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#190597 - 08/03/10 05:42 PM In What Ways...
ævory
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is The Old Testament irrelevant in todays' world.

And in what ways is The Old Testament relevant, today?

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#190598 - 08/03/10 05:55 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ævory]
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Interesting question.
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#190599 - 08/03/10 06:12 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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I think the Old Testament is completely irrelevant to Christians. It does contain some relevant history, however.

I think the Old Testament is completely relevant to those of the Jewish & Muslim religions. It contains laws for them.
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#190600 - 08/03/10 06:16 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: flicka]
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Well that's just nuts. Have you actually read the Bible?

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#190601 - 08/03/10 06:26 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Yes. What's your thoughts on the original post?
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#190605 - 08/03/10 07:10 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: flicka]
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I don't prefer to get involved. Besides that I think that I've made myself clear in previous postings.
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#190608 - 08/03/10 07:55 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Thanks, flicka, I'm of the belief that it is relevant today. The Old Testament seems to me to be so much more focused on revering (is that the word) God. When I was a really young girl I struggled with the "put God first....even before your love for your parents. And I learned what that meant to me. Today, I say, "God, I love you." so much more often than I use to. I don't think I really said it but a time or two Ever, in the past.

So, to me, it's like....today kids don't respect elders quite like they use to. And so many things have changed to the point where (maybe I'm just really getting old, lol) what use to be important, and taught...just isn't anymore, or isn't thought about much because of the faster pace of life, and other factors.

Even if the new covenant was intended to replace the old, I can't think why it should be discarded or put on a shelf, history aside.

Anyway, so much to think about...

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#190609 - 08/03/10 07:56 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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The old testament is relevent tomodern day christians. Many of the laws pertain to us also while much is aimed directly at Israel. It gives us the foundation for our christian beliefs and the history that leads to christanity. But largely it is loaded with prophecies that centuries later came to pass exactly as prophecied. Reading the old testament builds our faith in God and what He says. Christians believe God wrote the bible Hmself for us. The first five books of the old testament known to Jews as the Torah was dictated letter by letter to Moses on Mount Sinai by God Himself without punctuation, chapter or verse interuption in the Hebrew language. The old testament pointed the way to Jesus Christ the son of God and the new testament whiich was written by God's holy Spirit through the Apostles in the form of writings and letters to the churchs. Like have said before I believe the entire modern bible is Gods sieve that retains those who are obedient and love God and those who turn against God or His rules fall through the sieve wthout any change in their unbelief of God. It is a sieve, seperater using the sharp edge of the holy word that God says is sharper than any two edged sword. It is the seperator of the sheep and the goats. Jesus is known as the good shepherd of the sheep who know His voice and he is not a goat herder. Yes the Old testament is very relevant to our bible. By most christians belief.
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#190610 - 08/03/10 07:57 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
I don't prefer to get involved. Besides that I think that I've made myself clear in previous postings.


Others have made yourself clear, but if you don't care to say why you focus entirely on the Old T. then that's your call.

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#190614 - 08/03/10 09:12 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory

Even if the new covenant was intended to replace the old, I can't think why it should be discarded or put on a shelf, history aside.

You are correct that our generations are losing reverence/respect in general. I always made sure to adher to the old testament "spare the rod, spoil the child" adage. :-)Maybe the new testament uses timeouts?

Seriously though, I believe that Jesus taught us how we must act under the new covenant when he said:
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Matthew 5:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus did repeat the commandments to us and even told us about the two greatest commandments of all.
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Matthew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.




Edited by flicka (08/03/10 09:13 PM)
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#190620 - 08/04/10 05:54 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
I don't prefer to get involved. Besides that I think that I've made myself clear in previous postings.


Others have made yourself clear, but if you don't care to say why you focus entirely on the Old T. then that's your call.



I don't focus entirely on the Old Testament. But it is relevant to Christians today. God never changes and people seem to think that Jesus is not the same God that manifested Himself to the people of the Old Testament, but He is.


Edited by ronniechoate34 (08/04/10 05:56 AM)

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#190621 - 08/04/10 05:57 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34


I don't focus entirely on the Old Testament. But it is relevant to Christians today. God never changes and people seem to think that Jesus is not the same God that manifested Himself to the people of the Old Testament, but He is.


There are distinct difference between the Old and New Testament. God went from vengenful to loving with swift strokes of man's 'pens'. Why?
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#190624 - 08/04/10 06:10 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34


I don't focus entirely on the Old Testament. But it is relevant to Christians today. God never changes and people seem to think that Jesus is not the same God that manifested Himself to the people of the Old Testament, but He is.


There are distinct difference between the Old and New Testament. God went from vengenful to loving with swift strokes of man's 'pens'. Why?



No he didn't.


