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#189512 - 07/19/10 10:55 AM mosque at ground zero 9/11 ??
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u gotta be shitting me........ building a mosque in NY at ground zero?

thats a slap in the face

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/PoliticalNews.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1362737
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#189513 - 07/19/10 11:06 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: lazer]
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OHHH LAZE, YOU ARE GONNA GET IT NOW
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#189520 - 07/19/10 01:17 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I don't see a problem with it. It won't be built immediately where the twin towers stood...close, but not on the spot.
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#189523 - 07/19/10 01:35 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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If skinhead nazis begin training on takeoffs and skipping landings in aircraft..the Mosques better look out. You know what is sauce for the goose...
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#189524 - 07/19/10 01:41 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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I can't believe you would advocate for that.
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#189525 - 07/19/10 01:45 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Ha my baited hook worked. No Flicka I don't, just wanted to see how fast you would come back. Sorry, no I don't advocate that at all. Pray for your enemies is what the good book says.
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#189528 - 07/19/10 01:48 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Ha my baited hook worked. No Flicka I don't, just wanted to see how fast you would come back.

You should already know that if I am here, I will respond immediately.
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#189530 - 07/19/10 01:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Pray for your enemies is what the good book says.

ps...Muslims are not our enemies.
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#189531 - 07/19/10 01:52 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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I do consider the koran to be a book of my enemy because of the kill if they don't convert laws. If you read the words of that book you can come to no other conclusion.
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#189537 - 07/19/10 02:04 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Our book doesn't just discriminate against other beliefs, all people are in danger from our G_d.

Exodus 22: 22 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.

23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;

24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
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#189538 - 07/19/10 02:07 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Quote:

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has defended the project, saying in a recent radio address, "If somebody wants to build a religious house of worship, they should do it and we shouldn't be in the business of picking which religions can and which religions can't."

"I think it's fair to say if somebody was going to try to on that piece of property build a church or a synagogue, nobody would be yelling and screaming," he added. "And the fact of the matter is that Muslims have a right to do it too."


i'd just as soon the area were a sort of religion-neutral zone - no religious institutions at all - since the matter is such a source of divisiveness.
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#189547 - 07/19/10 02:53 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: starlight.2]
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how many jewish, catholic, baptist, hindu, budhist etc are blowing things up around the world?
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#189549 - 07/19/10 03:16 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Look at the blood shed in N. Ireland over the years.
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#189550 - 07/19/10 03:17 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Do we count violence & bombing in Gaza?
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#189551 - 07/19/10 03:20 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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that's not worldwide.
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#189552 - 07/19/10 03:22 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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But it is terrorism.
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#189554 - 07/19/10 03:44 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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flix sure is stretching things lately, lol....

talk terrorism that affects usa soil

a mosque at 9/11, i say no way......... bad memories i think will piss people off
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#189556 - 07/19/10 03:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
But it is terrorism.


of course, but not on a worldwide scale.

can you honestly say you have no concerns when it comes to the religion of islam
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#189557 - 07/19/10 03:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
But it is terrorism.


of course, but not on a worldwide scale.

can you honestly say you have no concerns when it comes to the religion of islam
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#189558 - 07/19/10 03:52 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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can you honestly say you have no concerns when it comes to the religion of islam

Only the extremists concern me.
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#189559 - 07/19/10 03:54 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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It may be their right but it defies prudence and common sense. Is the mosque Sunni or Shite? Will they send in terrorist bombers? If it's one school or the other will they need another mosque?
Considering Islam and its branches have a poorly defined leadership who do we deal with for this project?

It may be their right but I would consider it putting the indigenous population of the area in danger. That's enough to disallow it for me.
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#189560 - 07/19/10 03:56 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64

can you honestly say you have no concerns when it comes to the religion of islam

Only the extremists concern me.


same here. unfortunately, the extremists ARE here too and that in turn makes it difficult for the peaceful muslims.
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#189562 - 07/19/10 04:01 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64

can you honestly say you have no concerns when it comes to the religion of islam

Only the extremists concern me.


lol, thats like saying i only fear people who will hurt me
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#189563 - 07/19/10 04:02 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
flix sure is stretching things lately, lol....

