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#191064 - 08/11/10 11:57 AM The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	The guy from the Fox tv show Redeye is backing a countermove to the mosque. He has emailed them and twittered them telling them his plans and their only response was that he should go ahead but it would not be conducive to dialogue..oh yeah? I bet there will be loads of dialogue if they go ahead. Greg s gasthering financial backers to build adjoining property with an Islamic Gay Bar. It will feature 72 Virgin non alcoholic drinks as Muslims do not drink alcohol. We will see how the Sharia law followers react to that. On another floor I think ythey were talking about serving Jewish? foods and one of his guests said she would financially support sa pork distributorship there also. I am going to tell them my choice for a name for this establishment..how about ""The Gay Porker"" oh hee hee..hoo ha...We need to put a monkey wrench in Islams plans to desecrate our cemetary of American dead and others. There is no way this is a benign application and once a mosque is up it is perpetual and will never be removed which is Islams plans for Americas acceptsance of sharia law for all and death to all other religions. Don't argue with me I know this is true and is in their permanent lans to take over the world with their bastard laws. Women your days of freedom are numbered with this evil religions potential. Paul
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#191065 - 08/11/10 12:28 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
Greg Greg Member Registered: 08/20/05 Posts: 10000	While trying to stop building the mosque for biggoted reasons will fail I do think it is a good idea to have a full inquiry (even if behind the scenes) into the planning, mission statement and financial support for this project. Who knows, maybe allowing Muslims to come out of the shadows and enlighten everyone on their real beliefs and integration into day to day american life might lead to a better understanding of their faith. Shine the light, don't hide from it. Paulwa- how would Jesus have advocated? Edited by Greg (08/11/10 12:30 PM)
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#191068 - 08/11/10 01:42 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Greg]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	John Stewart talked about it on the Daily Show last night. The mosque is actually being moved into a vacant building two blocks from where the twin towers stood. Seems silly to say they're violating hallowed ground in that location, and there's an existing mosque just 4 blocks from ground zero that was there before the twin towers were ever built. The government has no business interfering with the free exercise of any religion, just as religion should not interfere with government. _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191075 - 08/11/10 03:15 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Greg, Jesus would have told all Islamists to believe in Him because He is the only way to God and heaven and that they will be totally lost without His salvation. And He would say one day no mosques would stand on this earth. He would tell them to repent aznd follow Him. Ghoti it is thinking like you just exhibited that could lead all humannity into Islamist captivity or death. Paul Edited by Paulwa_dup1 (08/11/10 03:20 PM)
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#191079 - 08/11/10 03:52 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Paulwa, if we all believed as you do we'd usher in a new variety of Christian tyranny that would rival the Inquision of the middle ages. I'm opposed to religious extremism and intolerance of EVERY form - both Islamic and Christian. _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191082 - 08/11/10 04:29 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 Women your days of freedom are numbered with this evil religions potential. I don't plan on converting any time soon. _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191083 - 08/11/10 04:48 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
ronniechoate34 ronniechoate34 Member Registered: 02/06/10 Posts: 540 Loc: tennerida	A Mosque near ground zero. My, my, someone is truly pushing some buttons in America. I wonder if they're trying to find the one that drives people over the edge. I don't want to point any fingers but if civil war broke out there are people who would benefit from it. Would they use the media to stir the pot? Yup, they would.
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#191084 - 08/11/10 04:51 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
inkblister inkblister Member Registered: 08/26/04 Posts: 231 Loc: Land of Debris...	Well, I'm not going to argue about the "truth" of your conspiracy paulwa... I don't need to as it is more than obvious it is meerly the frightened rantings of a weak and easily manipulated delusional mind... Your post wasn't nearly as funny or clever as even a schoolyard fart joke... I just wanted to congradulate you on managing to prove once and for all that you are EXACTLY like the extremists you supposedly are against... Homophobic (just like in their and your religion), terroristic (the "need to put a monkey wrench" in their plans), paranoid (fear of having another religion forced upon them and the desicration of sacred sites), and racist/bigoted (the overall undertone of many of your religious and political posts)... You have met the enemy and they are you... Extremists like you and they are just clones of a different color... If you're so proud about American "freedom" then why don't they have the "freedom" to build their mosque where they wish if they can afford to?... Or is your version of American "freedom" only reserved for a select group?... If so then you can't really say America is "the land of the free" can you?... _________________________ I'm not outnumbered... I have a wide target selection...
