#191162 - 08/14/10 07:07 AM
NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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ronniechoate34
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SATAN The Satellite Tracking Antenna (SATAN) Command System was installed in 1964 and expanded in 1972. It was installed by NASA to transmit very high frequency radio signals to command satellites. It included early satellite tracking antennas and a support building. One antenna has a diameter of 9 meters and is comprised of numerous small discs on rods. The other antenna is a backup antenna with a cross dipole array. The SATAN program has been deactivated and SATAN facilities are now removed.
http://www.fcdas.noaa.gov/facilities.html
I just stumbled across this and thought it may be significant.
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#191164 - 08/14/10 08:20 AM
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the link wouldn't work for me
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#191165 - 08/14/10 08:23 AM
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I just stumbled across this and thought it may be significant.
It's not.
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#191166 - 08/14/10 08:33 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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the link wouldn't work for me
I fixed the link in the first post.
I'll place it here in this post for you.
http://www.fcdas.noaa.gov/facilities.html
If you are interested then take a look.
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#191167 - 08/14/10 08:34 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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I just stumbled across this and thought it may be significant.
It's not.
Didn't you tell me that on the other forum?
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#191168 - 08/14/10 08:41 AM
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Greg
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I looked and did I miss something? It seems kind of innocuous. What makes you think it might be significant? That is besides the catchy program name.
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#191169 - 08/14/10 08:53 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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I looked and did I miss something? It seems kind of innocuous. What makes you think it might be significant? That is besides the catchy program name.
The whole thing smacks of satan to me. It's simply another method of controlling the "num-nums" who don't know any better even though they dedicate their work to satan in plain sight of them. The Apollo missions and more were blatantly dedicated to their god's and pagan religions.
It makes me think of the following scripture.
Isaiah:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isaiah:14:13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isaiah:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah:14:15: Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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#191171 - 08/14/10 09:08 AM
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Do you believe Catholicism as a pagan religon? Because I thought I read you inferred this on a Christain board.
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#191172 - 08/14/10 09:25 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Greg I believe that Catholicism contains all of the elements of paganism while keeping an appearance of Christianity. The parallels are there for us to see and the history of the Catholic church backs this up.
I don't hate the Catholic people. They are ill informed people who've been blindsided by satan appearing as an angel of light.
I have to say that because I usually get called a hate monger for saying these things about the Catholic church. It must make people feel better about themselves to judge me for telling them the truth.
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#191174 - 08/14/10 10:08 AM
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Ronnie, if you actually think there's "truth" in any religious beliefs then you're sadly mistaken. Every religion claims to have the answers, but they obviously can't all be right. It's all a matter of faith, not "truth".
You've decided that belief based on your Biblical interpretation is the correct pathway for you, but others believe very different things just as strongly. Seriously, what makes you so sure your way is the only right one?
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#191178 - 08/14/10 10:35 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Ronnie sees Satan in everything - even the gifts of God. He trashes the early Church without recognizing there would not be Christianity if not for them. So short sighted, so silly. LOL
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#191179 - 08/14/10 10:58 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Ronnie sees Satan in everything - even the gifts of God. He trashes the early Church without recognizing there would not be Christianity if not for them. So short sighted, so silly. LOL
So judgmental, so soon to be judged. But then again we are all soon to be judged. That ought to give those who judge others plenty to think about, but they are too deep in their own darkness to understand such things.
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#191182 - 08/14/10 11:29 AM
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Wow, this is just amazingly humorous coming from you, Ronnie.
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#191183 - 08/14/10 11:42 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Wow, this is just amazingly humorous coming from you, Ronnie.
It's not funny. It's just that you don't understand what judgment is.
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#191184 - 08/14/10 12:04 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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ronniechoate found a very pee-wee religious forum where he fancies himself a big fish in a little pond.
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#191186 - 08/14/10 12:20 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Well, he certainly showed he couldn't cut it in the big leagues when he got banned from this place:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7383578/
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#191187 - 08/14/10 12:31 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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He obviously marches to the beat of a different "christian"....
He's free to do so.
And I'm free to ignore him.
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#191188 - 08/14/10 12:31 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Don't feed the troll!
