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since paulwa and ronnie brought up wicca, here is a complete description of the wiccan religion.
wicca, description
The ethical set is summarized in the Wiccan Rede:
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill:
If it harm none, do what you will.
wiccan ethics
seems benign enough to me.
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#190286 - 07/28/10 09:42 AM
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seems benign enough to me.
It's still a belief system.
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#190326 - 07/28/10 08:52 PM
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wicca is a beautiful way of life that i happen to admire a lot!
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#190327 - 07/28/10 09:11 PM
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seems benign enough to me.
It's still a belief system.
Belief systems aren't necessarily bad. Confusing beliefs with facts is where the problems start.
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#190338 - 07/29/10 05:27 AM
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Belief systems aren't necessarily bad. Confusing beliefs with facts is where the problems start.
Good point
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#190339 - 07/29/10 05:54 AM
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Wicca is not "devil worship" as most many would have us believe. 
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#190476 - 07/31/10 02:24 PM
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Wicca is not "devil worship" as most many would have us believe.
No, it's not devil worship, it's "PAN"theism in one of its many forms.
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#190478 - 07/31/10 02:36 PM
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Pantheism is at least plausible. More than can be said for Christianity.
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#190518 - 08/01/10 09:51 AM
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Wicca is not "devil worship" as most many would have us believe. No, it's not devil worship, it's " PAN"theism in one of its many forms.
pantheism defined:
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning "all" and θεός (theos) meaning "belief that God is all". As such, Pantheism promotes the idea that "God" is better understood as a way of relating reverentially to Nature and the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
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#190527 - 08/01/10 05:27 PM
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In addition to holding to some form of animism, many Wiccans also adhere to pantheism. Pantheism is the belief that everything is divine. The term is derived from two Greek words: pan which means "all" and theos which means "god, God, deity." Pantheism understands deity as one with nature. Since everything is deity, they believe that humans are also divine.
http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2904163/k.C0C1/Wicca.htm
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#190533 - 08/02/10 01:18 AM
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Ronnie, you might do well to follow these words from the link you posted:
Balance boldness in sharing the gospel with gentleness. You can be bold without being overly aggressive. Also, treat Wiccans with respect. Nothing will end a witnessing opportunity faster than being disrespectful to a Wiccan.
Treating the faith of others with disrespect and arrogantly insisting that all must follow your belief system is guaranteed to get a negative reaction from people. A true missionary should ideally try to convince others by positive loving attraction of the value of his beliefs rather than by scornful disparagement of those of others.
I'm favorably impressed by the acts of kindness and compassion I see from people of faith, but fire and brimstone sermonizing absolutely turns me off, and I'm quite sure most others would agree.
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#190538 - 08/02/10 06:44 AM
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It seems to me Ronnie's idea of being a Christian (I'm beginning to doubt he is what he claims) is very narrow and limits God. The message of Jesus is very simple - love God, love your neighbor as yourself. Ronnie must not love himself much with all the hate and fear he spills. 
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#190544 - 08/02/10 09:17 AM
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are you being deliberately obtuse?
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#190546 - 08/02/10 09:41 AM
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No, are you?
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#190551 - 08/02/10 10:26 AM
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are you even paying attention to what others are saying?
there is nothing the matter with having a strong personal message, but your manner of delivery is extremely off-putting.
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#190554 - 08/02/10 11:43 AM
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Ronnie, your approach of disrespecting the beliefs of others and sermonizing with Bible quotes is extremely annoying and will not work to convert others. Jesus practiced kindness and compassion for others - even those who were sinners and non-believers.
I personally find much to be admired in the message Jesus delivered and have great respect for those Christians who try to model their life after his. Unfortunately some seem to think it's their duty to convert the world and can be very pushy and obnoxious about it.
That's the way you come across, at least to me.