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#191087 - 08/11/10 06:22 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ronniechoate34]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34 I don't want to point any fingers but if civil war broke out there are people who would benefit from it. Who, pray tell? _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191097 - 08/11/10 09:54 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Like my ole granpappy allus said, " Your freedom ends, sir..where my nose begins!!" He was right on! Paul
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#191143 - 08/13/10 01:20 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
inkblister inkblister Member Registered: 08/26/04 Posts: 231 Loc: Land of Debris...	So according to your grandfather's logic it's perfectly acceptable for them to build the mosque... cool... Edited by inkblister (08/13/10 01:21 AM) _________________________ I'm not outnumbered... I have a wide target selection...
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#191154 - 08/13/10 12:33 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: inkblister]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	I think they want to build the mosque on America's nose, sir!
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#191156 - 08/13/10 12:41 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
Greg Greg Member Registered: 08/20/05 Posts: 10000	Paulwa, do you think you would have made a good founding father? eta hee hee Edited by Greg (08/13/10 01:01 PM)
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#191158 - 08/13/10 03:10 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Greg]
inkblister inkblister Member Registered: 08/26/04 Posts: 231 Loc: Land of Debris...	So if freedom ends where the nose begins, then you're saying there is no freedom in America?... Edited by inkblister (08/13/10 03:11 PM) _________________________ I'm not outnumbered... I have a wide target selection...
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#191286 - 08/16/10 08:37 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: inkblister]
Paul I Paul I Member Registered: 02/24/00 Posts: 7913	Someone commented what if the Japanese wanted to build a temple along Pearl Harbor? Will We be allowed to inspect the place for possible terrorist activities _________________________ "...only the shadow knows"
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#191297 - 08/17/10 06:45 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paul I]
MerryA MerryA Member Registered: 01/10/04 Posts: 10887 Loc: Tennessee	I honestly don't understand why some feel that building a community center BLOCKS from the gapping hole dishonors anyone. Did the Muslims in New York who want to build this on PRIVATE property have anything to do with 9/11? Are the Muslims in New York who want to build this terrorists? Do they have links to terrorists? Islam is the not the enemy - terrorists are. If the Japanese wanted to build a temple aong Pearl Harbor ON PRIVATE property, we would have no right to inspect the place for possible terrorist activities without probable cause.. _________________________ "I was curious. Since I'm not a cat, that's not dangerous." - Greg House 76.22.172.94
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#191299 - 08/17/10 07:36 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: MerryA]
Greg Greg Member Registered: 08/20/05 Posts: 10000	There are quite a few who believe and others who exploit the idea that the "west" is at war with Islam and vice versa. I even remember this mantra being expressed, by otherwise sane people, here, on NM. One could get a chuckle ,if it weren't so pathetic, when the "radical imam" heading the mosque was shown doing a past interview on Fox preaching tolerance.
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#191443 - 08/19/10 03:39 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Greg]
inkblister inkblister Member Registered: 08/26/04 Posts: 231 Loc: Land of Debris...	Actually, there are several Japanese Shinto Shrines and Buddhist Temples already around Pearl Harbor, such as the Kotohira Jinsha Temple and the Izumo Taishakyo Mission... Those knee-jerk reactionary talking heads (Beck, Rush, et al.) should do a little research before opening their mouths... In Nagasaki, Japan, there is the Urakami Cathedral (one of Japan's largest christian churches) just a few hundred feet from "ground zero"... One of it's stained glass windows actually portrays an atomic explosion to remind worshipers of the horrors of the event and to embrace peace... _________________________ I'm not outnumbered... I have a wide target selection...