2Thessalonians:1:3: We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Thessolonians:1:4: So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Thessalonians:1:5: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Thessalonians:1:6: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Thessalonians:1:7: And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Thessalonians:1:8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Thessalonians:1:9: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Thessalonians:1:10: When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


There's more. Do you wanna read about it? I can post many references to the coming destruction of those who don't obey the gospel. I can even show you where Jesus Himself is gonna do the destroying.


Same God. God called for repentance in the Old Testament too but the people refused to accept and were destroyed. Jesus killed how many people in Haiti?

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#190626 - 08/04/10 06:18 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory

So, to me, it's like....today kids don't respect elders quite like they use to. And so many things have changed to the point where (maybe I'm just really getting old, lol) what use to be important, and taught...just isn't anymore, or isn't thought about much because of the faster pace of life, and other factors.



Most certainly things have changed in that regard. I'm afraid for my kids every time they walk out the door. I remember being a teenager years ago (many years ago, that is, lol) and my step brother and I would grab our fishing poles and jump on our bicycles. My mom would say, "be back for dinner" at 7 in the morning and life was good. Now, everywhere my kids go, they have cell phones and check in with me all the time… especially my daughter who now has a vehicle. Times do change, but I don't have the "disrespect" problem towards "elders" with my kids. They are polite, well mannered, and well adjusted. I can't help to think it is because I involve myself in every aspect of their lives. It is an important role that a lot of dad's either are unwilling to do, or cannot. I dunno...
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#190627 - 08/04/10 06:27 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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I can even show you where Jesus Himself is gonna do the destroying.



Wow.

No thanks, it isn't what I believe. Not to mention, Jesus isn't doing the "destroying" it will be his twisted followers...you know, people like you. Haven't you done enough damage? You "Christian" versions of Osama Bin Laden? Seriously.


Edited by corlorde (08/04/10 06:28 AM)
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#190630 - 08/04/10 06:43 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: corlorde
Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
I can even show you where Jesus Himself is gonna do the destroying.



Wow.

No thanks, it isn't what I believe. Not to mention, Jesus isn't doing the "destroying" it will be his twisted followers...you know, people like you. Haven't you done enough damage? You "Christian" versions of Osama Bin Laden? Seriously.



You are truly clueless. If I were you I'd just quit pretending to know anything about the followers of Jesus right now. Seriously, you've got it all messed up and you are confusing those people who are seeking the truth.


Edited by ronniechoate34 (08/04/10 06:43 AM)

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#190631 - 08/04/10 07:37 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Seriously, you've got it all messed up and you are confusing those people who are seeking the truth.


Actually, I "feel" that I am quite coherent. I remember people shooting at me once, because they also "knew the truth" and am willing to cut my head off for it. That's the school I come from. I worry about people like you, I do.

No worries though, I won't be calling the FBI, I'm not lazer ;P

(Everyone wonders why I renewed my concealed carry permit. lol)


Edited by corlorde (08/04/10 07:40 AM)
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#190634 - 08/04/10 07:52 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Seriously, you've got it all messed up and you are confusing those people who are seeking the truth.


Actually, I "feel" that I am quite coherent.

(Everyone wonders why I renewed my concealed carry permit. lol)



And somewhere in a mental institute someone feels that they are the devil and no one can convince them otherwise. It doesn't mean anything though.


You're welcome to carry a gun if you'd like too. But I've gotta tell you that if you are attacked it won't be by anyone who follows after Jesus Christ. Maybe some nut who thinks they'd be doing God a favor by killing you might attack you, I don't know. But I do know this, Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs. To follow Him I'll have to do the same. Jesus didn't do violence to unbelievers and He didn't teach violence either.

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#190637 - 08/04/10 07:59 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34

You're welcome to carry a gun if you'd like too.


Thanks.

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But I've gotta tell you that if you are attacked it won't be by anyone who follows after Jesus Christ.


Unless if they are carrying a bible quoting scripture, you mean

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Maybe some nut who thinks they'd be doing God a favor by killing you might attack you


Ok, I agree.

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I don't know. But I do know this, Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs.


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To follow Him I'll have to do the same. Jesus didn't do violence to unbelievers and He didn't teach violence either.


But he will be the one who wields the sword, at the end of the day, like you said?
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#190638 - 08/04/10 08:00 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs. To follow Him I'll have to do the same.


Just do it soon, and leave us the fvck alone. You don't have a monopoly on truth. Each person finds their own in spiritual matters.
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#190639 - 08/04/10 08:06 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34

You're welcome to carry a gun if you'd like too.


Thanks.

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But I've gotta tell you that if you are attacked it won't be by anyone who follows after Jesus Christ.


Unless if they are carrying a bible quoting scripture, you mean

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Maybe some nut who thinks they'd be doing God a favor by killing you might attack you


Ok, I agree.

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I don't know. But I do know this, Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs.


