#190597 - 08/03/10 05:42 PM
In What Ways...
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ævory
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is The Old Testament irrelevant in todays' world.
And in what ways is The Old Testament relevant, today?
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#190598 - 08/03/10 05:55 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Interesting question.
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#190599 - 08/03/10 06:12 PM
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I think the Old Testament is completely irrelevant to Christians. It does contain some relevant history, however.
I think the Old Testament is completely relevant to those of the Jewish & Muslim religions. It contains laws for them.
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#190600 - 08/03/10 06:16 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Well that's just nuts. Have you actually read the Bible? 
Edited by ronniechoate34 (08/03/10 06:17 PM)
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#190601 - 08/03/10 06:26 PM
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flicka
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Yes. What's your thoughts on the original post?
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#190605 - 08/03/10 07:10 PM
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ronniechoate34
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I don't prefer to get involved. Besides that I think that I've made myself clear in previous postings.
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#190608 - 08/03/10 07:55 PM
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ævory
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Thanks, flicka, I'm of the belief that it is relevant today. The Old Testament seems to me to be so much more focused on revering (is that the word) God. When I was a really young girl I struggled with the "put God first....even before your love for your parents. And I learned what that meant to me. Today, I say, "God, I love you." so much more often than I use to. I don't think I really said it but a time or two Ever, in the past.
So, to me, it's like....today kids don't respect elders quite like they use to. And so many things have changed to the point where (maybe I'm just really getting old, lol) what use to be important, and taught...just isn't anymore, or isn't thought about much because of the faster pace of life, and other factors.
Even if the new covenant was intended to replace the old, I can't think why it should be discarded or put on a shelf, history aside.
Anyway, so much to think about...
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#190609 - 08/03/10 07:56 PM
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The old testament is relevent tomodern day christians. Many of the laws pertain to us also while much is aimed directly at Israel. It gives us the foundation for our christian beliefs and the history that leads to christanity. But largely it is loaded with prophecies that centuries later came to pass exactly as prophecied. Reading the old testament builds our faith in God and what He says. Christians believe God wrote the bible Hmself for us. The first five books of the old testament known to Jews as the Torah was dictated letter by letter to Moses on Mount Sinai by God Himself without punctuation, chapter or verse interuption in the Hebrew language. The old testament pointed the way to Jesus Christ the son of God and the new testament whiich was written by God's holy Spirit through the Apostles in the form of writings and letters to the churchs. Like have said before I believe the entire modern bible is Gods sieve that retains those who are obedient and love God and those who turn against God or His rules fall through the sieve wthout any change in their unbelief of God. It is a sieve, seperater using the sharp edge of the holy word that God says is sharper than any two edged sword. It is the seperator of the sheep and the goats. Jesus is known as the good shepherd of the sheep who know His voice and he is not a goat herder. Yes the Old testament is very relevant to our bible. By most christians belief.
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#190610 - 08/03/10 07:57 PM
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ævory
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I don't prefer to get involved. Besides that I think that I've made myself clear in previous postings.
Others have made yourself clear, but if you don't care to say why you focus entirely on the Old T. then that's your call.
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#190614 - 08/03/10 09:12 PM
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Even if the new covenant was intended to replace the old, I can't think why it should be discarded or put on a shelf, history aside.
You are correct that our generations are losing reverence/respect in general. I always made sure to adher to the old testament "spare the rod, spoil the child" adage. :-)Maybe the new testament uses timeouts?
Seriously though, I believe that Jesus taught us how we must act under the new covenant when he said:
Matthew 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus did repeat the commandments to us and even told us about the two greatest commandments of all.
Matthew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Edited by flicka (08/03/10 09:13 PM)
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#190620 - 08/04/10 05:54 AM
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I don't prefer to get involved. Besides that I think that I've made myself clear in previous postings. Others have made yourself clear, but if you don't care to say why you focus entirely on the Old T. then that's your call.
I don't focus entirely on the Old Testament. But it is relevant to Christians today. God never changes and people seem to think that Jesus is not the same God that manifested Himself to the people of the Old Testament, but He is.
Edited by ronniechoate34 (08/04/10 05:56 AM)
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#190621 - 08/04/10 05:57 AM
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I don't focus entirely on the Old Testament. But it is relevant to Christians today. God never changes and people seem to think that Jesus is not the same God that manifested Himself to the people of the Old Testament, but He is.
There are distinct difference between the Old and New Testament. God went from vengenful to loving with swift strokes of man's 'pens'. Why?
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#190624 - 08/04/10 06:10 AM
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I don't focus entirely on the Old Testament. But it is relevant to Christians today. God never changes and people seem to think that Jesus is not the same God that manifested Himself to the people of the Old Testament, but He is.
There are distinct difference between the Old and New Testament. God went from vengenful to loving with swift strokes of man's 'pens'. Why?
No he didn't.
2Thessalonians:1:3: We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Thessolonians:1:4: So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Thessalonians:1:5: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Thessalonians:1:6: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Thessalonians:1:7: And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Thessalonians:1:8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Thessalonians:1:9: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Thessalonians:1:10: When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
There's more. Do you wanna read about it? I can post many references to the coming destruction of those who don't obey the gospel. I can even show you where Jesus Himself is gonna do the destroying.
Same God. God called for repentance in the Old Testament too but the people refused to accept and were destroyed. Jesus killed how many people in Haiti?
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#190626 - 08/04/10 06:18 AM
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corlorde
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So, to me, it's like....today kids don't respect elders quite like they use to. And so many things have changed to the point where (maybe I'm just really getting old, lol) what use to be important, and taught...just isn't anymore, or isn't thought about much because of the faster pace of life, and other factors.
Most certainly things have changed in that regard. I'm afraid for my kids every time they walk out the door. I remember being a teenager years ago (many years ago, that is, lol) and my step brother and I would grab our fishing poles and jump on our bicycles. My mom would say, "be back for dinner" at 7 in the morning and life was good. Now, everywhere my kids go, they have cell phones and check in with me all the time… especially my daughter who now has a vehicle. Times do change, but I don't have the "disrespect" problem towards "elders" with my kids. They are polite, well mannered, and well adjusted. I can't help to think it is because I involve myself in every aspect of their lives. It is an important role that a lot of dad's either are unwilling to do, or cannot. I dunno...
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#190627 - 08/04/10 06:27 AM
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corlorde
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I can even show you where Jesus Himself is gonna do the destroying.
Wow.
No thanks, it isn't what I believe. Not to mention, Jesus isn't doing the "destroying" it will be his twisted followers...you know, people like you. Haven't you done enough damage? You "Christian" versions of Osama Bin Laden? Seriously.
Edited by corlorde (08/04/10 06:28 AM)
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