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#191483 - 08/20/10 04:24 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: inkblister]
Paul I Paul I Member Registered: 02/24/00 Posts: 7913	OK, forget about my analogy about Pearl Harbor. I was uninformed when I came up with that. What is interesting and frustrating about issues such as the mosque is how quickly people take sides and as more and more information becomes available they seldom change their positions. If I recall correctly the first word of this was about a mosque to be built "at" ground zero. _________________________ "...only the shadow knows"
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#191491 - 08/20/10 09:08 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paul I]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paul I OK, forget about my analogy about Pearl Harbor. I was uninformed when I came up with that. See how powerful the spin can be when you really stop & think about it? We have all been subtly ingrained with the idea that we are at war with the Muslim religion. Logically we know it's not true, but it still creeps into our psyches. I don't think you really believe we are at war with the whole of the Muslim religion, yet your analogy considered the religion equal to a country with which we went to war. Once in a while I wonder if the last 10 years have been nothing more than a cosmic joke. Ten years ago, we were arguing over hanging chads and discussing California Representative Gary Contit's affair & connection with murder victim, Chandra Levy. Enter 9-11-01. We invade & occupy two Muslim countries, topple governments, allow the Iraqi people to try & execute their former dictator, Saddam Hussein, and pump billions of dollars and military lives into these Muslim countries; thereby, lifting up & liberating the populations. As the wars continue, we kill & are killed by Muslims. November 2008 and the American people elect an unknown politician, the first black man to achieve the position of President of the United States. In a bizarre twist of coincidence, this black man's name is Barack Hussein Obama. Now, our country is deep in debt. Our populations are losing jobs, houses, retirement benefits, etc. Anger is mounting toward the President & his administration. People believe he isn't our legitimate president, that he was born over seas. And that he's Muslim. So, it comes as no surprise to those who have unfounded hatred for his presidency, that the black man would want to build a mosque on ground zero...that he would use his power to support our enemies, because one in five of us believe he is Muslim and taking down our country from the top. Edited by flicka (08/20/10 09:12 PM) _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191715 - 08/25/10 11:10 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Whenever Muslim/Islam conquers a country they build a big beautiful mosque such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and in other places to mark that country as conquered..now though we haven't been conquered as yet they want to mark us as conquered to boost the sagging ego's of the jihaders and give them the heart to keep on fighting for Allah and Islam. And most Americans are so devastatingly stupid and ignorant of Islamist goals and aims as to allow this to happen. Most Americans who want this have the brains of a slug and are being laughed to hell by these terrorist bastards who God will one day destroy where they stand. Their eyes and tongues will dissolve in their mouths from the fire power of God, right where they stand. It is what the bible says ver batem! Mayor Bloomberg of NY is the biggest of the asses touting for this Ground Zero Mosque not realizing the goal of Islam for building this atrocity and has the mind of a slug he is so stupid!! It is good I don't really open up and say what I think about this Muslim crap!!:-) Paul
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#191716 - 08/25/10 11:11 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Whenever Muslim/Islam conquers a country they build a big beautiful mosque such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and in other places to mark that country as conquered..now though we haven't been conquered as yet they want to mark us as conquered to boost the sagging ego's of the jihaders and give them the heart to keep on fighting for Allah and Islam. And most Americans are so devastatingly stupid and ignorant of Islamist goals and aims as to allow this to happen. Most Americans who want this have the brains of a slug and are being laughed to hell by these terrorist bastards who God will one day destroy where they stand. Their eyes and tongues will dissolve in their mouths from the fire power of God, right where they stand. It is what the bible says ver batem! Mayor Bloomberg of NY is the biggest of the asses touting for this Ground Zero Mosque not realizing the goal of Islam for building this atrocity and has the mind of a slug he is so stupid!! It is good I don't really open up and say what I think about this Muslim crap!!:-) Paul
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#191718 - 08/25/10 11:31 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 Most Americans who want this have the brains of a slug and are being laughed to hell by these terrorist bastards who God will one day destroy where they stand. The 14th amendment to our constitution was adopted in 1868. Why should we care if these terrorist bastards think our constitution is humorous? _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191723 - 08/25/10 11:55 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	They don't think our constitution is humerous..only the ignorant idiots who don't want to follow it in America and say give the slamists what they want because if we don't their rights under the constitution will be broken..there is a bird in our creation who comes in and takes over another bird pairs nest. Kills their eggs or chicks and substitutes their own babies in the nest to be raised by the original pair of birds and runs them ragged and to death trying to feed those offspring by the bird terrorists. That is kind of what slam is trying to do to America right now. If there are enough Americans stupid enough to allow it ...they will succeed and the big Ground Zero Mosque will be their tombstone. Paul
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#191728 - 08/25/10 12:21 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 They don't think our constitution is humerous..only the ignorant idiots who don't want to follow it in America and say give the slamists what they want because if we don't their rights under the constitution will be broken.. The ignorant idiots who don' want to follow our constitution are those who are conjuring up hysteria about this community center. _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191730 - 08/25/10 12:28 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	If they build it.. they will come..rolling over us with tanks missles and swords because they have won a toehold on a country who has given up. But God's church won't be here to see it happen. We will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb according to the bible. Que Se ra se ra..or whatever. Paul