Mon Jul 12, 7:02 pm ET
BELFAST (AFP) – Catholic rioters in Northern Ireland hurled petrol bombs, rocks and other missiles at a Protestant parade and their police escort Monday, seriously injuring a female officer.

Police responded by firing rubber bullets and a water cannon in a bid to subdue the demonstrators, in the latest outbreak of violence on the biggest day of the British province's marching season.

The demonstrators were attempting to block the annual march of Protestant Orangemen passing the Ardoyne shops in the north of the city, a notorious flashpoint in the Northern Irish capital
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Northern Ireland bomb goes off outside police stationSenior police officer says bombers intended to kill PSNI officers when they left car outside Newtownhamilton base

A car bomb has exploded outside a police station in Northern Ireland, the second apparent attack by dissident republicans at the same base inside a week.
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#189564 - 07/19/10 04:04 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

lol, thats like saying i only fear people who will hurt me

Are you afraid of all people?
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#189568 - 07/19/10 04:22 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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i dont want anyone innocernt killed, its ireland, fighting a long time, i dont care, it dont affect us

yea sure flix, i fear everyone....... rolls my eyes

seriously, in 20 years ive prob been fearful about 10 times due to punks
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#189569 - 07/19/10 04:29 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

seriously, in 20 years ive prob been fearful about 10 times due to punks

So, you only fear the people who might hurt you?
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#189570 - 07/19/10 04:41 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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whats with the dumb questions flix? hehe

id fear anyone who would hurt someone, in person fears obviously more intense than a fear of someone in diff country

quit playing games flix, if u wanna know something ask, quit trying to build yr posts up 1 useless question at a time so u can put all together and twist words. lol
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#189571 - 07/19/10 04:52 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
whats with the dumb questions flix? hehe

I was just trying to determine if it's dumb to admit you are only concerned by people who will hurt you...be them Muslims, or punks.
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#189572 - 07/19/10 04:54 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: lazer]
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THE IRISH HAVE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE ENGLISH TOOK OVER THE NORTHERN PART OF THEIR COUNTRY... I DONT BLAME THEM, AGAIN THAT IS NOT WORLDWIDE.

PAUL SAYS IT VERY WELL

sorry caos
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#189573 - 07/19/10 04:57 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i hope they designate the building historic... problem solved, for now.
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#189578 - 07/19/10 05:36 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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There are Islamist believers and extremists and it is only one step over the line to become one or the other according to the koran. To be true to the koran 100 per cent you must be an extremist. Othertwise you are not following Mohhammeds words.
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#189584 - 07/19/10 06:12 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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2 Chronices 15: 12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;

13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
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Deuteronomy 13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
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#189586 - 07/19/10 06:25 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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True scriptures Flicka but how long has it been since those commands were given and the killing and burning of a city and peoples? Currently Muslim extremists are going about killing and maiming those who go against Islam. You will not have found any of Israel following those ancient commands for thousands of years , have you? Which religion is most current in todays world?
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#189591 - 07/19/10 06:40 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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The Catholics & Protestants are still at each others' throats in Ireland. There are still plenty of religious motivated 'wars' left in the world that aren't founded in Islam.
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#189592 - 07/19/10 06:44 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Gaza hospitals in horror: Burns from phosphorus bombs
NEWS STORY | UPDATED: January 15, 2009
GAZA CITY — An overwhelming number of patients in the hospitals at Gaza are suffering from severe burns as a result of the use of white phosphorous bombs by the Israeli army, report ACT International contacts from Gaza City. Additionally, people that remain in areas where heavy confrontation is taking place are afraid to leave their homes for fear of being targeted by Israeli Special Forces who are shooting at anything that moves
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#189593 - 07/19/10 06:46 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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But the Catholic and Protestants are focused to a small area of the world. Extrenmist Islam is world wide. No comparison whatsoever! And the Catholics and Protestants attack only within those ranks. Islam attacks where ever they presume Mohhammed has been spoken out agasinst or abused in any way any where anyone.
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#189594 - 07/19/10 06:48 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
But the Catholic and Protestants are focused to a small area of the world. Extrenmist Islam is world wide. No comparison whatsoever!

