#189952 - 07/24/10 04:35 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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flicka
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But there actually are people who make predictions that come true constantly. They come up with findings and new products that many people consider miraculous and they've been doing it for many, many years now.
These people are called profits! 
No, seriously, I cannot even pretend to know how the scientific mind works, but I do know how that of a writers' is wired. I believe it is true of a musician's mind also. And, after reading Ronda and her description of painting, I'm sure artists have the same kind of "visions".
Sometimes, when I am writing a fiction story, a character will walk out of my mind without me even being consciously aware of its existence. It will have a name & an entire story of its own, even though I had no idea it was waiting for its turn to appear.
I jokingly call this "channeling" even though I know it's coming from somewhere inside myself. Anyway, I think all of us have some unique insight that is tied to our 'talents'...perhaps even that of a scientific mind.
Edited by flicka (07/24/10 04:40 PM)
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#189953 - 07/24/10 04:38 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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flicka
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Flicka..black President on the graph I don't get it?
Scroll to the graph chart I posted and you'll understand. Also look at the percent of religions whos members accept evolution. What's up with that?
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#189954 - 07/24/10 05:40 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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OK I saw it. :-) Well I dally'd around in my younger days trying to put evolution as an answer into the mix but eventually decided you either accepted the bible as Gods truth and living word or you only accept it as partially true. I think if you do that it makes the whole book untrue..or what do you turn down and what do you accept. I think for every scripture seen as not factual there is a logical answer that brings it back to the truth. Why are they in there? I believe it is to act as a sieve, placed there by God to let those without heart faith fall away for more knowledge getting. Those who struggle on learn and others just fall by the wayside as Jesus said would happen in the parable of the sower and the seed. The bible is like a sieve that lets only what God judges as most loving toward and obedient to Him get through. Because any others would not be happy living with Him and would cause nothing but trouble which God does not tolerate in His home. They choose to liv away from God but accomodations there might not be quite what those people will desire. I don't know what is in store for them but His word does say what is in store for those He can call His own and more than we can imagine.
But as to why so many denominations of christians accept evolution? I believe I just described it. They start dicing the bible up into what they can accept and what they refuse to accept and credit it as an error in the scriptures, thus weakening their faith in God and His word and evolution is an easy lie of satans to swallow..after all much of our scientists believe it don't they and the big churches too? I don't have to know I will just follow the others and believe what they believe. It is one of satans big lies for mankind and a trap he is setting to snare the unwary asnd spiritually blind. IMO
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#189956 - 07/24/10 06:19 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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flicka
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..after all much of our scientists believe it don't they and the big churches too? I don't have to know I will just follow the others and believe what they believe. It is one of satans big lies for mankind and a trap he is setting to snare the unwary asnd spiritually blind. IMO
I guess this means Muslims don't buy into Satan's lies.
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#189957 - 07/24/10 06:42 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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flicka
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They start dicing the bible up into what they can accept and what they refuse to accept and credit it as an error in the scriptures...
This is not how my Church views evolution. Lutherans don't see errors in the Bible.
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#189962 - 07/24/10 08:47 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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The Muslims being relgious know the Devil but they do kill for no Godly reason, at least the extremists do.
Whatever your church believes and you follow will be what you must live and stand for before God. We all will.
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#189964 - 07/24/10 08:57 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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flicka
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Whatever your church believes and you follow will be what you must live and stand for before God. We all will.
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You are correct. That's why I wonder why you went through your descriptions of religions "dicing" the Bible, or deciding what is true, or in error. That only tells me that you have no idea why many churches accept evolution, nor do you really want to know what their thoughts are on the subject.
That is okay, BUT it is really foolish on your part to project your ideas on other peoples' belief. Those of us who believe different than you KNOW why we believe that way and realize that you don't want to KNOW what we believe because it might shake your beliefs a lil bit.
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#189965 - 07/24/10 10:47 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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IMO the whole controversy over evolution boils down to the word "day" in Genesis. If the author had said "a period of time" instead, I doubt there would have been any religious objection.