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#190585 - 08/03/10 07:52 AM
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Ronnie seems to only quote from the Old Testament. A Christian lives under message of the New Testament. We are not under the old law. He spreads his hate and fear by using quotes that are historically interesting but not relevant to living as a Christian.
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#190668 - 08/04/10 11:49 AM
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The scriptures Ronnie posts are true and accurate if they come from the bible IMO. Ronnie like all of us is at a point of knowledge he believes but God is still teaching us new ways of looking at truths. Kind of like evolution. Now this particular evolution does work because we learn by building on the past and thus change incrementally day by day. We can only express our beliefs from the position we find ourselves in at the moment and the reaction we receive will help strengthen that position or maybe even change that position a little. The important thing is to keep the focus on Gods words first and man's second and you will be on the right track though at times you will appear to others to be a true nut job. The first rule of action is to do no harm!
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#190669 - 08/04/10 11:54 AM
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Starlight I don't think I brought anything up about Wicca. My thought on this subject is pretty thin. I think of Wicca as a form of witchcraft which according to the bible in the old testament is one of the sins against God and to be avoided by those following God and His rules. My only cvomment on this subject.
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#190676 - 08/04/10 01:28 PM
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The scriptures Ronnie posts are true and accurate if they come from the bible IMO.
Do they apply to Christians? Do you believe we are under the old law?
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#190677 - 08/04/10 01:34 PM
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The scriptures Ronnie posts are true and accurate if they come from the bible IMO. Do they apply to Christians? Do you believe we are under the old law?
Hebrews:8:1: Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews:8:2: A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews:8:3: For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Hebrews:8:4: For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Hebrews:8:5: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:6: But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews:8:7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews:8:8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews:8:9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews:8:10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews:8:11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Hebrews:8:12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews:8:13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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#190683 - 08/04/10 01:54 PM
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Ronnie, it appears to me that those passages from Hebrews are saying that He has made a new covenant with the house of Israel because the old one was faulty.
What verses do you think are aimed toward Christians?
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#190684 - 08/04/10 02:35 PM
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#190688 - 08/04/10 03:10 PM
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Would it make you feel better if I asked:
What verses do you think are aimed toward Christians who are gentile?
Edited by flicka (08/04/10 03:11 PM)
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#190689 - 08/04/10 03:18 PM
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#190691 - 08/04/10 03:27 PM
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Do you agree that the book is a letter to the Hebrews?
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#190693 - 08/04/10 03:41 PM
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You are confusing the old covenant of the law to Israel with the new covenant Jesus makes towards salvation. We are saved by His grace of the new covenant but we follow the heart of the law in our lives as Jesus said I come not to destroy the law but to fulfll the law and the prophets. The Jews who don't accept Jesus are tied to the law of the old covenant which God declared to eternity. Jesus gives us the new covenant of Grace and salvation but we still look to the first covenant for its truths as they pertain to life.
Paul not only wrote to the Hebrews but His wrttings pertain to all christians.
You just have to accept that the bible we have today and the KJV has the gresatest following, is the inspiired word of God that God has held up in front of mankind tolearn..or start dissecting the bible which makes it of little account to anyone..because which of Gods words wll you cancel out? If you start doing this you might as well throw the book into the trashcan and head for the nearest tavern for anesthetic.!
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#190695 - 08/04/10 03:58 PM
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You are confusing the old covenant of the law to Israel with the new covenant Jesus makes towards salvation.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Paul not only wrote to the Hebrews but His wrttings pertain to all christians.
Paul wrote directly to many different people & places. This letter is directed to the Hebrews.
...or start dissecting the bible which makes it of little account to anyone..because which of Gods words wll you cancel out?
Declaring that the book of Hebrews is a letter directed to the Hebrews, is not changing one word of the Bibe. How do these verses pertain to you, or Ronnie?
