#191847 - 08/27/10 09:57 AM
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starlight.2
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Amid Furor on Islamic Center, Pleas for Orthodox Church Nearby By PAUL VITELLO Published: August 23, 2010 The furor over plans to build an Islamic center two blocks from ground zero had already been joined by several politicians. On Monday, two politicians were joined in turn by officials of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, who sought to use the controversy to focus attention on their long-stymied effort to rebuild a church destroyed on 9/11 at the foot of the World Trade Center. At a news conference near the trade center site, church officials appeared with former Gov. George E. Pataki and a Greek-American Congressional candidate from Long Island — both opponents of the Islamic center — to make their case: Government officials who appear to be clearing the way for the center, which includes a mosque, are blocking the reconstruction of St. Nicholas Church, the only house of worship destroyed in the terrorist attacks.
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#191850 - 08/27/10 10:32 AM
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They would rather have a gaping hole to call "hallowed ground" than have people rebuild their lives.
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#191889 - 08/28/10 12:32 PM
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That gaping hole is fi,l,ed with bits and pieces of Americans, MerryA but maybe that is not important to you! It is to families of the victims blown up by crazy Islamist Muslims who now want to build a memorial center to celebrate the occasion when a legitimate Christian church that was destroyed is denied renbuilding by ignorant bastard New York government who is busy with their bulldozers destroying the foundation of the church so that it cannot be rebuilt! SOB's!!! Paul
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#191900 - 08/28/10 08:32 PM
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Paul, your hatred is going to cause you to stroke out. Chill. The lies you are beliving are making you nutso.
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#191902 - 08/28/10 10:04 PM
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#191973 - 08/30/10 08:04 PM
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Hey I got an idea..why don't we fill that gaping hole with all those asses you guys are laughing off?!!!
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#191987 - 08/31/10 02:01 AM
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Why is there still a gaping hole? It's been 9 years now and I thought there was a pledge and plan to rebuild at the site. After all this time you'd think there would at least be something started there.
Isn't it high time we moved forward?
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#191988 - 08/31/10 02:03 AM
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Why is there still a gaping hole? It's been 9 years now and I thought there was a pledge and plan to rebuild at the site. After all this time you'd think there would at least be something started there.
Isn't it high time we moved forward?
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#192005 - 08/31/10 12:19 PM
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heave ho forward we go
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#192006 - 08/31/10 12:20 PM
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Hey I got an idea..why don't we fill that gaping hole with all those asses you guys are laughing off?!!! ''
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#192015 - 08/31/10 02:09 PM
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Why is there still a gaping hole? It's been 9 years now and I thought there was a pledge and plan to rebuild at the site. After all this time you'd think there would at least be something started there.
Isn't it high time we moved forward?
Oh hell no! We will never move forward. We will continue to let terrorism win.
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#192022 - 08/31/10 04:07 PM
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So Paul, it should probably be used as a cemetery for terrorists and we could have a little Muslim flag over each one like pilots would paint swastikas on their fighter planes.
There were also parts of Muslims in the hole to add to the insanity of the event. This whole thing gets totally skewed when one compares it to other events like 62,000 Brits killed in one battle in WWI or the thousands of civilians we killed in Iraq and Dresden. It's like all lives are created equal but some are more equal than others.
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#192052 - 09/01/10 08:25 AM
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People surely do seem to enjoy stirring around in big stinking pots of hatered. It's just like kicking at dung inhaling the aromas, but some people can't get enough of it.
It's sad.
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#192054 - 09/01/10 08:39 AM
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It is a political hit job meant to play to people's emotions and is part of a larger agenda. There are over 100 mosques in New York!
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#192055 - 09/01/10 09:09 AM
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It is a political hit job meant to play to people's emotions and is part of a larger agenda. There are over 100 mosques in New York!
edit for the grammer freaktoids
Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it.
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#192056 - 09/01/10 10:18 AM
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A Florida pastor is speaking out in defense of his congregation’s controversial plan to burn copies of Koran on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, MyFoxOrlando.com reported.
