#190703 - 08/04/10 04:22 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Do you agree that the book is a letter to the Hebrews?
This is a letter to all Christians. These people just happened to be Hebrews. It's the same as if I said that the letter to the Corinthians doesn't apply to me because I'm not a Corinthian. It's directed at all Christians and that's as simple as that.
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#190704 - 08/04/10 04:28 PM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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I agree wiith Ron, God gave this book to all and followers of both covenants. God doesn't miss anyone in the sweep of His love and mercy. Just those who evade Him and fallin with Lucifer and his crowd.
Paul
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#190705 - 08/04/10 04:32 PM
Re: wicca
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flicka
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How do these verses pertain to you, or Ronnie?
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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#190708 - 08/04/10 04:40 PM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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When do you think these scriptures happen Flicka? I personally believe it has not happened as yet. When Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on this earth I think this is when He will make those scriiptures come true. There is the 144,000 Jews in revelation at the end days of the trbulation that this will first happen too though. Just my take.
Paul
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#190714 - 08/04/10 06:03 PM
Re: wicca
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ronniechoate34
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Haven't you ever heard of spiritual Israel? Because I believe in that. And it's a good place.
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#190721 - 08/04/10 08:23 PM
Re: wicca
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flicka
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I personally believe it has not happened as yet.
Wow. Okay, I'll have to read it again with that in mind. So, you think this letter has not been "received" as yet?
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#190722 - 08/04/10 08:25 PM
Re: wicca
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flicka
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Haven't you ever heard of spiritual Israel? Because I believe in that. And it's a good place.
No. What is it all about?
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#190724 - 08/04/10 10:31 PM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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No Flcka the scripttures to the Hebrews arrived back in their time but what Jesus was talking about in those scriptures were about the end days of Israel when He would make a new covenant and write it in their hearts.
Ron do you believe in what is called by modern christian groups, Replacement Theology? do you think the church of Jesus christ today has replaced true old Israel of the old testament covenant and modern Israel has been cut off from salvation? All Jews and christians are spiritual Israel in my book or will be by the time Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth. IMO
Paul
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#190729 - 08/05/10 07:19 AM
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ronniechoate34
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Paul, I believe that a person must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to receive the earnest of his inheritance, which is the Holy Spirit. This only includes the Jews who fall on the rock. Because, sooner or later the rock will fall on them. And we know that they will be ground into powder, that's no reward.
John:10:1: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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#190730 - 08/05/10 07:20 AM
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MerryA
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The Old Testament and the old law do NOT apply to Christians IMO. Jesus' life, death and resurrection created the new law for Christianity. The new law replaced the old law for Christians.
As a Christian I believe the words and teachings of Jesus Christ. The old covenant/old law was the covenant for salvation for Israel. The new covenant/new law is the covenant for salvation for all people who believe in Jesus.
However, if you insist on applying the old law to Christians, I strongly suggest you carefully read All of the Old Testament, especially Leviticus, and apply ALL the old law, don't just pick and choose as it suits your fancy. 
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#190740 - 08/05/10 09:29 AM
Re: wicca
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ghoti
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It's pretty clear that Christians totally ignore Leviticus except for 18:22, of course. For some reason that I don't get, that one passage is the ONLY one out of the whole book that extremists seem to think still applies in the modern world.
It's the picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you want to accept and which parts you can just ignore that baffles me.
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#190769 - 08/05/10 12:32 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Jesus said he made the laws even more stringent under the new covenent, He said breaking the laws now included just think about or wishing brought you the sin of breaking a law such as lust etc. No the old laws are still valid. The cultural laws were for ancient Israel and do not apply to christians but is useful for us to know anyway. Jesus said He did not come to change one jot or tittle of the law but to fulfill the law and He gave us a new commandment and the importance of following that new commandment. But that new commandment does not do away with the old law. The new law is an expansion of the old law and sincre no man could succssfully obey the old laws He gave us Grace and forgiveness for which He is our high Priest before God.
Ron the Rock is for all to fall upon..not the Jews only and all those whom the Rock falls upon will be ground to powder..not just the Jews. The body or church of Jesus Christ has not replaced Israel because Israel is the apple of Gods eye for eternity. God never changes and His word and covenents never change. Jesus because the house of Israel in Jesus day rejected Him turned His salvation to all. Israel is still God's people and christians are Jesus's people. One day I think we will all be Jesus people but Israel will still be Gods people too. I would stay away from replacement theology because they are in for some bad knuckle rapping (? or worse)by God one day.
Paul
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#190774 - 08/05/10 01:14 PM
Re: wicca
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ronniechoate34
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Luke:13:34: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luke:13:35: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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#190775 - 08/05/10 01:14 PM
Re: wicca
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ghoti
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Paulwa, can you explain why extremists insist that all of Leviticus is invalid for modern Christians except Lev 18:22? What's special about that one passage that makes it different than the rest of the entire book?
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#190776 - 08/05/10 01:31 PM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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Much of Leviticus is just plain common sense. 18:22 is an abomnination because it goes against Gods command to replenish the earth. man/man or woman/woman cannot bring forth fruit of life to replenish the earth so it is sin like disobeying all the rest of Gods commandments to the house of Israel. I don't know why religions tend to focus on homosexuality so as to set it aside as being worse than other sins except I thinb k satan has done this to split humanity and cause division and causing a group of humannity to feel that they are hopeless sinners and lost..which in my opinion they are not! A tre christian would offer the gospel to these people and let the Holy Spirit work out the details. Judging is Gods work not mans so satan causes christians to sin when they disparage part of humannity as being so sinful.
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