#190373 - 07/29/10 01:52 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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starlight.2
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The flaw in the article above is that the question "Do you believe in God." is a loaded one, since it always implies the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. It's why I I prefer to say "I believe in a creator" instead.
i just like to say i believe in one less god than you do. 
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#190375 - 07/29/10 04:22 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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ævory
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I'm quite certain they'd be absolutely appalled by the way Christian extremists have been attempting to take over our government over the last 30 years.
I think Obama would tell youse (who believe this way) to Not get all we - weed up about it. He'd tell you we are the greatest country in the world with the brightest individuals, and to have a little faith in the intelligence of folk to recognize an extremist from a non-extremist (whether they be religious or political or both) and to make wise choices amongst yourselves.
Don't you? I mean, look...look how well people did with weeding out his worth, as president, in the face of such speculation.
So, this is another worn out statement. You've said it so many times. Hain'tcha got some new stuff?
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#190379 - 07/29/10 05:12 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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ghoti
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Why would I care what Obama would say about it? When Mit Romney isn't "Christian" enough to get his party's nomination and Christian fundamentalists like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich are being touted as serious contnders for the 2012 republican nomination, I think it bears repeating over and over.
There is a large group of people these days who would never vote for someone unless they are the "right kind of Christian" and they have a huge influence, especially in primary elections. I'm sick of listening to all that crap since it violates article 6.
So I'll keep hammering on it, and if it bothers you then just don't read my posts.
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#190383 - 07/29/10 06:29 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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shakey56
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Why would I care what Obama would say about it? When Mit Romney isn't "Christian" enough to get his party's nomination and Christian fundamentalists like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich are being touted as serious contnders for the 2012 republican nomination, I think it bears repeating over and over.
There is a large group of people these days who would never vote for someone unless they are the "right kind of Christian" and they have a huge influence, especially in primary elections. I'm sick of listening to all that crap since it violates article 6.
So I'll keep hammering on it, and if it bothers you then just don't read my posts.
I'll second that. Religious requirements are ridiculous, and they sure violate the spirit of the 6th. They don't really violate it in a strict legal sense since it not a formal requirement. The Christian right has been trying to take over this country for decades, and they have made quite a few changes locally and regionally. When and if they succeed nationally, we'll be just another Iran or n. Korea. We will have lost our freedom to an internal enemy we thought was a friend.
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#190384 - 07/29/10 06:31 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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ævory
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Really I am not bothered in the least. I think differently from how you (and for what I read for several years now from others) do, ghoti. That's all. I'm really glad of that, too. In one regard, most here are somewhat of a barameter for me. So, hammer away if that's what you feel like doing. Hammer, hammer, and I'll let you know when you hit the nail on the head. You should be glad I'm listening. 
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#190385 - 07/29/10 06:32 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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Paulwa_dup1
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I don't mind whether candidates are believers or not so long as they don't come in with an athiest agenda against christians. If they can keep it all politial I would vote for them anyway.
Paul
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#190386 - 07/29/10 06:35 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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I don't mind whether candidates are believers or not so long as they don't come in with an athiest agenda against christians.
Would you vote for a Muslim for President?
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#190391 - 07/29/10 06:49 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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Paulwa_dup1
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NO because the Koran is anti christian and anti Jew. I could not trust him any more tha I do Obie since I see what Obie is doing to our country and the slugs he has chosen to step in and run our country.
No Way! Unless the candidate is a christian and has denounced the Koran. I wouldn't accept a red Chinese, a Russian or any other person who is going against the American heritage and grain.
Paul
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#190395 - 07/29/10 06:55 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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shakey56
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I don't mind whether candidates are believers or not so long as they don't come in with an athiest agenda against christians. If they can keep it all politial I would vote for them anyway.
Paul
Define your terms. What exactly would that agenda look like. I ask, because more and more if a politician doesn't kiss Christian ass, he/she is branded anti Christian. Also becoming very easy to be branded since you Christian like to rewrite history and teach religion as science.
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#190396 - 07/29/10 07:09 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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Paulwa_dup1
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From what I have seen atheist profs have been rewriting history. Our government has been told by law not to interfere with our religion or the practice of our religion which they have been doing for years against oor religiouis rights.
I believe there should be classes for christians in school that uphold our bible beliefs of creation and atheists and others can have their own Godless evolution classes to learn from. Schools should not be financed by our government as that is how all this shyt happened to begin with.The friggin government officials strung out free money to the schools who were sneaking their own agenda under the peoples noses and screwing teachers and us all the while.
Paul
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#190397 - 07/29/10 07:21 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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starlight.2
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I believe there should be classes for christians in school that uphold our bible beliefs of creation and atheists and others can have their own Godless evolution classes to learn from...
and can hindus, muslims, wiccans et al also be taught the versions of science approved by their own religiously vetted texts?
geez, we'd really be reverting bact to the dark ages.
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#190398 - 07/29/10 08:02 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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ghoti
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Paulwa, there have always been private schools where people can send their kids if they want a special agenda. The public schools are religion-neutral and teach those things that can be verified by actual evidence.
Even if all schools used the Bible, which version? The majority group within the Christian faith is Catholic, so would you be OK teaching from their Bible and their creed?
See what a mess it would be? That's why the schools are set up the way they are.
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#190401 - 07/29/10 08:22 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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shakey56
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Paul, with all do respect, you don't have a clue what the actual history of our country is. To you anything that doesn't fit with the very narrow and very wrong version you've been sold is a rewrite.
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#190486 - 07/31/10 03:37 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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Paulwa_dup1
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I have read history texts from the 1900's to 1940's and they don't ressemble the modern textbook atheist ordained crap. I am history Shakey what the hell are you?
Paul
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#190488 - 07/31/10 03:43 PM
Re: Are You a Silly Believer?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Like the young fellow said to an old timer sitting, look our generation has television, world news reports, radio, jet airplanes, rockets and we have walked on the moon and what are you contributing to the world?
The old timer replied true but my generation dscovered and built all these fine things you name and are enjoying,,what have you contributed?
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