"Things like 9-11, Fort Hood, and the honor killings... these are possibly not isolated incidents," Dove World Outreach Center pastor Terry Jones said. "These are things that, if we don't stand up now, they can increase."
The Gainesville, Fla. church made headlines worldwide in July when it announced the plans on its Facebook page.
The event had received thousands of "Like" recommendations by users of the social networking site, but had also been attacked with a number of threatening messages posted on the page and received corresponding anti-Islam rants.
Jones — who has written a book titled "Islam is of The Devil" and sells T-shirts bearing the same message — says his life is being threatened after getting international attention for his plans.
"We have thought about it," the pastor said, "about the danger in holding the controversial event, and we realize that whenever we made this step, that this kind of thing could happen. But we feel it's that important, and the times call for some kind of radical measure in standing up.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/13/fla-pastor-defends-koran-burning-plan/
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#192057 - 09/01/10 10:37 AM
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Amid Furor on Islamic Center, Pleas for Orthodox Church Nearby By PAUL VITELLO Published: August 23, 2010 The furor over plans to build an Islamic center two blocks from ground zero had already been joined by several politicians. On Monday, two politicians were joined in turn by officials of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, who sought to use the controversy to focus attention on their long-stymied effort to rebuild a church destroyed on 9/11 at the foot of the World Trade Center. At a news conference near the trade center site, church officials appeared with former Gov. George E. Pataki and a Greek-American Congressional candidate from Long Island — both opponents of the Islamic center — to make their case: Government officials who appear to be clearing the way for the center, which includes a mosque, are blocking the reconstruction of St. Nicholas Church, the only house of worship destroyed in the terrorist attacks.
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for those who oppose the proposed islamic center, do you support the (re)building of the greek orthodox christian church?
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#192066 - 09/01/10 12:33 PM
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They have more right to rebuild than a foreign country who uses mosques to mark conquered territory, regardless if they are johnny come lately Americans trying to dig in. Paul
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#192069 - 09/01/10 12:40 PM
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They have more right to rebuild than a foreign country who uses mosques to mark conquered territory, regardless if they are johnny come lately Americans trying to dig in. Paul
and what foreign country would that be?
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#192083 - 09/01/10 05:46 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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All foreign countries run by Islam. Mr. Greg Canada.
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#192104 - 09/02/10 08:15 AM
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Greg
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All foreign countries run by Islam. Mr. Greg Canada.
You are a uniter, not a divider.
Do you know or even care that for the world (as in the planet you live on) 22.9% or 1.5 billion of all people are Muslim.
You got a lot of countries to be scared of and hate cause below is a list of countries with populations that exceed 50% Muslim.
Nigeria 78056000 50.4% Chad 6257000 55.8% Kazakhstan 8822000 56.4% Burkina Faso 9292000 59.0% Lebanon 2504000 59.3% Malaysia 16581000 60.4% Brunei 269000 67.2% Sierra Leone 4059000 71.3% Sudan 30121000 71.3% United Arab Emirates 3504000 76.2% Qatar 1092000 77.5% Albania 2522000 79.9% Bahrain 642000 81.2% Tajikistan 5848000 84.1% Guinea 8502000 84.4% Kyrgyzstan 4734000 86.3% Oman 2494000 87.7% Indonesia 202867000 88.2% Bangladesh 145312000 89.6% Kosovo 1999000 89.6% Middle East-North Africa 315322000 91.2% Syria 20196000 92.2% Mali 12040000 92.5% Turkmenistan 4757000 93.1% Egypt 78513000 94.6% Gambia 1625000 95.0% Kuwait 2824000 95.0% Senegal 12028000 96.0% Pakistan 174082000 96.3% Uzbekistan 26469000 96.3% Libya 6203000 96.6% Djibouti 838000 96.9% Saudi Arabia 24949000 97.0% Algeria 34199000 98.0% Palestinian territories 4173000 98.0% Turkey 73619000 98.0% Jordan 6202000 98.2% Comoros 664000 98.3% Maldives 304000 98.4% Somalia 8995000 98.5% Niger 15075000 98.6% Iraq 30428000 99.0% Morocco 31993000 99.0% Mauritania 3261000 99.1% Yemen 23363000 99.1% Azerbaijan 8765000 99.2% Iran 73777000 99.4% Western Sahara 510000 99.4% Tunisia 10216000 99.5% Afghanistan 28072000 99.7%
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#192126 - 09/02/10 12:33 PM
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We have a big job destroying their goals for the world. After the rapture they will have it for seven years and then be kicked out by God. There will be retribution by our creator for those who are out to destroy Israel. Paul
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#192127 - 09/02/10 12:34 PM
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We have a big job destroying their goals for the world. After the rapture they will have it for seven years and then be kicked out by God. There will be retribution by our creator for those who are out to destroy Israel. Paul
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#192179 - 09/03/10 10:19 AM
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I think the Rapture has already happened and you were left behind. Poor us.
