#190804 - 08/05/10 05:12 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what isn't
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ghoti
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If you honestly think there isn't much evidence to support evolution then you are sadly misinformed on the subject. Why do you think that 99% of the people working in fields related to it accept it as true?
Do you actually think all those people are involved in some anti-religious conspiracy or something? Science reaches conclusions based on provable evidence, not pre-conceived notions.
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#190810 - 08/05/10 05:41 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what isn't
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They haved not proved anything Ghoti and Shakey they just did a little scientific hocus pocus called extrapolation from fixed visable points and you know but don't care because it is what y'all have chosen to believe. It is not a cut and dried provable science such as Chemistry and Physics and such...more in the vein of Phlosophy and Psychiatry. But hey I don't hold that religion against you it is as viable a faith as my bible is for those who chose to believe with blind faith. I choose God as my creator rather than an amorphous unknown blob from only God knows where..:-)
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#190814 - 08/05/10 06:14 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what isn't
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ghoti
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sorry, Paulwa, but if you could look at the evidence with an unbiased mind you'd find it convincing, too. It all comes back to that pesky word "day" in Genesis and how much of a stickler you are about it.
You're absolutely wrong in thinking science is against religion. Have you ever read about how the church persecuted Galileo and Bruno back in the middle ages for daring to say the earth wasn't the center of the universe?
The church leaders were positive that there were Biblical passages proving that everything revolved around the earth and felt that saying otherwise was an attack on their beliefs. Bruno was burned at the stake and Galileo was placed under life-long house arrest for saying it wasn't true. Once the evidence became totally overwhelming the church just backed off and accepted it, and you never hear that argument any more.
The evidence for evolution is becoming just as overwhelming, and the Catholic church and most mainstream Protestant churches now accept it. The final holdout is the extreme fundies, but it's just a matter of time before you guys accept reality, too.
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#190816 - 08/05/10 06:37 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what isn't
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We need to put ourselves in Paul's place to understand. He believes the bible to be God's word, and he buys the 6,000 year figure to be part of God's word since it is arrived at using bible history. Scientists have proven the 6,000 year figure wrong, which, if correct, would make God's word wrong. Thus science is against God and Paul's religion.
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#190832 - 08/05/10 11:35 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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ævory
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Scientists have proven...................which, if correct, ......
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And scientists have proven the scientists wrong who say the 6,000 yr figure is wrong.
So what are you trying to say? That you don't know what you are trying to say? Cus that is exactly what I am hearing you say.
Here is what you wrote, again:
We need to put ourselves in Paul's place to understand. He believes the bible to be God's word, and he buys the 6,000 year figure to be part of God's word since it is arrived at using bible history. Scientists have proven the 6,000 year figure wrong, which, if correct, would make God's word wrong. Thus science is against God and Paul's religion.
By really listening to this logic, it is the logic employed by ghoti much of the time.... and it does not fly, except in the face of those who just don't listen. This conclusion of yours is based on your own false belief. In otherwords, you believe in NO Bible, or God, yet have no problem basing your logic on something that is false to you, to begin with. If the 6,000 yr figure is correct (according to biblical history)....and the rest is inconclusive and not thoroughly thought out or you wouldn't have said it. End of Your story. See you in heaven.
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#190837 - 08/06/10 07:35 AM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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Yes, and you can believe that the sky is orange and the sun is a big chunk of burning coal if you like, but YOU'D BE WRONG because facts prove differently. Science is not a belief system - if anything it's an anti-belief system.
Creationists start with the assumption that the earth is 6000 years old and reject anything that contrdicts that notion, while science looks at the evidence and develops theories. There is nothing about the two that are equivalent.
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#190839 - 08/06/10 08:47 AM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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And scientists have proven the scientists wrong who say the 6,000 yr figure is wrong
which "scientists" would that be again? please clarify. some specific names would be helpful.
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#190843 - 08/06/10 09:49 AM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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You anti Goddist's go ahead with what you feel comfortable with and we will do the same. The truth will come out in the end won't it so why get excited now if we have all locked ourselves into what we believe.
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#190845 - 08/06/10 10:31 AM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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Fine, just don't go trying to impose your beliefs on everyone else.
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#190847 - 08/06/10 12:05 PM
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I believe in God and I also agree with the science that backs up evolution. Science and God are not enemies. There is not a conflict with evolution and the Bible unless you want there to be one.
A person does not have to dismiss common sense and education to be a Christian. God gave us our brains to use. Let your light (and brain) shine!
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#190849 - 08/06/10 12:51 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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Scientists have proven...................which, if correct, ...... ? And scientists have proven the scientists wrong who say the 6,000 yr figure is wrong. So what are you trying to say? That you don't know what you are trying to say? Cus that is exactly what I am hearing you say. Here is what you wrote, again: We need to put ourselves in Paul's place to understand. He believes the bible to be God's word, and he buys the 6,000 year figure to be part of God's word since it is arrived at using bible history. Scientists have proven the 6,000 year figure wrong, which, if correct, would make God's word wrong. Thus science is against God and Paul's religion. By really listening to this logic, it is the logic employed by ghoti much of the time.... and it does not fly, except in the face of those who just don't listen. This conclusion of yours is based on your own false belief. In otherwords, you believe in NO Bible, or God, yet have no problem basing your logic on something that is false to you, to begin with. If the 6,000 yr figure is correct (according to biblical history)....and the rest is inconclusive and not thoroughly thought out or you wouldn't have said it. End of Your story. See you in heaven.
lol...it's Paul's logic therefore his conclusion, and, given his premise, it is logical. Do you even understand the difference between a premise, a conclusion and the logic used to arrive at that conclusion? Logic is basically the math of an argument: if a = b and b = c then a must = c for example. An argument can be based on a valid premise and still be wrong, if the math (logic) doesn't add up. You seem to mix up the three. If a premise is faulty, it has nothing to do with logic. BTW you can not prove the premise there is a god logically. Great minds have been trying to prove both sides of that one with no success for 1000's of years.
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#190859 - 08/06/10 02:36 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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Paulwa_dup1
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I am sure God is laughing at this foolishness called unbelief.
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#190861 - 08/06/10 02:43 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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ghoti
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Don't be so self-righteous, Paulwa. He may very well be laughing at you.
Edited by ghoti (08/06/10 02:44 PM)
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#190889 - 08/06/10 09:14 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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Paulwa_dup1
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Lord knows I have given him plenty of reason Ghoti! :-)
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#190890 - 08/06/10 09:15 PM
Re: what can't be explained logically, and what i
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Lord knows I have given him plenty of reason Ghoti! :-)
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