so years.
That could make armageddon become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
No thanks.
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#193585 - 10/04/10 12:54 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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ronniechoate34
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So the Islamic Center they are in the process of building here in Murfreesboro .... Those who oppose it are taking the County Commission to court to try and get a stop order on the construction. According to the Sunday paper their main argument is Islam is not a religion. The majority of the article discussed how it is unconstitutional for our government to decided what is a religion and what is not. The IRS does it for tax purposes and Islam, of course, meets all the IRS requirements. The kicker is that the current Mosque is across the street from the university and has been there for 20 years or so. Most folks didn't even know it was there. Fear and hate - just what Jesus had in mind. Here is today's article ... http://www.dnj.com/article/20100928/NEWS01/9280319/Mosque-hearing-focused-on-Shariah
Romans:12:9: Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
Psalms:11:1: In the LORD put I my trust: How say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain?
Psalms:11:2: For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.
Psalms:11:3: If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Psalms:11:4: The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
Psalms:11:5: The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalms:11:6: Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
Psalms:11:7: For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.
Proverbs:3:21: My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
Proverbs:3:22: So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
Proverbs:3:23: Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.
Proverbs:3:24: When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.
Proverbs:3:25: Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.
Proverbs:3:26: For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.
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#193586 - 10/04/10 12:57 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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Paul I
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I believe nearly every religion has the desire within its following to convert everyone to their beliefs. It comes in all degrees depending on the religion. It's human nature.
Paulwa, take a look at the Muslims living in Spain 1200 or so years ago. A thriving, tolerant civilization of scholars, fine crafts people, etc.
All the main religions have had so many different faces, beliefs and practices depending on the country and culture they exist/existed in. Outsider's regard for another religion's practices also depends on the nature of other cultures at that time. It seems to me that we Westerners have become pretty tolerant of other religions within our bounds.
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#193588 - 10/04/10 01:00 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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ronniechoate34
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IMO he died like every other man and his claim to return was a hollow one that has now become very old and stale.
Think about what you've said here.
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#193589 - 10/04/10 01:14 PM
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MerryA
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Romans 12:9-21
9 Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good; 10 love one another with mutual affection; outdo one another in showing honor. 11 Do not lag in zeal, be ardent in spirit, serve the Lord. 12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in suffering, persevere in prayer. 13 Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly; do not claim to be wiser than you are. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. 18 If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 No, “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Seems Ronnie likes to cherry pick Scripture too. LOL
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