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#192270 - 09/05/10 05:50 AM
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They would rather have a gaping hole to call "hallowed ground" than have people rebuild their lives.
I think Sarah tweeted it best. I mean, many people will tell you when you should be moving on after a husband or wife passes away....or a child....come on. No one need dictate when that healing occurs. But anyway...here's Sarah's tweet:
"Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing."
Should there be a mosque near Ground Zero? unequivacably, no.
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#192271 - 09/05/10 05:51 AM
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ævory
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OH, THAT'S SARAH PALIN I QUOTED.
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#192313 - 09/06/10 01:38 AM
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If sufficient healing has not occured in 9 years to move forward and no longer live in the past, there are issues involved greater than the wound/loss caused by the event. BTW - healing is not forgetting.
Other than blaming (and hating/fearing) American Muslims for the actions of Saudi Arabian terrorists, give one reason why the Community Center should not be built two blocks from the gaping hole of Ground Zero?
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#192321 - 09/06/10 12:09 PM
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Your brain is shriveling MerryA, who or what gives you the right to say how long it will take to come to grips with a hole in the ground plastered with American blood and body parts of loved ones. You are a jerk or need to quit acting like a smart know it all who can't find her but with both hands!
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#192350 - 09/06/10 07:59 PM
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Muslims were in the Twin Towers and were killed by the terrorists as well.
People may grieve a loss for the rest of their lives but most still begin a new life within a year or so of a loss. Other than blaming (and hating/fearing) American Muslims for the actions of Saudi Arabian terrorists, give one reason why the Community Center should not be built two blocks from the gaping hole of Ground Zero?
Edited by MerryA (09/06/10 07:59 PM)
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#192386 - 09/08/10 11:17 AM
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Ground Zero mosque imam offers prayer space for Jews and Christians
The imam planning to build a mosque near the Ground Zero site of the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York has said he will include "separate prayer spaces" for Christians and Jews in his Islamic centre.
Iman Feisal Abdul Rauf also promised to "clearly identify" the financial backers of his Cordoba House centre, which is two blocks from the site of the al-Qaeda attacks, and to build a memorial to the victims.
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it does seem like the imam in charge of the project is doing all he can to placate the objectors.
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#192387 - 09/08/10 11:32 AM
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Right! Pulling the wool over the eyes is what those snakes are good at beforer they slip the knife between the ribs! I am not for violence but if they build I think they will get some of their explosives back. There are people in the USA who will not stand for their arrogance and indifference towards Americans. It will be time to eject anti Americans from off our continent once and for all! They are nothing but pirates. There are many foreign born people here who love America and what it has been at core value and will stand with us against those who are out to change and transform our wonderful country. If negative things are blaimed on America it is only because it was caused by those with anti American views and have gained a platform of power. That is going to end!! Paul
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#192394 - 09/08/10 11:57 AM
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Paulwa, do you think only Christians can be loyal US citizens?
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#192396 - 09/08/10 12:10 PM
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I think Paulwa has totally lost his feeble mind.