How many attacks by extreme Islam have happened worldwide since 9-11?
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#189595 - 07/19/10 06:57 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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One Dutchman slain because of cartoon I think. One author running for his life since he wrote a book equating the koran to satans verses..they haven't caught Rushdy yet as far as I know. There have been scads of military barracks and other ambassadorial buildings inj vartious countries being blown to smithereens there have been hundred of thousands of Islam atrocities against peace loving Israelites around the world but focused mainly on Israel. I could dig up hundreds more but don't want to spend my time in this endeavor.
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#189596 - 07/19/10 06:58 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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And several decapitated American business and military men burned and dragged through numerous streets around the world.
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#189597 - 07/19/10 07:09 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
I could dig up hundreds more but don't want to spend my time in this endeavor.

You didn't dig up any of those mentioned as yet.
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#189601 - 07/19/10 07:35 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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here's one over a freakin cartoon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

bombings killing more than 100. i know not all islam, but nost
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/globalterrorism1.html


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#189602 - 07/19/10 07:40 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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24 dead in bangladesh
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/globalterrorism1.html
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#189603 - 07/19/10 07:43 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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islamic terrorist on the rise worldwide since 9/11
from msnbc
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435/
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#189607 - 07/19/10 08:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Thanks for the help guys. Those I mentioned are common knowledge from the news over the last few years, Flicka. You are good at googling aren't you? :-)
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#189608 - 07/19/10 08:52 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Looks like Johnboy has found a few? facts about extremist Islamic murdery around the world.
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#189610 - 07/19/10 09:26 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64

bombings killing more than 100. i know not all islam, but nost
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/globalterrorism1.html

This is the most updated one of the bunch. Note the terror attacks in the US...or the American continent for that matter.

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#189611 - 07/19/10 09:29 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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You are good at googling aren't you? :-)

Anyone who wants to know what is really going on should be able to type a few words into google & check out the truth. Bill even knows how to search.
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#189625 - 07/20/10 08:57 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Oh boy.

Seriously? No attacks worldwide by Muslims, is that the premise? Northern Ireland and the like is not waging a global Jihad. Come on Flicka, seriously? And I've been pretty articulate of my feelings about Islam, but global? Really? Unless there s a body count limit.
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#189628 - 07/20/10 10:30 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: corlorde]
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No attacks worldwide by Muslims, is that the premise?

No. The premise is that most Muslims are not extremists and the entire religion should not be feared.
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#189629 - 07/20/10 11:04 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: corlorde
No attacks worldwide by Muslims, is that the premise?

No. The premise is that most Muslims are not extremists and the entire religion should not be feared.


That is not the premise. imo the premise is the muslims should be monitored VERY closely for extremist activity AND a mosque doesnt bellong so close to ground zero.
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#189631 - 07/20/10 11:06 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: corlorde
Oh boy.

Seriously? No attacks worldwide by Muslims, is that the premise? Northern Ireland and the like is not waging a global Jihad. Unless there s a body count limit.


you notice the only one flix seem to like was over 100 deaths.
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#189635 - 07/20/10 11:33 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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you notice the only one flix seem to like was over 100 deaths.

Besides the cartoon one, the only other link is from 2004. The one "I like" also lists deaths from Iraq & Afghanistan.
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#189639 - 07/20/10 12:24 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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How can we trust Muslims. What visual evidence that we can see will give us confidence that a particular muslim is peaceable? Their entire direction and will is to convert every human being to Islam and when they are strong enough in numbers they will kill those who refuse. They say the most powerful weapon Islam owns is Muslim wombs! How can you fight against that attitude when the extremist leaps to safety behind womens skirts? and then stabs you in the back!
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#189646 - 07/20/10 02:23 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Their entire direction and will is to convert every human being to Islam and when they are strong enough in numbers they will kill those who refuse.