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#191189 - 08/14/10 01:54 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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strange...
when i first saw this link i thought it read "NYAH NYAH SATAN".
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#191200 - 08/14/10 04:58 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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ronniechoate found a very pee-wee religious forum where he fancies himself a big fish in a little pond.
The big fish don't get attacked like I do. I'm a minnow.
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#191201 - 08/14/10 05:04 PM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Yeah,,,right.."The big leagues." If you say so, ghoti.
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#191206 - 08/14/10 08:36 PM
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It's a hell of a lot bigger venue than the lowly NM Faith and Religion forum.
Welcome to Christian Forums
Join over 250,000 Members -Discuss Faith -Encourage Each Other -Get Accountability -Get Connected -Have Fun!
http://www.christianforums.com/
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#191210 - 08/15/10 05:59 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Ronnie - Since you intentionally don't attend a Christian church, what other aspects of Christanity do you feel are unnecessary? Have you been baptized?
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#191211 - 08/15/10 06:24 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Ronnie - Since you intentionally don't attend a Christian church, what other aspects of Christanity do you feel are unnecessary? Have you been baptized?
Are we commanded to be baptized?
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#191213 - 08/15/10 07:13 AM
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Ronnie - Since you intentionally don't attend a Christian church, what other aspects of Christanity do you feel are unnecessary? Have you been baptized? Are we commanded to be baptized?
Yes.
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#191214 - 08/15/10 07:38 AM
Re: NASA, NOAA, and SATAN
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Ronnie - Since you intentionally don't attend a Christian church, what other aspects of Christanity do you feel are unnecessary? Have you been baptized? Are we commanded to be baptized? Yes.
There's your answer.
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#191215 - 08/15/10 08:40 AM
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*cues spooky music...
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#191216 - 08/15/10 08:42 AM
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Didn't you tell me that on the other forum?
What? Could you point it out for me?
Are you plugged in?
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#191217 - 08/15/10 08:54 AM
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Didn't you tell me that on the other forum?
What? Could you point it out for me? Are you plugged in?
I guess not. It must have been someone else. I started the same topic on another forum. I'll post a link if you want me to. But I doubt if you'd be interested. I have received more response on the other thread though.
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#191218 - 08/15/10 09:04 AM
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Ghoti, do you wanna' see the responses I'm getting on the other forum? I've gotta' warn ya' though, many of the comments are negative.
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#191219 - 08/15/10 09:21 AM
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It must have been someone else. I started the same topic on another forum. I'll post a link if you want me to. But I doubt if you'd be interested. I have received more response on the other thread though.
Post the link, I'm interested.
Edited by corlorde (08/15/10 09:22 AM)
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#191220 - 08/15/10 09:33 AM
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it all ties in with the recent solar flares, Satan is in play
''...And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.'' -Luke 21:25-26
be not dettered ron by pagan worshippers and non-believers
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#191221 - 08/15/10 09:33 AM
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Ghoti, do you wanna' see the responses I'm getting on the other forum? I've gotta' warn ya' though, many of the comments are negative.
Sure, but what's the "other forum"?
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#191223 - 08/15/10 09:37 AM
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Sure, but what's the "other forum"?
I'd like to see it.
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#191224 - 08/15/10 09:41 AM
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It must have been someone else. I started the same topic on another forum. I'll post a link if you want me to. But I doubt if you'd be interested. I have received more response on the other thread though. Post the link, I'm interested.
http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?/topic/126966-satan/
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#191225 - 08/15/10 09:42 AM
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Uhh..huhh. Not what I had in mind, but okay.
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#191226 - 08/15/10 09:43 AM
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it all ties in with the recent solar flares, Satan is in play
''...And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.'' -Luke 21:25-26
be not dettered ron by pagan worshippers and non-believers
Thanks for that Greg.
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#191227 - 08/15/10 09:44 AM
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Thanks.
No, not me. I'm Ranger6 and corlorde pretty much everywhere.
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#191228 - 08/15/10 09:55 AM
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Thanks. No, not me. I'm Ranger6 and corlorde pretty much everywhere.
Copy that.