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#192397 - 09/08/10 12:10 PM
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No! Atheists, Agnostics and any religion other than Islam can be loyal Americans. Islam wants to take over and transform us to their religion with in the end Islam or death being the only tweo choices left to individuals! Paul
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#192400 - 09/08/10 12:41 PM
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So you believe it is impossible for someone to be Muslim and also a loyal US citizen?
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#192401 - 09/08/10 01:02 PM
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True Muslim who follow Islam, Koran and Sharia law can not be loyal Americans they are forever at odds. They can be one or the other but not both at the same time. The watered down Islam who discount much of the Koran and follow American law over Sharia law can be loyal Americans but they will not be true Islamists. Just the way it is! It is like saying a person is christian and atheist at the same time. Not possible! Paul
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#192407 - 09/08/10 04:54 PM
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Can a devout Christian be a loyal citizen and follow the constitution over their faith?
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#192430 - 09/09/10 04:09 PM
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Not over but with equality, Jesus said to follow the laws of the land and to pay tribute where trinbute is due. If it came down to either faith or a bad law, faith would take precedence. My opinion. Paul
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#192438 - 09/09/10 06:25 PM
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Paulwa, don't you think a devout Muslim might feel exactly the same way? How can you fault them for that?
Edited by ghoti (09/09/10 08:37 PM)
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#192460 - 09/09/10 11:16 PM
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Because theirs is an invasive divide and conquer religion out to take the world for allah no matter the time or the cost to others..eventheir lives. The Cordova imam of NY is a lying bastard. Paul
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#192463 - 09/10/10 12:02 AM
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Many Islamic people feel the same way about Christians. We've killed an awful lot more of their people over the last 9 years than they have of ours.
You're just driving the wedge deeper with your attitude, and thinking like that is going to get us into more trouble in the long run.
Whatever happened to "love thy neighbor"?
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#192475 - 09/10/10 10:31 AM
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Whatever happened to "love thy neighbor"?
Jesus didn't really mean that...
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#192480 - 09/10/10 12:00 PM
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The Cordova imam of NY is a lying bastard. Paul You used to be an eccentric, goofy old fart. But anymore you're just vile, hateful and mean. You're no better than those you despise. Sometimes I hope there is a God and wish I could be there at your judgment to see the look on your face when He tells you, "depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
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#192482 - 09/10/10 12:36 PM
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1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
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#192499 - 09/10/10 04:42 PM
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We are also to love our enemies and those who persecute us..even though we may pull the trigger to stop their evil bloodshed on mankind. There is a time for the sword. Paul
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#192500 - 09/10/10 04:43 PM
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We are also to love our enemies and those who persecute us..even though we may pull the trigger to stop their evil bloodshed on mankind. There is a time for the sword. Paul
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#192509 - 09/10/10 08:36 PM
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There is a time for the sword. Paul The sword cuts both ways. So, like I said, you're no better than those you despise.
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#192510 - 09/10/10 09:12 PM
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Tell that to the radical Muslim who comes to offer you life or death with his schimitar blade. It will be just a matter of time.
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#192511 - 09/10/10 10:07 PM
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Your sword is no more righteous than the Muslim's.
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#192514 - 09/11/10 07:57 AM
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We are also to love our enemies and those who persecute us..even though we may pull the trigger to stop their evil bloodshed on mankind. There is a time for the sword. Paul
Jesus said to love our enemies and to turn the other cheek. He NEVER said it was OK to kill them. Your version of Christianity is very warped and dangerous, Paulwa.
If people with your attitude were running our country we'd end up entangled in World War III fighting against over a billion Islamic people.
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#192519 - 09/11/10 10:58 AM
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If people with your attitude were running our country we'd end up entangled in World War III fighting against over a billion Islamic people.