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Edited by flicka (08/04/10 03:59 PM)
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#190699 - 08/04/10 04:13 PM
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True Jesus did make the first covenant old by supplying a new covenant of His sacrifice for all who would believe but God wrote the first covenant for eternity for those who follow it and do not accept the new covenent. Jesus came to the Jews first and they turned Him away and crucified Him so salvatiion was given to all who would believe from then on. The jews will go back to temple worshiip and animal sacrifice and contiinue following the old covenent between them and God..so it is an eternal document. All scripture in the entire bble is ggood for doctrine, learning and reproof for all christians Flicka.
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#190703 - 08/04/10 04:22 PM
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Do you agree that the book is a letter to the Hebrews?
This is a letter to all Christians. These people just happened to be Hebrews. It's the same as if I said that the letter to the Corinthians doesn't apply to me because I'm not a Corinthian. It's directed at all Christians and that's as simple as that.
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#190704 - 08/04/10 04:28 PM
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I agree wiith Ron, God gave this book to all and followers of both covenants. God doesn't miss anyone in the sweep of His love and mercy. Just those who evade Him and fallin with Lucifer and his crowd.
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#190705 - 08/04/10 04:32 PM
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How do these verses pertain to you, or Ronnie?
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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#190708 - 08/04/10 04:40 PM
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When do you think these scriptures happen Flicka? I personally believe it has not happened as yet. When Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on this earth I think this is when He will make those scriiptures come true. There is the 144,000 Jews in revelation at the end days of the trbulation that this will first happen too though. Just my take.
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#190714 - 08/04/10 06:03 PM
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Haven't you ever heard of spiritual Israel? Because I believe in that. And it's a good place.
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#190721 - 08/04/10 08:23 PM
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I personally believe it has not happened as yet.
Wow. Okay, I'll have to read it again with that in mind. So, you think this letter has not been "received" as yet?
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#190722 - 08/04/10 08:25 PM
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Haven't you ever heard of spiritual Israel? Because I believe in that. And it's a good place.
No. What is it all about?
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#190724 - 08/04/10 10:31 PM
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No Flcka the scripttures to the Hebrews arrived back in their time but what Jesus was talking about in those scriptures were about the end days of Israel when He would make a new covenant and write it in their hearts.
Ron do you believe in what is called by modern christian groups, Replacement Theology? do you think the church of Jesus christ today has replaced true old Israel of the old testament covenant and modern Israel has been cut off from salvation? All Jews and christians are spiritual Israel in my book or will be by the time Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth. IMO
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#190729 - 08/05/10 07:19 AM
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Paul, I believe that a person must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to receive the earnest of his inheritance, which is the Holy Spirit. This only includes the Jews who fall on the rock. Because, sooner or later the rock will fall on them. And we know that they will be ground into powder, that's no reward.
John:10:1: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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#190730 - 08/05/10 07:20 AM
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The Old Testament and the old law do NOT apply to Christians IMO. Jesus' life, death and resurrection created the new law for Christianity. The new law replaced the old law for Christians.
As a Christian I believe the words and teachings of Jesus Christ. The old covenant/old law was the covenant for salvation for Israel. The new covenant/new law is the covenant for salvation for all people who believe in Jesus.
However, if you insist on applying the old law to Christians, I strongly suggest you carefully read All of the Old Testament, especially Leviticus, and apply ALL the old law, don't just pick and choose as it suits your fancy.
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#190740 - 08/05/10 09:29 AM
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It's pretty clear that Christians totally ignore Leviticus except for 18:22, of course. For some reason that I don't get, that one passage is the ONLY one out of the whole book that extremists seem to think still applies in the modern world.
It's the picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you want to accept and which parts you can just ignore that baffles me.
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#190769 - 08/05/10 12:32 PM
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Jesus said he made the laws even more stringent under the new covenent, He said breaking the laws now included just think about or wishing brought you the sin of breaking a law such as lust etc. No the old laws are still valid. The cultural laws were for ancient Israel and do not apply to christians but is useful for us to know anyway. Jesus said He did not come to change one jot or tittle of the law but to fulfill the law and He gave us a new commandment and the importance of following that new commandment. But that new commandment does not do away with the old law. The new law is an expansion of the old law and sincre no man could succssfully obey the old laws He gave us Grace and forgiveness for which He is our high Priest before God.