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#191229 - 08/15/10 10:02 AM
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so, lets cut to the chase ron, what do you KNOW that could enlighten us and WHO is behind it?
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#191230 - 08/15/10 11:23 AM
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I don't suppose that I know anything that is any more enlightening that the Word of God.
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#191232 - 08/15/10 12:33 PM
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I've gotta' warn ya' though, many of the comments are negative. Geeze, I wonder why?
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#191233 - 08/15/10 01:19 PM
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I don't suppose that I know anything that is any more enlightening that the Word of God.
that doesn't seem to fit with what you said on the other site:
question to Ron: Believer1997, on 14 August 2010 - 07:56 PM, said: Ronnie - Are you concerned that the space junk will fall on you? I think most people try to be aware of their surroundings - but I try not to worry about those things that are out of my control (i.e. space junk). I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Ron's reply: *sigh* No, that's not it. I'm not concerned at all because I know who's really in charge.
I was wondering whom is the "who" you are referring to, God?
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#191235 - 08/15/10 02:49 PM
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I don't suppose that I know anything that is any more enlightening that the Word of God. that doesn't seem to fit with what you said on the other site: question to Ron: Believer1997, on 14 August 2010 - 07:56 PM, said: Ronnie - Are you concerned that the space junk will fall on you? I think most people try to be aware of their surroundings - but I try not to worry about those things that are out of my control (i.e. space junk). I wouldn't worry too much about it. Ron's reply: *sigh* No, that's not it. I'm not concerned at all because I know who's really in charge. I was wondering whom is the "who" you are referring to, God?
It surely is.
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#191237 - 08/15/10 03:13 PM
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that is a cop out answer
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#191244 - 08/15/10 06:19 PM
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Matthew:22:31: But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, Matthew:22:32: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
That's the God that gives me understanding and He's the one that I worship.
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#191245 - 08/15/10 06:24 PM
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In looking over page one it seems you think NASA and NOLA are evil because they named some of their missions after mythiical gods. Correct?
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#191247 - 08/15/10 07:17 PM
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In looking over page one it seems you think NASA and NOLA are evil because they named some of their missions after mythiical gods. Correct?
They obviously dedicated their missions to these god's. It's not as if men don't still worship them.
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#191248 - 08/15/10 08:25 PM
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The only evil is intolerance. Ronnie = evil.
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#191250 - 08/15/10 09:10 PM
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Oh and speaking of mythical gods, meet the father, the son and the holy ghost.
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#191255 - 08/15/10 11:57 PM
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touche, shakey!
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#191258 - 08/16/10 05:20 AM
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The only evil is intolerance. Ronnie = evil.
Who told you that lie?
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#191259 - 08/16/10 07:45 AM
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In looking over page one it seems you think NASA and NOLA are evil because they named some of their missions after mythiical gods. Correct? They obviously dedicated their missions to these god's. It's not as if men don't still worship them. The missions were dedicated to science. The only thing "obvious" to me is you seeing Satan in everything beyond your understanding or experience.
BOO! LOL
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#191261 - 08/16/10 11:07 AM
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The only evil is intolerance. Ronnie = evil. Who told you that lie?
You obviously can't tell a lie from the truth.
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#191262 - 08/16/10 11:36 AM
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Ya know, all the planets and most of the moons and asteroids were named after Pagan gods and godesses, too. Does that mean the entire solar system is some evil conspiracy?
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#191264 - 08/16/10 01:12 PM
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Ya know, all the planets and most of the moons and asteroids were named after Pagan gods and godesses, too. Does that mean the entire solar system is some evil conspiracy?
Maybe, ghoti, it just may be. I'd be ignorant to think that satan isn't using star worship to divert people from the truth. After all, people are going to hell for that kind of thing everyday. It sounds like one of satan's tricks to me.
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#191265 - 08/16/10 01:13 PM
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In looking over page one it seems you think NASA and NOLA are evil because they named some of their missions after mythiical gods. Correct? They obviously dedicated their missions to these god's. It's not as if men don't still worship them. The missions were dedicated to science. The only thing "obvious" to me is you seeing Satan in everything beyond your understanding or experience. BOO! LOL
Can you say, rube?