People who think like Paul would tell you there is nothing they can do to stop this inevitable war at hand. They see this as the fulfillment of Bible prophecy (even though it's been thought many times over the years). This time, they know they are right. The writing is on the wall. They are gleefully warning against the horror to befall those of us who are left behind.You will remember what Paul told you when you take the mark of the beast in order to survive, but it will be too late.
Can't stop it. We told you so. Come quickly please Lord Jesus.
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#192520 - 09/11/10 11:05 AM
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Come quickly please Lord Jesus.... ...because my house is a filthy pig stye and I don't want to have to clean it again!!!
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#192521 - 09/11/10 12:00 PM
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But pigs aren't filthy, right? Must be a Muslim sty inn keeping with Paul's campaign of misinformation.
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#192522 - 09/11/10 12:28 PM
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Like Spock said..Remember..remember :-)
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#193526 - 10/03/10 09:46 AM
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Islam isn't a religion...It's a foreign law.
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#193539 - 10/03/10 12:15 PM
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actually no... it's a religion.
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#193546 - 10/03/10 12:52 PM
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even though you have to nuance it couldn't rc make the case that since Islamic religon controls and regulates Ismalic law that religon, law and gov't are one? a theocracy
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#193555 - 10/03/10 02:04 PM
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Religious controlled government bent on taking over the earth. That is Islam.
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#193557 - 10/03/10 02:15 PM
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Islam is a religion. The governments using Islam as their basis of law are theocracies. Islam exists in countries that are not theocracies, just as Christianity does. You guys really do need a good dictionary and a course in basic poly-sci. LOL
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#193558 - 10/03/10 02:19 PM
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Religious controlled government bent on taking over the earth. That is Islam.
and do you know the way the flip side of you wacko extremists see it?
Capitalist controlled government bent on taking over the earth. That is the USA.
Ask yourself which extremeists can offer up more proof to support their claim?
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#193564 - 10/03/10 09:31 PM
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Capitalists will spread more wealth and help to others...Islam will just spill blood of all who refuse to agree with them. I'll take the money over the blood any day, Greg.
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#193566 - 10/04/10 12:05 AM
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Christianity has ben conspiring to take over the world for the last 2000 years while Islam has only existed for the last 1300 years. IMO Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous to the US as Islamic extremists, if not more so.
Christian extremists are trying to take over our government right now, largely under the guise of the Tea Party.
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#193569 - 10/04/10 05:56 AM
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Christianity has ben conspiring to take over the world for the last 2000 years while Islam has only existed for the last 1300 years. IMO Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous to the US as Islamic extremists, if not more so.
Christian extremists are trying to take over our government right now, largely under the guise of the Tea Party.
Ghoti you're as crazy as Ghandi was. Claiming to know Jesus Christ and denying him at the same time.
John:8:23: And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John:18:36: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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#193571 - 10/04/10 08:34 AM
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So the Islamic Center they are in the process of building here in Murfreesboro ....
Those who oppose it are taking the County Commission to court to try and get a stop order on the construction.
According to the Sunday paper their main argument is Islam is not a religion.
The majority of the article discussed how it is unconstitutional for our government to decided what is a religion and what is not. The IRS does it for tax purposes and Islam, of course, meets all the IRS requirements.
The kicker is that the current Mosque is across the street from the university and has been there for 20 years or so. Most folks didn't even know it was there. Fear and hate - just what Jesus had in mind. 
Here is today's article ... http://www.dnj.com/article/20100928/NEWS01/9280319/Mosque-hearing-focused-on-Shariah
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#193572 - 10/04/10 09:04 AM
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Please, can we cool it with the put downs? I will try if you will.
Islam is a religion. The governments using Islam as their basis of law are theocracies. Islam exists in countries that are not theocracies, just as Christianity does. You guys really do need a good dictionary and a course in basic poly-sci. LOL
On the surface everyone (at least the realistic know this) but since it is a valid point, if you are a true to your religon, practicing Islamist, the concept of seperation of church and state is a huge contradiction that they have to reconcile. Does the same contradiction exist for Christains?
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#193573 - 10/04/10 09:18 AM
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Jesus said give unto to Cesar what is Cesar's.