Even the most extreme creationists believe in what they call "micro evolution". That includes all the mutations that can be observed in bacteria, viruses, insects, plant and animal varieties from selective breeding, etc. They then claim that what they call "macro evolution" is impossible because there hasn't been enough time for it to happen.
If the earth was really only 6000 years old as they claim then they'd be right, since major evolutionary changes take thousands of generations to happen, and that takes a long time for larger animals. But science tells us from many sources that the earth is billions of years old and that means there has been plenty of time.
So it all comes down to how much of a stickler you are about the meaning of the word "day".
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#189968 - 07/25/10 06:39 AM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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The strict young-earth Creationists say their interpretation shows the earth to be only 6000 years old while many findings of science from multiple disciplines put it at close to 5 billion years old
I was watching a show on discovery the other day and there was a scientist talking about the earth and he said there is a good chance the earth is much much older than previously thought. I can't remember what evidence he had but have you heard that?
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#189970 - 07/25/10 08:49 AM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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Hadn't heard that, Corey. I know there's a theory that the earth was once much smaller than now but collided with a Mars-sized planet about 5 billion years ago. The collision fused the two planets together and generated enough heat to completely melt them, and the material ejected into space formed the moon.
It explains why rocks on the moon actually tested out to be slightly older than on the earth. Being smaller it would have solidified sooner, and rocks can only be dated from the time that they are solid.
I guess that would mean the original earth must have been quite a bit older than 4.5 - 5 billion years, so maybe that's what they were talking about.
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#189973 - 07/25/10 10:21 AM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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I will post an interesting question concerning evolution later today. Getting ready for church right now.:-) Get your Evolutionary thinking caps ready.
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#189975 - 07/25/10 11:06 AM
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#189979 - 07/25/10 03:20 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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Relatively we are all relative considering we are all God's creations. :-)
Ok my basic concern on creation, at least one of them is this. Evolution is supposed result of something building from cell to cell and eventually winding up with mankind at the top of creation..from our viewpoint anyway. OK, consider the herds, flocks and groups of animals all of their own kind. Such as deer, or buffalo, sheep, cattle etc. They, following the form of evolution are all very much alike and maybe the only evolutionery aspect of difference might be individual odor and is scent oriented within the species. That being the primal way of distinguishing within the group who is who. Babies finding their mothers and such. Most all the groups of animals are like this and one looks much like another with maybe a few pelt distinguishing marks etc, but in the face little difference one from another. I could see this as a function of evolution if it were true. Using odor to distinguish individuals and so face distinguishing is not necessary, but even this belies intelligence in creating.
The big jump is the animals who live close to mankind such as dogs, cats and horses. These all have facial distinguishing shapes and colors for recognition and odor distinguishing also. Chimps seem similar to man but even these do not have much facial distinguishing features wiithout close studies to recognize these differences. The huge jump is to mankind where every individusal has strong differences of feature in body styles color and facial specific recognitions. Then there is the weird extreme individual distinction of finger prints and foot prints that are totally unique to each individual. This kind of knocks the blundering sameness of evolutionary creation in the head and screams for an intelligrent creator, else why the extreme individual differences..CREATED BY AN UNTHINKING EVOLUTIONARY MECHANISM? This makes a horrible chasm to leap for credulity. Lets face it God created all life on the face of this earth and knew exactly what He was doing and wanted to achieve. He looked and saw that it was good...that is till one of His creations running on free will took a dive to the dark side and tried to destroy us all in order to save himself! Think about it.
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#189981 - 07/25/10 03:33 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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Then there is the weird extreme individual distinction of finger prints and foot prints that are totally unique to each individual.
Don't look now, but animals have those disinctions also.
What is the question here? If it is that these things were made by a "thinking" entity, I agree.
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#189983 - 07/25/10 03:43 PM
Re: Are there modern-day prophets?
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Top-Koala Bear -- Bottom left-Human -- Bottom right-Chimpanzee
Edited by flicka (07/25/10 03:44 PM)
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