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#191266 - 08/16/10 02:00 PM
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Yes, but with all this internet information at your fingertips, you don't have to maintain ignorance anymore...
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#191267 - 08/16/10 02:08 PM
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....After all, people are going to hell for that kind of thing everyday. ...
How can you presume to know who is going to hell?
That isn't your domain. It is God's.
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#191268 - 08/16/10 02:58 PM
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Yes, but with all this internet information at your fingertips, you don't have to maintain ignorance anymore...
Yes, internet information. That's a rich resource but some of it isn't worth anyone's time.
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#191269 - 08/16/10 03:05 PM
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....After all, people are going to hell for that kind of thing everyday. ... How can you presume to know who is going to hell? That isn't your domain. It is God's.
Isaiah:47:8: Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: Isaiah:47:9: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. Isaiah:47:10: For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me. Isaiah:47:11: Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know. Isaiah:47:12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Isaiah:47:13: Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isaiah:47:14: Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isaiah:47:15: Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.
Is that clear enough?
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#191270 - 08/16/10 03:12 PM
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Ronnie, it should be extremely clear to you that whatever message you feel you're trying to deliver it's getting a very poor reception, even from fellow Christians. A major part of it is that your method of persuasion is pretty unpalatable to most people.
It may well seem to you that some very precise answers have been revealed to you, but please recognize that your sole authority just isn't going to be compelling to others. Most adults have developed a spiritual position that they're comfortable with and aren't easily talked out of it.
You need to respect that before anyone will take you seriously. Most of us are here to discuss various aspects of spirituality rather than to preach and seek converts. If that approach is interesting to you then your opinions will be welcomed, otherwise expect the strong resistance you are getting from nearly all quarters to continue.
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#191271 - 08/16/10 05:52 PM
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I guess it will do no good if I point out to you that Isaiah is speaking directly to Babylon and predicting the rise & fall if their empire?
Isaiah 47:1 1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: [there is] no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate. Beside the fact that this empire came & went many, many years ago (as predicted in Isaiah 47), this is old covenent history and does not relate to Christians today, in any fashion.
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#191272 - 08/16/10 05:54 PM
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Yes, internet information. That's a rich resource but some of it isn't worth anyone's time.
As with all things...
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#191273 - 08/16/10 06:09 PM
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I guess it will do no good if I point out to you that Isaiah is speaking directly to Babylon and predicting the rise & fall if their empire? Isaiah 47:1 1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: [there is] no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate. Beside the fact that this empire came & went many, many years ago (as predicted in Isaiah 47), this is old covenent history and does not relate to Christians today, in any fashion.
No it wouldn't do you any good to tell me those things. And it wouldn't do me any good to explain prophecy in similitude to you and how this relates to our present day situation here in America.
Anyways, astrology is a sin and unrepentant sinners wind up in hell.
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#191275 - 08/16/10 06:42 PM
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lol...hell, like heaven, only exists in fantasy.
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#191276 - 08/16/10 06:45 PM
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lol...hell, like heaven, only exists in fantasy.
John:14:2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John:14:3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Matthew:10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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#191280 - 08/16/10 07:18 PM
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Anyways, astrology is a sin and unrepentant sinners wind up in hell.
Is Astronomy a sin also?
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#191283 - 08/16/10 08:01 PM
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lol...hell, like heaven, only exists in fantasy. John:14:2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John:14:3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Matthew:10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Quoting a bad novel does nothing to strengthen your case.
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#191287 - 08/16/10 08:54 PM
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....After all, people are going to hell for that kind of thing everyday. ... How can you presume to know who is going to hell? That isn't your domain. It is God's. Isaiah:47:8: Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: Isaiah:47:9: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. Isaiah:47:10: For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me. Isaiah:47:11: Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know. Isaiah:47:12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Isaiah:47:13: Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isaiah:47:14: Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isaiah:47:15: Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Is that clear enough?
It's clear you're a pretty lonely dude.
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#191289 - 08/16/10 09:57 PM
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He's gone round the bend! Astrology is a sin - I don't think God - who made the heavens - agrees with you.