Islam does not require a theocracy any more than Christianity does. Muslims practice their faith here in the US and in Canada and other non-theocratic countries. IMO separation of church and state is not an issue except for the radicals who want to force their beliefs on others.
BTW - the followers of Islam are Muslims, not Islamists.
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#193574 - 10/04/10 09:33 AM
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BTW - the followers of Islam are Muslims, not Islamists.
isn't a Islamist: an orthodox Muslim
one who is knowledgeable in Islamic studies
A person who espouses Islamic fundamentalist beliefs; A Muslim, particularly an orthodox Muslim; A person who specializes in Islamic studies; Motivated by Islamic beliefs
with Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to their roots of their religion, and unite politically.
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#193576 - 10/04/10 10:12 AM
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Christianity has ben conspiring to take over the world for the last 2000 years while Islam has only existed for the last 1300 years. IMO Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous to the US as Islamic extremists, if not more so.
Christian extremists are trying to take over our government right now, largely under the guise of the Tea Party. Ghoti you're as crazy as Ghandi was. Claiming to know Jesus Christ and denying him at the same time. John:8:23: And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John:18:36: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Ronnie, MANY people from many cultures have claimed to be Gods in the past, and they had huge numbers of followers. You have made a choice to believe the claims made by Jesus and reject all those others. I choose to reject his claim as well.
You have no proof of his divinity beyond your personal belief and words in a 2000 year old book, and that just isn't persuasive to me. I believe he was a great man who was given an important message to deliver to us from the creator, but that's all. IMO he died like every other man and his claim to return was a hollow one that has now become very old and stale.
I believe in one creator who has revealed himself to many people from many cultures over time. I also believe that he continues to reveal his glory to us if we take the time and make the effort to study the wonders revealed to us through science.
I can't prove my beliefs to you any more than you can prove yours to me, and that's fine by me. Your beliefs work for you and mine for me, so let's just give each other mutual respect and not try to convert or condemn each other, OK?
Edited by ghoti (10/04/10 10:15 AM)
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#193577 - 10/04/10 10:20 AM
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BTW - the followers of Islam are Muslims, not Islamists. isn't a Islamist: an orthodox Muslim one who is knowledgeable in Islamic studies A person who espouses Islamic fundamentalist beliefs; A Muslim, particularly an orthodox Muslim; A person who specializes in Islamic studies; Motivated by Islamic beliefs with Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to their roots of their religion, and unite politically. in other words, the fundamentalist conseverative radicals, not mainstream Muslims. 
When talking about members of a particular faith, it is difficult to appreciate the differences in dogma because of the larger umbrella of identification.
For example, Paulwa and I both claim to be Christian but we disagree on most everything. He is very radical in his beliefs (he doesn't think so though ) and because he is so vocal, all Christianity takes a beating.
I think it is the same with Islam. Mainstream Muslims are being lumped in with the radical fundamentalists eventhough they disagree on most everything.
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#193579 - 10/04/10 11:24 AM
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The only reason christians are deemed to be trying to take over the government is because progressive, atheist and agnostics are attacking christian rights by trying to take ove our government usng the judicial system to out what we have been believiing or practicing since Jesus left this earth, such as public display of the ten commandments, nativity scenes around christmas time and trying to get the bible outed as a book of hate speech. We are at war wth evil and satan knows his time is growing very short and he is throwiing everything including the kitchen sink at us. Christians as a group have no desire to run our government as a coordinated group that I know of.
Edited to say maybe a small group of specific doctrine think christiasns should run the government, but that has only come about in the last 50 or so years. paul
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#193580 - 10/04/10 12:04 PM
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Edited to say maybe a small group of specific doctrine think christiasns should run the government, but that has only come about in the last 50 or so years.
That could make armageddon become a self-fulfilling prophecy. No thanks.
