#190269 - 07/27/10 08:53 PM
Re: a question for the young-earth creationists...
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ghoti
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If he didn't take two of every species, then wouldn't that be proof that animals can evolve into different species after he released them?
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#190340 - 07/29/10 06:01 AM
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Leviathan is one of the seven princes of Hell and its gatekeeper. The word has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. It generally means great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply "whale."
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#190341 - 07/29/10 06:15 AM
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do you believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted?
Nope. There is zero evidence they did and a great deal of evidence they didn't. 
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#190342 - 07/29/10 06:32 AM
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Humans and dinosaurs did not coexist.
When I first read that, I thought it said "Humans and dinosaurs did not exist" ;D
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#190352 - 07/29/10 11:09 AM
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With God our creator everyything is possible. When everything was loaded to God's satisfaction the bible saysd..God closed the door on the ark sealing everything inside safely. The flood was Gods work and so the impossible to man happened easily to our creator. Say what ever you want, mankind alwasys looks at stories like the flood and tries to imagine how it could have happened with out God. The fool in his heart hath said there is no God. So in time all will know there is God and will kneel before him and be enlightened to the fact there is a God and for many will also realize too late that they have thrown away all chances of living eternally with Him.
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#190355 - 07/29/10 11:14 AM
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Preach brother, preach 
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#190357 - 07/29/10 11:20 AM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Not a preacher Shakey, just one who does not question the book God gave to us through His spirit that guided the hearts asnd hands of many writers through the generations and has stood the test of time for millions of believers world wide.
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#190368 - 07/29/10 12:17 PM
Re: a question for the young-earth creationists...
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ghoti
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It's fine that you accept the Bible without question, Paulwa, but it's not OK to expect others to do the same. Faith is a very personal thing and it can't be imposed on others. People have questions, and the Bible doesn't answer them adequately for lots of folks.
An awful lot of young people are turning away from traditional religions today, and that inflexible attitude is a major reason according to many I've talked to.
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#190392 - 07/29/10 06:51 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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I think there are more youth going to the bible than turning away Ghoti.
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#190399 - 07/29/10 08:04 PM
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ghoti
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Not to your view of it. Here's a chart showing changes in religious affiliation between 2001 and 2008:
http://www.teachingaboutreligion.org/Demographics/map_demographics.htm
Note the the only Christian group that didn't drop was the largest one (Catholic), probably due to the Hispanic immigrants. The group "no religion" grew from 14.1 to 15%, making it the third largest overall.
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#190408 - 07/30/10 05:55 AM
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ævory
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Note the the only Christian group that didn't drop was the largest one (Catholic), probably due to the Hispanic immigrants. T
Note, according to this:
"Probably, Obably!were the lines I had to say when I was a kid in the school play of Charlotte's Web. I was the great big goose wiith the long long neck. I couldn't see a thing and was suppose to sit the rest of the play out by warming my butt on a nest of plastic eggs. In my black tights and lost web foot I knocked the eggs out of the nest and they rolled off the middle of the stage into the audience' way. It was a real mess but we all pulled it off beautifully. The audience loved it...they had to cus they were our parents and loved ones...our support group!
I digress, *note:
Based on their stated beliefs rather than
their religious identification in 2008, 70% of Americans believe in a personal God, roughly 12% of Americans are atheist (no God) or agnostic (unknowable or unsure), and another 12% are deistic (a higher power but no personal God).
America's religious geography has been
transformed since 1990. Religious switching along with Hispanic immigration has significantly changed the religious profile of some states and regions. Between 1990 and 2008, the Catholic population proportion of the New England states fell from 50% to 36% and in New York it fell from 44% to 37%, while it rose in California from 29% to 37% and in Texas from 23% to 32%.
Overall the 1990-2008 ARIS time series shows that changes in religious self-identification in the first decade of the 21st century have been moderate in comparison to the 1990s, which was a period of significant shifts in the religious composition of the United States.
http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/American_religion_statistics
Why would you leave out religious switching, ghoti? cus you start out with a premise and follow it with fact?................... probably hispanic immigration ( And ) religious switching, according to the Facts, has made for a steady (relatively moderate) or increased religious belief....Catholicism being one (religious affiliation)....................... But if you are arguing for a decline in religious faith/belief (personal religious ID)...and you want to beLieve that more people are leaving religion (because of their turning away from God) you cannot do it with your own set of facts (your link).
ooo, maybe more people are getting married than in past, where the scenario looks like this: one partner is not Catholic but...before they marry, she or he turns Catholic to keep things kosher (and because they truly feel they become stronger and happier by switching or becoming a Catholic).