BOO! LOL
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#191294 - 08/17/10 05:38 AM
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....After all, people are going to hell for that kind of thing everyday. ... How can you presume to know who is going to hell? That isn't your domain. It is God's. Isaiah:47:8: Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: Isaiah:47:9: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. Isaiah:47:10: For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me. Isaiah:47:11: Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know. Isaiah:47:12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Isaiah:47:13: Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Isaiah:47:14: Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isaiah:47:15: Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. Is that clear enough? It's clear you're a pretty lonely dude.
Yep, it's even more clear that you don't know anything about me but it makes you feel good to pretend that you do.
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#191295 - 08/17/10 05:44 AM
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He's gone round the bend! Astrology is a sin - I don't think God - who made the heavens - agrees with you.
BOO! LOL
You don't think that anyone agrees with me. It's because you don't know any better.
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#191296 - 08/17/10 06:38 AM
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He's gone round the bend! Astrology is a sin - I don't think God - who made the heavens - agrees with you.
BOO! LOL You don't think that anyone agrees with me. It's because you don't know any better.
If one person or one million agreed with you, you would still be a person who is spreading hate and fear, claiming to be a Christian to support your hate and fear. I doubt God is pleased with that - He still loves you in spite of your poor choices.
I recognize false teaching when I read it.
BOO!
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#191300 - 08/17/10 07:45 AM
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MerryA, you wouldn't recognize false teaching if God had someone write you a book explaining exactly what that is.
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#191303 - 08/17/10 11:06 AM
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He's gone round the bend! Astrology is a sin - I don't think God - who made the heavens - agrees with you.
BOO! LOL You don't think that anyone agrees with me. It's because you don't know any better.
oh sure... paulwa for one.
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#191304 - 08/17/10 11:09 AM
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Anyways, astrology is a sin and unrepentant sinners wind up in hell.
given all the people you've condemned thus far, hell's starting to look very crowded by now.
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#191305 - 08/17/10 11:20 AM
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Yep, it's even more clear that you don't know anything about me ...
And ... I'm pretty darn happy to keep it that way.
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#191307 - 08/17/10 01:17 PM
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MerryA, you wouldn't recognize false teaching if God had someone write you a book explaining exactly what that is. I've got several copies of the Book that explains exactly what false teaching is - the same one you pick and choose from to justify your hate and fear. The teachings of Christ are my guide, not a two-bit fear monger like you.
BOO!
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#191314 - 08/17/10 03:27 PM
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Ecclesiastes:7:5: It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
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#191316 - 08/17/10 03:45 PM
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Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Sounds like God's okay with it...
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#191317 - 08/17/10 04:06 PM
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Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Sounds like God's okay with it... [quote][/quote]
Signs, like signs that tell you what direction you are headed, as in navigation, sure He's okay with that, it's one of the reasons we have the heavenly bodies. Also they are for seasons, and for days, and for years. But they're not the signs of the zodiac. That's an abomination to God.
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#191322 - 08/17/10 05:14 PM
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Signs, like signs that tell you what direction you are headed, as in navigation, sure He's okay with that, it's one of the reasons we have the heavenly bodies. Also they are for seasons, and for days, and for years.
Besides your inability to place your Isaiah quotes in context and understand that the verses are specific to the Babylonian empire and not a condemnation of astrology, you forget the first visitors to worship baby Jesus were star gazers. It's an easy mistake to make when taking verses out of context. Wise men, Magi, star gazers were part of life in Jesus day and well respected.
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#191323 - 08/17/10 05:20 PM
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Even Jesus told us to watch the heavens: Luke 21 - 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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#191330 - 08/17/10 08:06 PM
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Ecclesiastes:7:5: It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools. Consider yourself rebuked.
BOO!
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#191343 - 08/18/10 08:05 AM
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Even Jesus told us to watch the heavens: Luke 21 - 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Where does this say to practice astrology to divine anything? All this says is that there will be obvious signs that are visible to men. It does not say to read your horoscope and to plan things around the movement of the stars. Nowhere in the Bible does God instruct people to plan their military movements or anything else based on the stars.