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#193585 - 10/04/10 12:54 PM
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So the Islamic Center they are in the process of building here in Murfreesboro .... Those who oppose it are taking the County Commission to court to try and get a stop order on the construction. According to the Sunday paper their main argument is Islam is not a religion. The majority of the article discussed how it is unconstitutional for our government to decided what is a religion and what is not. The IRS does it for tax purposes and Islam, of course, meets all the IRS requirements. The kicker is that the current Mosque is across the street from the university and has been there for 20 years or so. Most folks didn't even know it was there. Fear and hate - just what Jesus had in mind.  Here is today's article ... http://www.dnj.com/article/20100928/NEWS01/9280319/Mosque-hearing-focused-on-Shariah
Romans:12:9: Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
Psalms:11:1: In the LORD put I my trust: How say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain? Psalms:11:2: For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. Psalms:11:3: If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? Psalms:11:4: The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. Psalms:11:5: The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Psalms:11:6: Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. Psalms:11:7: For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.
Proverbs:3:21: My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion: Proverbs:3:22: So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck. Proverbs:3:23: Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble. Proverbs:3:24: When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet. Proverbs:3:25: Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh. Proverbs:3:26: For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.
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#193586 - 10/04/10 12:57 PM
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I believe nearly every religion has the desire within its following to convert everyone to their beliefs. It comes in all degrees depending on the religion. It's human nature.
Paulwa, take a look at the Muslims living in Spain 1200 or so years ago. A thriving, tolerant civilization of scholars, fine crafts people, etc.
All the main religions have had so many different faces, beliefs and practices depending on the country and culture they exist/existed in. Outsider's regard for another religion's practices also depends on the nature of other cultures at that time. It seems to me that we Westerners have become pretty tolerant of other religions within our bounds.
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#193588 - 10/04/10 01:00 PM
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IMO he died like every other man and his claim to return was a hollow one that has now become very old and stale.
Think about what you've said here.
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#193589 - 10/04/10 01:14 PM
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Romans 12:9-21
9 Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good; 10 love one another with mutual affection; outdo one another in showing honor. 11 Do not lag in zeal, be ardent in spirit, serve the Lord. 12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in suffering, persevere in prayer. 13 Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly; do not claim to be wiser than you are. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. 18 If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 No, “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Seems Ronnie likes to cherry pick Scripture too. LOL
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#193597 - 10/04/10 02:10 PM
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IMO he died like every other man and his claim to return was a hollow one that has now become very old and stale. Think about what you've said here.
Speaking of old and stale, your act sure is.
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#193615 - 10/04/10 08:35 PM
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Ronnie, I can quote scripture, too.
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
If Jesus really thought he was God, why would he say this?
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#193625 - 10/05/10 07:45 AM
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Steve - that is one of the mysteries we take on faith. The Trinity - three in one - all God yet separate. Jesus is the son (human and divine) AND He is God come to earth. He is seated at the right hand of the Father AND He is the Father. Then throw in the Holy Spirit and ... oy, what a mess! LOL
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#193629 - 10/05/10 08:06 AM
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Of course, Merry, and I don't mean to undermine anybody's faith. Ronnie is attacking my beliefs and I'm just trying to show that there is actual scriptural support for them.
The joy and failing of the Bible is that it says so many different things in various places that you can use it to support nearly anything if you pick and choose. It all depends on which passages resonate most strongly with you.
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#193646 - 10/05/10 01:23 PM
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Well with God's super intelligence, maybe He wrote the bible that way on purpose. Maybe it is a sieve of collection and elimination of people. Some slide right through easily while others grasp His truths and remain. God is big on remnants. The Holy Spirit of the trinity work with and analyze people and gives them spiritual guidance if they will take it. He made it easy for those doubters those with their own views held to be more important than those espoused in a dusty old book written by a slew of weird old foreigners and picked up through the ages by fringe hugging peoples. May be just the way God designed it all. Come the day of facing the truth those who slipped through will be crying the loudest that God tricked them using their own minds. They'll cry foul and curse their maker because they lived their lives to their own likes and lusts and now He stands in front of them saying nothing and the truth shoots through them likes blades of light and they have no defense. All watching will see and know the truth instantly and the punishment will be just what each sinner has asked for. Eternal seperation from their maker with no recourse..ever. They walked by Jesus Christ their only hope at salvation with barely a glance. Paul
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#193650 - 10/05/10 02:19 PM
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Of course, Merry, and I don't mean to undermine anybody's faith. Ronnie is attacking my beliefs I don't think you undermined anybody's faith! The opposite is true. I'm so dense lately I thought you were asking for info. 