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To follow Him I'll have to do the same. Jesus didn't do violence to unbelievers and He didn't teach violence either.


But he will be the one who wields the sword, at the end of the day, like you said?



That's right, He will. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

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#190642 - 08/04/10 08:09 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs. To follow Him I'll have to do the same.


Just do it soon, and leave us the fvck alone. You don't have a monopoly on truth. Each person finds their own in spiritual matters.



Wow. What an exhibition of hatred. What were you saying about those religious extremists?

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#190643 - 08/04/10 08:17 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
What were you saying about those religious extremists?


Religious extremists, of any kind...I have a problem with. You bring a bad name to my religion, country, and well-being. That also includes extremist Islam, and Christianity. I have have NO PROBLEM with anyone who practices whatever religion they choose. When I read Jesus is coming back to f uck me up, like you said; I have a problem. Just like the Imam who is comng back...get it now? Ever been to the Middle East?
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#190645 - 08/04/10 08:27 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: corlorde]
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I've never been to the middle east and I don't know anything about Imam.
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#190646 - 08/04/10 08:29 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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I've never been to the middle east and I don't know anything about Imam.


Another group of people who know the "truth". And you are not in their plans.
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#190647 - 08/04/10 08:32 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Originally Posted By: shakey56
Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs. To follow Him I'll have to do the same.


Just do it soon, and leave us the fvck alone. You don't have a monopoly on truth. Each person finds their own in spiritual matters.



Wow. What an exhibition of hatred. What were you saying about those religious extremists?


lmao...boy, if you think that was hatred, you have even less of a clue than we all thought before this post. I was just telling you to STFU.
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#190652 - 08/04/10 09:58 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Originally Posted By: shakey56
Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Jesus Christ went obediently to His death for His beliefs. To follow Him I'll have to do the same.


Just do it soon, and leave us the fvck alone. You don't have a monopoly on truth. Each person finds their own in spiritual matters.



Wow. What an exhibition of hatred. What were you saying about those religious extremists?


lmao...boy, if you think that was hatred, you have even less of a clue than we all thought before this post. I was just telling you to STFU.



Don't worry, shakey. Your exhibition has been dually noted by the proper authorities. And I don't mean any flesh and blood man made agency. I'm talking about the big three.


1John:5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one


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#190654 - 08/04/10 10:31 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Ronnie, your single-minded obsession with converting the world to your beliefs through scorn, intolerance, and insults is mildly amusing, but it's getting old. You aren't convincing anyone here on this board, and it appears that you've had a nearly totally negative response from other boards, as well - even exclusively Christian ones.

Frankly, your disrespectful method of evangelizing stinks and is just going to generate hostility rather than converts. Is that what you're looking for?
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#190656 - 08/04/10 10:35 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ghoti]
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No, ghoti it isn't what I'm looking for.
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#190658 - 08/04/10 10:45 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Well, what exactly is your purpose in posting here? Do you really expect to get converts with your belligerent approach?

Most folks come here to share thoughts and learn from each other, but unless we practice mutual respect that's never going to happen.
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#190659 - 08/04/10 10:55 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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How many other imaginary friends do you have?
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#190660 - 08/04/10 11:00 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ghoti]
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Respect. Is that what I've been getting here? I never knew that.
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#190661 - 08/04/10 11:01 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: shakey56]
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I don't waste my time by imagining myself to have friends.
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#190663 - 08/04/10 11:23 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Respect. Is that what I've been getting here? I never knew that.


If you want to get it, try giving it.
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#190665 - 08/04/10 11:28 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: shakey56]
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God is fixing all who come to Him..but don't attack anyone cause He isn't finished yet. He is still fixing us.
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#190667 - 08/04/10 11:47 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Ronnie, you are showing ZERO respect for the beliefs of others. If you want to discuss your beliefs with us, that's fine, but if your aim it to convert others your approach simply won't work.

What are you hoping to accomplish by posting here?
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#190679 - 08/04/10 01:38 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
Ronnie, you are showing ZERO respect for the beliefs of others. If you want to discuss your beliefs with us, that's fine, but if your aim it to convert others your approach simply won't work.

What are you hoping to accomplish by posting here?



I don't really have any goals to accomplish here. I am just posting when I feel moved to post. That's all.

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#190680 - 08/04/10 01:47 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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you're rapidly approaching everybody's ignore status if you keep it up. what's going to happen to you when you no longer have an audience?
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#190686 - 08/04/10 02:40 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: starlight.2]
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Seriously though, probably nothing.
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#190702 - 08/04/10 04:18 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Maybe not all who post here come to spread knowledge that they own so much as to test ther beliefs aganst the world of opinions. Just a thought.
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#190716 - 08/04/10 06:25 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Well Ronnie's been testing these same beliefs in a couple of Christian-only websites and had them pretty thoroughly rejected. Maybe he thought a bunch of disabled folks would be gullible or desperate enough to swallow them.
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#190717 - 08/04/10 06:41 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
Well Ronnie's been testing these same beliefs in a couple of Christian-only websites and had them pretty thoroughly rejected. Maybe he thought a bunch of disabled folks would be gullible or desperate enough to swallow them.