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Signs, like signs that tell you what direction you are headed, as in navigation, sure He's okay with that, it's one of the reasons we have the heavenly bodies. Also they are for seasons, and for days, and for years. But they're not the signs of the zodiac. That's an abomination to God.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" 2 Peter 2:1
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Signs, like signs that tell you what direction you are headed, as in navigation, sure He's okay with that, it's one of the reasons we have the heavenly bodies. Also they are for seasons, and for days, and for years. But they're not the signs of the zodiac. That's an abomination to God.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" 2 Peter 2:1
If you think that I've done something wrong then give me a chance to correct it before you condemn me,
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#191349 - 08/18/10 08:57 AM
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Signs, like signs that tell you what direction you are headed, as in navigation, sure He's okay with that, it's one of the reasons we have the heavenly bodies. Also they are for seasons, and for days, and for years. But they're not the signs of the zodiac. That's an abomination to God.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" 2 Peter 2:1 If you think that I've done something wrong then give me a chance to correct it before you condemn me,
Why should you get a chance when you are so quick to condemn?
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#191350 - 08/18/10 09:14 AM
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If you think that I've done something wrong then give me a chance to correct it before you condemn me,
You've shown your arrogance in speaking for God. I'm not you or God. It isn't my place to "condemn" you, or speak for God. Or yours but obviously, you have forgotten that. People who "know what God thinks" fly planes into buildings and park themselves by the funerals for Veterans. My tolerance for both kinds of "Holy rollers" is minimal. My opinion though, is this, based on your posts as I do not know you: you've lost something along the way. What that something is, I'm not privy to. That is your business. I think you know better than to say what God is ok with or not.
You're sounding more and more like a television Evangelist.
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#191354 - 08/18/10 10:08 AM
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Ronnie, I've asked you this several times now but you haven't answered - what exactly do you hope to accomplish by posting here? Are you trying to convert people to your beliefs or are you just trying to stir up controversy?
You do realize, I hope, that just coming here and making bold statements about your beliefs while disrespecting those of others will not convince anyone. If you want to stimulate discussion of your interpretation of spirituality you need to understand that we are adults who have mostly worked out views that we feel work perfectly well for ourselves and are not much interested in being converted.
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#191356 - 08/18/10 10:13 AM
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If you think that I've done something wrong then give me a chance to correct it before you condemn me,
we've been trying, but you're not listening.
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#191358 - 08/18/10 10:28 AM
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ronniechoate34
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Signs, like signs that tell you what direction you are headed, as in navigation, sure He's okay with that, it's one of the reasons we have the heavenly bodies. Also they are for seasons, and for days, and for years. But they're not the signs of the zodiac. That's an abomination to God.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" 2 Peter 2:1 If you think that I've done something wrong then give me a chance to correct it before you condemn me, Why should you get a chance when you are so quick to condemn?
On second thought, forget it.
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#191362 - 08/18/10 10:49 AM
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flicka
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It does not say to read your horoscope and to plan things around the movement of the stars. Astrology was a different animal in Jesus time than it is today. But you are wrong in thinking we aren't supposed to plan things around the movement of the 'stars'(planets). The magi followed a wandering star to find the baby Jesus.
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#191363 - 08/18/10 11:00 AM
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ronniechoate34
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It does not say to read your horoscope and to plan things around the movement of the stars. Astrology was a different animal in Jesus time than it is today. But you are wrong in thinking we aren't supposed to plan things around the movement of the 'stars'(planets). The magi followed a wandering star to find the baby Jesus.
No astrology wasn't different in Jesus' time. And the wise men followed a sign that God placed in heaven.
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#191364 - 08/18/10 11:02 AM
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Ronnie, I've asked you this several times now but you haven't answered - what exactly do you hope to accomplish by posting here? Are you trying to convert people to your beliefs or are you just trying to stir up controversy?
You do realize, I hope, that just coming here and making bold statements about your beliefs while disrespecting those of others will not convince anyone. If you want to stimulate discussion of your interpretation of spirituality you need to understand that we are adults who have mostly worked out views that we feel work perfectly well for ourselves and are not much interested in being converted.