Ronnie attacks everybody's beliefs if they are different from his own narrow straight line version. Rod McKuen said straight lines are good for nothing more than proving you are sober. LOL
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#193658 - 10/05/10 03:32 PM
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Of course, Merry, and I don't mean to undermine anybody's faith. Ronnie is attacking my beliefs I don't think you undermined anybody's faith! The opposite is true. I'm so dense lately I thought you were asking for info.  Ronnie attacks everybody's beliefs if they are different from his own narrow straight line version. Rod McKuen said straight lines are good for nothing more than proving you are sober. LOL
You'd never attack anyone's beliiefs would ya'? Nope not you you aren't that type of person.
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#193659 - 10/05/10 03:36 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Ronnie is attacking my beliefs and I'm just trying to show that there is actual scriptural support for them.
Why do you get to pick and choose what is "actual scripture" and what is not "actual scripture"?
Actually I think that should be left to the believers to whom the "actual scriptures" have been revealed.
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#193660 - 10/05/10 03:38 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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flicka
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They walked by Jesus Christ their only hope at salvation with barely a glance. That doesn't mean Jesus didn't see them. Since no man comes unto the Father, but through Him, I believe He can save anyone & everyone He wants.
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#193662 - 10/05/10 04:50 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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ronniechoate34
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Actually Jesus only came to save those given to Him by the Father.
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#193663 - 10/05/10 05:26 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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The ones who are collected in the sieve of Gods word will be saved because they will hear the word and yield to its truth. Those are the ones God gives Jesus to be saved,brought to Him by the Holy Spirit.
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#193671 - 10/05/10 07:27 PM
Re: the ground zero church
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flicka
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Actually Jesus only came to save those given to Him by the Father. Everyone but the Chosen?
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#193672 - 10/05/10 07:31 PM
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You'd never attack anyone's beliiefs would ya'? Nope not you you aren't that type of person. I really am trying to work my tolerance of jerks but when you show up, I forget.
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#193673 - 10/05/10 07:33 PM
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flicka
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The ones who are collected in the sieve of Gods word will be saved because they will hear the word and yield to its truth. Those are the ones God gives Jesus to be saved,brought to Him by the Holy Spirit. How mysterious can it get? Obviously we are looked at differently than the elect. Why isn't Grace large enough to cover the rest of us?
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#193678 - 10/05/10 09:24 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Grace covers all that come to Jesus at the end, but there are those of the first covenant to God that answer to God alone. I have no idea what God will intend. Some think in eternity there will be eternal humans of the eternal body type of Jesus Christ and maybe others who remain human and must use the tree of life for their good health and eternal life. God will make all this clear in time. There is the Elect of Jesus Christ, the church, and the Elect of God who follow Torah law.
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#193688 - 10/05/10 11:52 PM
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flicka
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I have no idea what God will intend. At least you have the good sense to admit it every now & then!
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#193695 - 10/06/10 08:30 AM
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ghoti
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Ronnie is attacking my beliefs and I'm just trying to show that there is actual scriptural support for them. Why do you get to pick and choose what is "actual scripture" and what is not "actual scripture"? Actually I think that should be left to the believers to whom the "actual scriptures" have been revealed.
Are you saying the passage from Matthew that I posted isn't true and should be ignored,and that only true believers are allowed to interpret the Bible? The Bible contains many contradictory passages and IMO many people just cling to the ones that support their preconceptions and igmore everything else.
Edited by ghoti (10/06/10 08:31 AM)
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