Are Hispanics loosing their religion or not ......and are they having fewer babies? Who cares....SWITCHING...that becomes the issue. But, again ...if you start out with the notion that you believe more people are leaving religion than they are 'finding Jesus or finding Any faith, AND, in conjunction, you note that the only ones holding strong To religion are the Catholics, then it behooves you to leave out the fact that people are not necessarily loosing their religion but rather Changing (switching) religions ...and to be really clear (ya'll still with me, cus I know I'm having fun,,,,even w/ my redundancy)) Paulwa, you are talking about people's faith/personal beliefs (yet when you write that they are turning to the Bible it sounds to Ghoti as though you mean they are turning to Christianity, period. I understand you to say what you do about the Bible because I, too, believe the Bible, and so...that is how we relate. by saying more are turning to the bible, i think you simply mean that there are more people wanting to find some religious faith to hold onto than ever before. And i agree...you just used the reference 'to the Bible' cus it's how you relate mostly) . Ghoti, on the otherhand, wants to run with what you wrote, LITERALLY, and prove you wrong. to prove you wrong, he has to take you by your written/posted 'word' and forget about what you really meant. You speak in 'religious faith or belief/personal religious identity...and he speaks in religious 'affiliation'<---and that is what he tries to prove w/ his set of facts. Ghoti, you can't do it with your facts. cus you two aren't on the same page.
Who knows, really, how many closet bible thumpers and readers of The Good Book there are. Who knows how many folk across the world stumbled into that closet on the way to the bathroom while smoking pot. Especially in the USa where pot is illegal and still sorta hush-hush. Who knows?
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#190411 - 07/30/10 07:30 AM
Re: a question for the young-earth creationists...
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ghoti
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And by the same token, who knows how many people go to church, say the right things, openly claim to be Christian, and yet have serious doubts in their hearts? Those sorts of things are pretty much impossible to measure.
The numbers you get from polls will differ depending on how the questions are asked, but there's no doubt that neo-Pagan groups like Wicca are growing rapidly while membership in most main-stream churches is staying static at best. There isn't any proof to support the statement that more young people are turning to the Bible.
I talk to lots of younger people, probably since I was a teacher in this same small town and I see and have kept close contact with many former students. My opinion from talking to many of them is that there is a shift away from traditional authoritarian churches toward more open spirituality. Just what I see with no conclusive proof.
It doesn't really matter in the long run. People will always have a sense of something larger than themselves behind things and try to comprehend its nature. It isn't like the church with the most members is guaranteed to be more right than the others, after all.
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#190416 - 07/30/10 10:51 AM
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Thank God for Ronda's intelligence and her sability to clear up the fog of viewpoints. Thank you Ronda, I very much appreciate your candid views. Ghoti I believe we are in the very enmd of our age and that is why our views towards a personal religious way of life are being so cut and dried. I don't think there will be much to change us all at this point. The latter reign of God's spirit spoken of in the biblke is fslling n christian youth perhaps and the old will dream dreams and such. We are facing a big door that is beginning to open and we each know what we expect to find behind it according to our beliefs. I hope we all are satisfied but it does seem unlikely to play that way. I think the days of preachers are over anmd so many of our latter dsay preachers have brought it upon themselves just as the scribes and pharisees in the days of Jesus, and the same way lawyers are bringing distaste upon themselves. In the end, without God we will bring ourselves down and that is just following satans master plan. Ok, it is just my opinion, but isn't it at least interesting?
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#190434 - 07/30/10 07:19 PM
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ghoti
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We'll see, Paulwa. If God really is capricious enough to choose to save people strictly on how they choose to believe rather than their qualities as an individual then IMO the afterlife will be a truly f'd up place. If I'm to be condemned to burn in eternal hellfire for refusing to believe blindly then so be it, since I'll be in good company.
IMO it's a ridiculous concept, since many very evil people throughout history were devout Christian believers while many wonderful ones followed other faiths or none at all. IMO, the idea that God uses that as his main standard for sorting souls is just silly. It is an effective tool to scare people into attending church and fattening collection plates, however, which I believe is why preachers like to expound on it.
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#190439 - 07/30/10 08:40 PM
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Leviathan
a transliterated Hebrew word (livyathan), meaning "twisted,"
"coiled." In Job 3:8, Revised Version, and marg. of Authorized
Version, it denotes the dragon which, according to Eastern
tradition, is an enemy of light; in 41:1 the crocodile is meant;
in Ps. 104:26 it "denotes any large animal that moves by
writhing or wriggling the body, the whale, the monsters of the
deep." This word is also used figuratively for a cruel enemy, as
some think "the Egyptian host, crushed by the divine power, and
cast on the shores of the Red Sea" (Ps. 74:14). As used in Isa.
27:1, "leviathan the piercing R.V. 'swift' serpent, even
leviathan that crooked R.V. marg. 'winding' serpent," the word
may probably denote the two empires, the Assyrian and the
Babylonian.
Easton's Bible Dictionary
I doesn't simply mean whale.
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