#190551 - 08/02/10 10:26 AM
Re: wicca
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starlight.2
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are you even paying attention to what others are saying?
there is nothing the matter with having a strong personal message, but your manner of delivery is extremely off-putting.
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#190554 - 08/02/10 11:43 AM
Re: wicca
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ghoti
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Ronnie, your approach of disrespecting the beliefs of others and sermonizing with Bible quotes is extremely annoying and will not work to convert others. Jesus practiced kindness and compassion for others - even those who were sinners and non-believers.
I personally find much to be admired in the message Jesus delivered and have great respect for those Christians who try to model their life after his. Unfortunately some seem to think it's their duty to convert the world and can be very pushy and obnoxious about it.
That's the way you come across, at least to me.
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#190585 - 08/03/10 07:52 AM
Re: wicca
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MerryA
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Ronnie seems to only quote from the Old Testament. A Christian lives under message of the New Testament. We are not under the old law. He spreads his hate and fear by using quotes that are historically interesting but not relevant to living as a Christian.
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#190668 - 08/04/10 11:49 AM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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The scriptures Ronnie posts are true and accurate if they come from the bible IMO. Ronnie like all of us is at a point of knowledge he believes but God is still teaching us new ways of looking at truths. Kind of like evolution. Now this particular evolution does work because we learn by building on the past and thus change incrementally day by day. We can only express our beliefs from the position we find ourselves in at the moment and the reaction we receive will help strengthen that position or maybe even change that position a little. The important thing is to keep the focus on Gods words first and man's second and you will be on the right track though at times you will appear to others to be a true nut job. The first rule of action is to do no harm!
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#190669 - 08/04/10 11:54 AM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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Starlight I don't think I brought anything up about Wicca. My thought on this subject is pretty thin. I think of Wicca as a form of witchcraft which according to the bible in the old testament is one of the sins against God and to be avoided by those following God and His rules. My only cvomment on this subject.
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#190676 - 08/04/10 01:28 PM
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MerryA
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The scriptures Ronnie posts are true and accurate if they come from the bible IMO.
Do they apply to Christians? Do you believe we are under the old law?
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#190677 - 08/04/10 01:34 PM
Re: wicca
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ronniechoate34
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The scriptures Ronnie posts are true and accurate if they come from the bible IMO. Do they apply to Christians? Do you believe we are under the old law?
Hebrews:8:1: Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews:8:2: A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews:8:3: For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Hebrews:8:4: For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Hebrews:8:5: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:6: But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews:8:7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews:8:8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews:8:9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews:8:10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews:8:11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Hebrews:8:12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews:8:13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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#190683 - 08/04/10 01:54 PM
Re: wicca
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flicka
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Ronnie, it appears to me that those passages from Hebrews are saying that He has made a new covenant with the house of Israel because the old one was faulty.
What verses do you think are aimed toward Christians?
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#190684 - 08/04/10 02:35 PM
Re: wicca
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#190688 - 08/04/10 03:10 PM
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flicka
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Would it make you feel better if I asked:
What verses do you think are aimed toward Christians who are gentile?
Edited by flicka (08/04/10 03:11 PM)
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#190689 - 08/04/10 03:18 PM
Re: wicca
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ronniechoate34
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#190691 - 08/04/10 03:27 PM
Re: wicca
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flicka
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Do you agree that the book is a letter to the Hebrews?
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#190693 - 08/04/10 03:41 PM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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You are confusing the old covenant of the law to Israel with the new covenant Jesus makes towards salvation. We are saved by His grace of the new covenant but we follow the heart of the law in our lives as Jesus said I come not to destroy the law but to fulfll the law and the prophets. The Jews who don't accept Jesus are tied to the law of the old covenant which God declared to eternity. Jesus gives us the new covenant of Grace and salvation but we still look to the first covenant for its truths as they pertain to life.
Paul not only wrote to the Hebrews but His wrttings pertain to all christians.
You just have to accept that the bible we have today and the KJV has the gresatest following, is the inspiired word of God that God has held up in front of mankind tolearn..or start dissecting the bible which makes it of little account to anyone..because which of Gods words wll you cancel out? If you start doing this you might as well throw the book into the trashcan and head for the nearest tavern for anesthetic.!
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#190695 - 08/04/10 03:58 PM
Re: wicca
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flicka
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You are confusing the old covenant of the law to Israel with the new covenant Jesus makes towards salvation.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Paul not only wrote to the Hebrews but His wrttings pertain to all christians.
Paul wrote directly to many different people & places. This letter is directed to the Hebrews.
...or start dissecting the bible which makes it of little account to anyone..because which of Gods words wll you cancel out?
Declaring that the book of Hebrews is a letter directed to the Hebrews, is not changing one word of the Bibe. How do these verses pertain to you, or Ronnie?
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Edited by flicka (08/04/10 03:59 PM)
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#190699 - 08/04/10 04:13 PM
Re: wicca
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Paulwa_dup1
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True Jesus did make the first covenant old by supplying a new covenant of His sacrifice for all who would believe but God wrote the first covenant for eternity for those who follow it and do not accept the new covenent. Jesus came to the Jews first and they turned Him away and crucified Him so salvatiion was given to all who would believe from then on. The jews will go back to temple worshiip and animal sacrifice and contiinue following the old covenent between them and God..so it is an eternal document. All scripture in the entire bble is ggood for doctrine, learning and reproof for all christians Flicka.
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