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#191735 - 08/25/10 01:00 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Paulwa, there are 5 million Islamic people in the US and the vast majority are loyal citizens. Many of them have been here for several generations. Do you really think they're all out to destroy our country? Edited by ghoti (08/25/10 01:01 PM) _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191737 - 08/25/10 01:23 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 If they build it.. they will come..rolling over us with tanks missles and swords because they have won a toehold on a country who has given up. We gave up in 1868? I think not. These are the things that make US great. When did you give up on our country? _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191738 - 08/25/10 03:13 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: ghoti Paulwa, there are 5 million Islamic people in the US and the vast majority are loyal citizens. Many of them have been here for several generations. "The American Mohammed Society" was established in 1907 in Brooklyn, NY. The first mosque was established in 1915 in Biddeford, Maine. In 1920, The first Ahmadiyya Muslim missionary, Dr. Mufti Muhammad Sadiq arrived in America. Muslims in America _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191770 - 08/26/10 01:18 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	To a Christian Islam is a cancer, because of its silent deadliness. Islam is out to take over the world by whatever means it can. Christanity only wants individuals to see Christ and to make a personal choice without any retributiion if the poerson doesn't. Islam at ts final point wants to behead unbelievers and to eradicate them. That is why they want to eradcate Israel because Judaism and Christianity oppose theiir weak little pathetic book of koran andf a god who does not care about them but only uses them as a killng tool for his own purpose and in truth he is only a figment of Mohhameds imagination because Mohhamed turned on the true God of Israel and created Allah to replace the true creator of this world and existance. Paul
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#191773 - 08/26/10 01:33 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Paulwa, you are equating being a fundamentalist Christian with being a loyal US citizen, and that's a huge mistake. Our constitution very specifically states that there shall be no religious test to hold any office anywhere in our country. There's absolutely no reason a person couldn't be a devout Muslim and still be president or hold any other office as long as they swear to uphold the constitution. If you don't agree with that then YOU'RE the one who isn't staying true to the wishes of the founding fathers. _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191775 - 08/26/10 01:43 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
soda soda Member Registered: 08/26/07 Posts: 4726	ppl like paul are the reason why i hate all organized religion. mine is right; yours is wrong. _________________________ 67.87.81.12
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#191778 - 08/26/10 02:19 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 To a Christian Islam is a cancer, because of its silent deadliness. Not to this Christian. I don't hold this belief. I know many other Christians who don't believe this way. You are bearing false witness. _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191793 - 08/26/10 06:42 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Well if that is the way you all feel that is fine. My beliefs carry me away from all this hullabalou. All I can do is wish you the best fortune. Don't know why I feel it necessary to wrap myself up in this misery anyway. Just hate to see people marching over a cliff without warnng them. That is my perception of what is taking place soon. Ciou Paul
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#191798 - 08/26/10 06:56 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Paulwa, you just seem consumed by fear lately. Please stop burying yourself in whatever you're watching or reading and just get out and interact witth nature and the real world. I think you'll see that things are going along pretty much the way they always have, and the sky isn't falling. Even if you're right, what possible good does it do to keep obsessing about it? _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191805 - 08/26/10 07:14 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	I am not fearful, just angry with our government and its direction. I am angry about the Mosque being placed so close to ground zero because I percieve it to be a Moslem slap in the face and they don't even give a damn how we feel!!! It is enough almost to cause Americans to rise up in arms with all that this is growing into and I don't like to see that happen here on American ground. It may just be the way things are and no one can do anything about it but suffer its fallout. Paul
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#191807 - 08/26/10 07:38 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 It is enough almost to cause Americans to rise up in arms with all that this is growing into and I don't like to see that happen here on American ground. It wouldn't be a new thing. That was part of our foundation. Weren't you advocating for us to follow our constitution not too long ago? The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the establishment of a national religion by the Congress or the preference of one religion over another, non-religion over religion, or religion over non-religion. Why are you suddenly so eager to go against our Bill of Rights? _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191813 - 08/26/10 08:31 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Because I am totally convinced Islamists are out to get the upper hand of America by twisting our own constitution and bill of rights against us legally and it pisses me off at their filthy arrogance and they will succeed because of the iidiocy of some people who refuse to see their underhandedness. There maybe millons of peacefull followers of Islam around the world right now, but if they follow the koran to the letter (and it is very likely they will one day) they will turn on all other religions to wipe them out and to take over their countries. Nothing will convince me otherwise, they are just waiting for the right population ratio's to kick in. Paul
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#191819 - 08/26/10 09:01 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Paulwa, I remember people saying those exact same things back in the 50's and 60's except the fear was communism instead of radical Islam. We survived communism and we'll survive this, too. Try to have a little faith in your country and it's leadership instead of being so negative. _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191821 - 08/26/10 09:06 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	When our government starts making movements in the right direction I will get behind it. Tiill then they are just abunch of outlaws and hi jackers of our country. Sure has stirred up Americans for once! Paul
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#191822 - 08/26/10 09:59 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
Lola Lola Member Registered: 03/17/05 Posts: 5944	Originally Posted By: ghoti Try to have a little faith in your country and it's leadership instead of being so negative. AMEN!!! ps: *its, no ' needed.