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#191367 - 08/18/10 11:16 AM
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It does not say to read your horoscope and to plan things around the movement of the stars. Astrology was a different animal in Jesus time than it is today. But you are wrong in thinking we aren't supposed to plan things around the movement of the 'stars'(planets). The magi followed a wandering star to find the baby Jesus. No astrology wasn't different in Jesus' time. And the wise men followed a sign that God placed in heaven.
what's the difference?
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#191372 - 08/18/10 12:50 PM
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ronniechoate34
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What's the difference between what?
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#191375 - 08/18/10 01:11 PM
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flicka
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There is none. Ron is imagining something that isn't there.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And the wise men followed a sign that God placed in heaven.
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#191378 - 08/18/10 01:24 PM
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Using the stars to tell time is acceptable, but, using the stars to draw up the signs signs of the zodiac isn't acceptable to the Lord. The sign that you are born under means absolutely nothing. But I'll guarantee you this, lies and deception have crept into your life if you pay heed to such rubbish as your horoscope.
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#191380 - 08/18/10 01:34 PM
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Ronnie, I've asked you this several times now but you haven't answered - what exactly do you hope to accomplish by posting here? Are you trying to convert people to your beliefs or are you just trying to stir up controversy?
You do realize, I hope, that just coming here and making bold statements about your beliefs while disrespecting those of others will not convince anyone. If you want to stimulate discussion of your interpretation of spirituality you need to understand that we are adults who have mostly worked out views that we feel work perfectly well for ourselves and are not much interested in being converted.
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#191381 - 08/18/10 01:55 PM
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flicka
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Planting crops according to the moon & planets was one of the original purposes of the zodiac. The practice is still used by farmers. The zodiac is also a system used for coordinates...still in use to a certain extent.
Ronnie, do you think astronomy is a sin, also?
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#191383 - 08/18/10 02:07 PM
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starlight.2
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Ronnie, do you think astronomy is a sin, also?
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#191406 - 08/18/10 05:49 PM
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ronniechoate34
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I don't know if astronomy is a sin, and I doubt if planting based on the patterns of the sky is a sin because the stars are for seasons and etc.
Ghoti, I am simply posting what I believe to be the truth.
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#191411 - 08/18/10 06:37 PM
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flicka
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So, the only thing you see wrong with astrology is the horoscope gig?
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#191421 - 08/19/10 05:48 AM
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ronniechoate34
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So, the only thing you see wrong with astrology is the horoscope gig?
Yeah that, and a some other little tricks that are used by occultists and witches.
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#191422 - 08/19/10 09:11 AM
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starlight.2
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So, the only thing you see wrong with astrology is the horoscope gig? Yeah that, and a some other little tricks that are used by occultists and witches.
such as...?
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#191425 - 08/19/10 09:47 AM
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flicka
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So, the only thing you see wrong with astrology is the horoscope gig? Yeah that, and a some other little tricks that are used by occultists and witches. Why condemn the entire field because of a few bad actors?
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#191437 - 08/19/10 12:26 PM
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ghoti
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Ronnie, I've asked you this several times now but you haven't answered - what exactly do you hope to accomplish by posting here? Are you trying to convert people to your beliefs or are you just trying to stir up controversy?
You do realize, I hope, that just coming here and making bold statements about your beliefs while disrespecting those of others will not convince anyone. If you want to stimulate discussion of your interpretation of spirituality you need to understand that we are adults who have mostly worked out views that we feel work perfectly well for ourselves and are not much interested in being converted.
You still just avoid answering this.
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#191445 - 08/19/10 04:42 PM
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Astrology is not a sin.
Astrology does not tell the future any more than the weather man does. It doesn't tell people what to do but, like the weather man, lets them know what energies are in play - watch for disturbances in money matters, take an umbrella.
Everyone has free will - astrology simply reads the patterns that God created and lets us know what the "weather" is like.
The stuff in the paper is silly - a natal chart and a daily chart is required for any meaningful information.
I used to do charts, a lifetime ago. The moon controls the tides and the sap in trees - God intended the gravitational pull of the planets to have an effect on us.
It is not a sin to watch the planets, it is not a sin to use the gifts God gave us.
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