Ron the Rock is for all to fall upon..not the Jews only and all those whom the Rock falls upon will be ground to powder..not just the Jews. The body or church of Jesus Christ has not replaced Israel because Israel is the apple of Gods eye for eternity. God never changes and His word and covenents never change. Jesus because the house of Israel in Jesus day rejected Him turned His salvation to all. Israel is still God's people and christians are Jesus's people. One day I think we will all be Jesus people but Israel will still be Gods people too. I would stay away from replacement theology because they are in for some bad knuckle rapping (? or worse)by God one day.
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#190774 - 08/05/10 01:14 PM
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Luke:13:34: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luke:13:35: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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#190775 - 08/05/10 01:14 PM
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Paulwa, can you explain why extremists insist that all of Leviticus is invalid for modern Christians except Lev 18:22? What's special about that one passage that makes it different than the rest of the entire book?
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#190776 - 08/05/10 01:31 PM
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Much of Leviticus is just plain common sense. 18:22 is an abomnination because it goes against Gods command to replenish the earth. man/man or woman/woman cannot bring forth fruit of life to replenish the earth so it is sin like disobeying all the rest of Gods commandments to the house of Israel. I don't know why religions tend to focus on homosexuality so as to set it aside as being worse than other sins except I thinb k satan has done this to split humanity and cause division and causing a group of humannity to feel that they are hopeless sinners and lost..which in my opinion they are not! A tre christian would offer the gospel to these people and let the Holy Spirit work out the details. Judging is Gods work not mans so satan causes christians to sin when they disparage part of humannity as being so sinful.
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#190777 - 08/05/10 01:50 PM
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The earth needed more population back when Leviticus was written, but it certainly doesn't any more. The population is currently at about 6.8 billion and doubling every 35 years or so.
The human population can't keep growing the way it is without some disaster like famine, disease, and/or war intervening. IMO Lev 18:22 is no longer valid, just like the rest of Leviticus.
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#190778 - 08/05/10 01:56 PM
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In a way that is just what ZI said, Ghoti. It viewed as a sin by christianity but IMO it is no worse thasn any nother sin and just as forgiveable. Some people are the way they are through no fault of their own and they are in God's hands and judgement not ours. I think those scriptures were valid for Israel at the time they were written or spoken. We are under new covenant.
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#190780 - 08/05/10 02:15 PM
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I think that homosexuals and their satanic agenda are a part of the problem. But I sure can't do anything about it except for pray and be honest about it.
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#190781 - 08/05/10 02:34 PM
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Okay, this discussion is starting to feel like snake handling to me.
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#190782 - 08/05/10 02:40 PM
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As with anything else Ronnie, their are homosexual extremists who worship satan and have turned over their beings to him. Right it is only ours to spread the gospel to those interested and pray for all others. Snake handling is a whole nuther fundie extremist subject, Flicka. :-)
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#190788 - 08/05/10 03:44 PM
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Ronnie, do you actually know anyone who is gay? The ones I know are mostly kindly and artistic people who just do their best to get by. I'm totally convinced that they were just "born that way" and can't change their sexual orientation any more than a hetero person can.
Homophobia seems to be mostly driven by religious extremists. Nearly everyone else pretty much accepts that sexuality between consenting adults is nobody else's business.
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#190789 - 08/05/10 03:48 PM
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Jesus came not to condemn the world but that through Him all might be saved. Right
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#190796 - 08/05/10 04:05 PM
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Okay, this discussion is starting to feel like snake handling to me.
Yeah, Ronnie wants to handle lots of guys' snakes.
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#190811 - 08/05/10 05:43 PM
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Put your mind back into its garbage can Shakey. ;-)
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