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#191827 - 08/26/10 11:35 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 Nothing will convince me otherwise, You have allowed the terrorists to win. _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191828 - 08/26/10 11:45 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 Because I am totally convinced Islamists are out to get the upper hand of America by twisting our own constitution and bill of rights against us legally and it pisses me off at their filthy arrogance and they will succeed because of the iidiocy of some people who refuse to see their underhandedness. If the Mormons decided to build a temple in the location, would it be okay? _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191833 - 08/27/10 06:09 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ævory ævory Member Registered: 04/04/05 Posts: 9657	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 Because I am totally convinced Islamists are out to get the upper hand of America by twisting our own constitution and bill of rights against us legally and it pisses me off at their filthy arrogance and they will succeed because of the iidiocy of some people who refuse to see their underhandedness. There maybe millons of peacefull followers of Islam around the world right now, but if they follow the koran to the letter (and it is very likely they will one day) they will turn on all other religions to wipe them out and to take over their countries. Nothing will convince me otherwise, they are just waiting for the right population ratio's to kick in. Paul Paul, I don't necessarily think things will go that far but I DON'T put Anything past the possibility...I mean, I think anything is concievably possible. I also live in the bible belt now so it was shocking to me to find how people so openly talk about the bible here and their religions. Yet, we are a moving country and so wherever you live, there is a huge diversity of folk. As it is here where I live. I listen and I know from past and present that many (most) of the older generation are way way more leary of the direction our country is going in than the younger generation. And, for good reason. We gotta listen to 'em. They are no dumbies. Heck, I guess i think anything is possible cus ....for one, I broke my neck. Who in a million years would have imagined myself breaking her neck? never...and those of you who also broke your back or your neck, I'm sure you think the same. And from my remembrance of those who have zero faith in our doctors to care for us in all of our various ways....there has been little ...almost ZERO good to be said of the medical profession. I've put my very little 2cents in for the positive....and I am the only one I can think of who has. faith and belief and trust...it comes in all various forms and amts., per person and nobody can say who (esPecially on a messageboard on the internet) is happy or who is sad or who is paranoid or who is this or that. YOU don't KNOW. because you don't know and live with each other, nor know each others' pasts or present conditions, family dynamics, etc etc. I tire of the 'personal' attachments (putdowns) that follow a posting of belief/thinking/opinion. If some one says something on this board, it is going to stand as tall as anothers' posting. You aren't going to eliminate it. And you don't help someone by trying to change their beliefs. Or giving them advice about your interpretation of their beliefs. All you can do is post your own. Don't do what you don't want done to yourself.
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#191836 - 08/27/10 07:34 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
Greg Greg Member Registered: 08/20/05 Posts: 10000	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 When our government starts making movements in the right direction I will get behind it. Tiill then they are just abunch of outlaws and hi jackers of our country. Sure has stirred up Americans for once! Paul I am starting to hope Sarah Palin wins in 2012. Then there would be an awakening!