That's just wrong.

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#190718 - 08/04/10 07:12 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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prove it.
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#190719 - 08/04/10 07:16 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: starlight.2]
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How?
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#190732 - 08/05/10 07:33 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Seriously, Ronnie is a troll whose narrow version of Christianity and pick-n-choose Scripture quotes allow him to justify his bigotry and hatred. He isn't preaching the message of Christ. My prayer is that God will lift the hatred from his heart.
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#190735 - 08/05/10 08:43 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
How?


if it hasn't completely escaped your consciousness, you must realize people have been more than patient with you, but it really is getting old.

this is a DISCUSSION forum, the word discussion implying a mutual and civilized exchange of ideas. spamming the board and disrespecting anybody else with a different opinion does not qualify. if you can't observe the rules, you'll just have tto pick up your toys and find another sandbox.

either you play by the rules, or else you're a troll. simple as that.
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#190736 - 08/05/10 08:44 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Maybe not all who post here come to spread knowledge that they own so much as to test ther beliefs aganst the world of opinions. Just a thought.
Paul


testing other people's patience, more like.
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#190737 - 08/05/10 08:51 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
Well Ronnie's been testing these same beliefs in a couple of Christian-only websites and had them pretty thoroughly rejected. Maybe he thought a bunch of disabled folks would be gullible or desperate enough to swallow them.


well, ronnie's either incredibly dense, or he's a militant antireligionist using reverse psychology, or he just enjoys hearing himself "talk" and doesn't give a sh!t about anyone else's views. i suspect the last.
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#190738 - 08/05/10 09:04 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: starlight.2]
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Everyone's a judge here. Don't you people have your own looming judgments to worry about?
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#190739 - 08/05/10 09:20 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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LOL, Ronnie. That's pretty funny coming from you.
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#190741 - 08/05/10 09:30 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
Everyone's a judge here. Don't you people have your own looming judgments to worry about?


even IF we did, that would be our business, not yours.

honestly, are you even processing what everybody is saying?
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#190742 - 08/05/10 09:39 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: starlight.2]
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gotta love the mob mentality here

when a pinata is identified people enjoy taking their turn

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#190743 - 08/05/10 09:40 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: starlight.2]
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He got the same reaction from his Christian-only boards, so I'm guessing he's used to it by now. He's either just trolling for the fun of pissing people off or else he's trying to convince himself.

What nasty things have you done in your past, Ronnie, to drive you to such extremes in seeking atonement?
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#190747 - 08/05/10 10:12 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: ghoti]
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I read a bunch of his postings on religous boards. I don't get the sense that he is a troll. The guy appears to be the real deal, a fire and brimstone exteme fundamentalist. He seems to be making an effort to go after the message, not the messenger. I can't say the same about the NMers paricipating in the stoning.
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#190748 - 08/05/10 10:23 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: Greg]
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Apparently you've failed to read his posts condemning everyone who doesn't believe his way.
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#190749 - 08/05/10 10:23 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I read a bunch of his postings on religous boards. I don't get the sense that he is a troll. The guy appears to be the real deal, a fire and brimstone exteme fundamentalist. He seems to be making an effort to go after the message, not the messenger. I can't say the same about the NMers paricipating in the stoning.


"stoning"? i think we've been more than patient w/ ronnie, but he apparently does not seem interested in entertaining anybody's POV other than his own.
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#190751 - 08/05/10 10:25 AM Re: In What Ways... [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I read a bunch of his postings on religous boards. I don't get the sense that he is a troll. The guy appears to be the real deal, a fire and brimstone exteme fundamentalist. He seems to be making an effort to go after the message, not the messenger. I can't say the same about the NMers paricipating in the stoning.


If I see something that piqued my interest, I'll comment.
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#190770 - 08/05/10 12:47 PM Re: In What Ways... [Re: corlorde]
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Don't shoot me but Jesus said His way is the only way so that makes the bible a one way book and believers who truly believe know this..just as Muslims know the same about their Koran. Every other Holy book probably takes that same view. Religion is a candy store and everyone picks and chooses according to what looks good to them and whose sweetness satisfies them. Some like lots of different candies and some have a favorite and will have no other. There is two candy makers..God and you can guess who is the second candymaker..When the second holds out that luscious lollypop, I wouldn't get in his car. You won't like the ride..but what do I know, I believe the bible written by God for mankind.
Unfortunately, all Holy books that claim to be the only way to God will be labelled hate speach and will be relegated to Farenheit 411 (Did I get that number right?).
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