#189702 - 07/20/10 07:29 PM
Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ??
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Johnboy 64
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those ARE MILITARY actions not based on religion. liberals cry we need to go free them from opression, and other reasons of humanity, but once we're there we'r the bad guy... sigh. cant win
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#189703 - 07/20/10 07:33 PM
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shakey56
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And we aren't pushing our religion? You must be sleeping with Paul.
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#189706 - 07/20/10 07:42 PM
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Johnboy 64
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post a few links that support that... and not all liberal sites lol
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#189708 - 07/20/10 07:49 PM
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shakey56
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How many times do I have to repeat it? Democracy and Capitalism (Christianity to a lesser extent) are the religions we push militarily. We have been doing it ever since we landed here. A friend who's Navajo says it well when he says his people have been fighting terrorism since 1492.
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#189711 - 07/20/10 08:29 PM
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shakey56
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post a few links that support that... and not all liberal sites lol
The stated objective for virtually every military conflict we've been in for the last 100 years has been to spread Democracy or prevent some other ideology from spreading. This has been stated differently at different times, but the objective has always been the same. From Wilson's making the world safe for democracy to both Bushs' spreading democracy it runs through our history.
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#189713 - 07/20/10 08:59 PM
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Democracy and capitalism are not religions and anyone who thinks they are haven't got a full load of marbles.
Onward christian soldiers, Flicka is the march of christians to preach the gospel. The onmly one we fight is satan and his angels. It is a very far reach to compare American Military to Christian soldiers of the Lord.
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#189714 - 07/20/10 09:05 PM
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Johnboy 64
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ohh, i agree with that, but the countries we co into the majority of ppl want uss there.
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#189715 - 07/20/10 09:11 PM
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shakey56
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If you don't think political ideologies have become religion for many, you haven't been paying attention. We have been spreading our religion of democracy and capitalism with some Christianity tossed in for as long as we've been a country.
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#189717 - 07/20/10 09:12 PM
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shakey56
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So our leaders and some of the press say.
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#189719 - 07/20/10 09:34 PM
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Johnboy 64
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lol of course
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#189720 - 07/20/10 09:46 PM
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It is a very far reach to compare American Military to Christian soldiers of the Lord.
Not if you are Donald Rumsfeld.
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#189722 - 07/21/10 01:21 AM
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Oddly for once I have to agree with Paulwa... I really can't see how any of the wars the U.S. entered or started were based on religion... I will concede that there is a strong religious (christian) mentality and motivation in the military mindset (particularly the USAF), but I don't believe it has ever had any direct influence in the decision for the U.S. to go into any war...
As far as this "war on terrorism" is concerned, the religious aspect is (in my view) not Islam itself, but extremism... There are millions of muslims in the world and only a very small minority are involved in terrorism... Just as there are millions of christians, but there is a small minority that are extremist enough to be considered dangerous (white supremists -such as McVeigh, christian militias, pro-life activists that kill doctors, etc.) and I don't think it's that difficult to imagine it would take much for them to cross the line into terrorist acts and justify it via the bible and/or christian rhetoric... I believe that with most of these cases that religion is the excuse, not the reason... The people behind these acts use religion to manipulate those into doing their bidding... Look at Osama Bin Ladin, whenever he speaks or sends out a tape, most of his arguement isn't really about religion, but of policies and corruption of the west (U.S. and Europe) and it's influence on Islamic countries... It seems he uses politics when speaking to his enemy and religion when speaking to his followers...
But then again, I could be wrong...
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As far as the main topic of a mosque near ground zero, I honestly have no problem with it, in fact I applaud it... I believe it would represent a way for those who are muslim to go to face the consequences of the dangers of how their religion can be pervered and to truely embrace it as a religion of peace... In addition it may open the eyes of americans that most muslims are peaceful and by having a place of worship so near the epicenter can be seen as an atonement for an atrocity performed in their religion's name...
I can see how many would have a problem with it, but if one really looks below the surface, it really is an elegant way for both sides to come to terms with the events of 911... At least in my opinion...
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#189728 - 07/21/10 08:19 AM
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corlorde
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How can we trust Muslims.
We have no choice. You are aware that the majority of people fighting and dying in our wars are in fact Muslim? We would not be able to execute our national overseas security directives to wit: "The War o n terror" without the help of Muslims. That's just how it is. Distrusting an entire group of people based on their religion is shortsighted and foolish. To do so would be at our peril.
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#189733 - 07/21/10 11:40 AM
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The problem is the book they follow comes first in their lives. Just as the bible is the book christians follow...but christians have not made a vow to wipe a country off the face of the earth or to kill those who don't accept christianity. And then their is the case of Muslims in service to our country..problems like the one that just happened in Texas by an American Muslim who finally made a choice and killed a few Americans for Allah! Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.
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#189735 - 07/21/10 11:49 AM
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Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.
In that case, you are obviously correct in all you believe.
Incredible.
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