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#191837 - 08/27/10 07:52 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Greg]
kan5a5 kan5a5 Member Registered: 07/27/01 Posts: 13311 Loc: kan5a5	more and more i hear, 'you can't change my beliefs,' as if it's something to be proud of. spirituality, religion was once a path of discovery, of growth and movement, not minimal sound bite set maintainence and defense. our country is becoming the most spiritually stupid place on earth. you should want those that the infinite has placed in your life to be transformational. you should want people to change your beliefs. it's called learning. Edited by kan5a5 (08/27/10 07:54 AM) _________________________
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#191842 - 08/27/10 09:02 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: kan5a5]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Personally, I find it boring to just talk to people who totally agree with me on everything. I have learned FAR more from people who disagree, as long as the conversations can stay reasonably civil. If I hold a belief or idea that I can't defend when it's questioned by others then I definitely need to rethink my positions. _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191843 - 08/27/10 09:07 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: kan5a5]
Greg Greg Member Registered: 08/20/05 Posts: 10000	The politicalization of religon by Bush, Palin and those beholding to the Christain right I find disgusting, the amplification of the terrorism by Bush/Cheney to be a religous expression by Islam transformed what should have been a criminal issue into a religous crusade. It is no suprise to me a NYC cabbie was knifed by a drunken "true christain" for the sole reason he was a Muslim.
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#191852 - 08/27/10 12:11 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Greg]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	I can see no good whatsoever coming from our government..it is a hopeless transformation taking place. A destruction of America. True it did need some real change but only a change rooted in cleaning up capitalism from the thugs robbing Americans who have taken root inour government. We have just changed capitalistic thugs for progressive liberal thugs out of Chicago. It is just like the thugs who have taken over many of Amerca's labor unions that have brought down America's dreams and turned them into nightmares. When it comes down to illegal imigration I would choose Mexico over Arab/Islam any day. America as we know it from its glorious past has disappeared forever. Paul
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#191854 - 08/27/10 01:12 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
Greg Greg Member Registered: 08/20/05 Posts: 10000	Capitalist thugs, commie progressives, nightmare unionists, subversive muslims, alien invaders. Where have all the "real" americans gone? Time to pack up the motorhome, grab the missus and head for a small cabin where you can write your manifesto.
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#191855 - 08/27/10 03:16 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 America as we know it from its glorious past has disappeared forever. They haven't confiscated our gold yet... _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191866 - 08/27/10 07:05 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Better bury it Flicka, Obieama is going to be looking for every sheckel he can find to make government payroll soon. We be going broke very fast now. Did you see where our beloved incumbents have voted themselves a nice raise in both houses? But nothing for the sheep. Let them eat grassroots and some others can just smoke it and let the world go by in a purple haze.:-) Paul
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#191871 - 08/27/10 09:35 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka flicka Member Registered: 04/06/00 Posts: 24616 Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142	Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1 Better bury it Flicka, Wouldn't matter, Paul, they know where it is at. They'll just inform us to deliver it all by a certain date like they did in 1933. _________________________ "A lot of things were acceptable--until we stopped accepting it." -- Al Sharpton '12
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#191879 - 08/27/10 10:34 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: flicka]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Hammer it into bracelets, Flicka and tell them it was stolen.:-)
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#191880 - 08/27/10 10:37 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ghoti ghoti Member Registered: 04/06/02 Posts: 8469 Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255	Having gold will do you no good if the country ever spiralled into total chaos. Once people found out you have it, a mob would just come and kill you and take it away. _________________________ Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
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#191886 - 08/28/10 08:05 AM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: ghoti]
MerryA MerryA Member Registered: 01/10/04 Posts: 10887 Loc: Tennessee	Poor Paulwa and other conservatives. Change is scary, even when change is necessary to survive. This administration - thank God! - is focusing on being responsible to individuals instead of businesses. It is dramatic and many people are terrified - especially the power brokers. Not new, it happens when a stong forward thinking progressive gets into office - FDR, Kennedy/Johnson ... now Obama. Fasten your seat belts, its gonna be a bumpy ride! _________________________ "I was curious. Since I'm not a cat, that's not dangerous." - Greg House 76.22.172.94
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#191888 - 08/28/10 12:23 PM Re: The Ground Zero Mosque..hee hee [Re: MerryA]
Paulwa_dup1 Paulwa_dup1 Member Registered: 02/12/05 Posts: 4951 Loc: Washington	Forget the short bumpy ride the quickly coming crash will be devastating and painful! Paul
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