This is no more true than saying the focus of the Bible is to kill all who refuse to convert.

2 Chronices 15: 13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
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Deuteronomy 13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city(who worship other gods) with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
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#189650 - 07/20/10 02:50 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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lol flix, that doesnt hold up anymore hasnt for centuries that i know of...
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#189651 - 07/20/10 03:04 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Gaza hospitals in horror: Burns from phosphorus bombs
NEWS STORY | UPDATED: January 15, 2009
GAZA CITY — An overwhelming number of patients in the hospitals at Gaza are suffering from severe burns as a result of the use of white phosphorous bombs by the Israeli army, report ACT International contacts from Gaza City. Additionally, people that remain in areas where heavy confrontation is taking place are afraid to leave their homes for fear of being targeted by Israeli Special Forces who are shooting at anything that moves
. more
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#189653 - 07/20/10 03:28 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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worldwide? i know about gaza and ireland/n. irelad (those are christians fightin each though)
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#189658 - 07/20/10 04:24 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Yet, all similar in religious motivations. Terrorism in the name of God.

My point being that the majority of Muslims are exactly the same as the majority of Jews & Christians. Our Holy books contain passages condoning the killing of those who don't believe in our God. The majority of Muslims do not follow those passages any more than Christians follow the verse in Chronicles, or Jews follow the verse in Deuteronomy.
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#189661 - 07/20/10 04:28 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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yes, but we havent acted on them in how long on the worldwide stage
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#189663 - 07/20/10 04:33 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I don't see that as being pertinent. We still have crazies, who follow crazy notions they "gleaned" from the Bible. (i.e. Jim Jones)
The majority of Muslims are just like Jews & Christians...non extreme.


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#189664 - 07/20/10 04:35 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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lol...JB if you define your parameters narrowly enough you can make any statement true. We don't resort to terrorism, because we are powerful. We do just invade and force our will in other ways. Democracy and Capitalism (Christianity to a lesser extent) are the religions we push militarily. We act on them regularly.
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#189670 - 07/20/10 04:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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i dont find it funny, shakes, but ok.

i dont see christians, jews, athiests etc running into restaurants, subways, trains stations, flying planes into buildings and on n on
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#189671 - 07/20/10 05:02 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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I don't see that as being pertinent. We still have crazies, who follow crazy notions they "gleaned" from the Bible. (i.e. Jim Jones)
The majority of Muslims are just like Jews & Christians...non extreme.


i never ever said the majority of muslims were extremists
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#189672 - 07/20/10 05:10 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I was laughing at your stretching to make your point not terrorism.

But you do see us invading countries and in other ways trying to further our agenda, don't you? They don't have armies. They fight back the only way they can much like we did against the British long ago.
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#189677 - 07/20/10 05:44 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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America is not attacking anyone religiously as the Muslims are Shakey. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. You are only an atheist using whatever means you can to discredit Gods word! Flicka the Jews are only defending themselves from muslim cowards who hide behind women and children and hospitals and lob their rockets without warning to whomever it hits in Israel! And then cry like children when Israel defends herself with whatever force they deem neccessary. You listen to lousy lying palestinian news stories from the mouths of extremist liars who are bent on totally wiping Israel from the face of the earth. These extremist muslims need to be turned back into the materials they are made of..Dirt! I despise their attitudes and actions!
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#189680 - 07/20/10 05:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Wake up Paul. We have done it ever since we had the power to force our will on others. As for not having a clue, that is your gig once again.
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#189681 - 07/20/10 05:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i never ever said the majority of muslims were extremists

I know, JB. We pretty much agreed back on page two.
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#189683 - 07/20/10 05:54 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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When has America gone to war for religion Shakey? We have always had politically inspired underhandedness driving our wars or just plain defense.
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#189684 - 07/20/10 05:56 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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You listen to lousy lying palestinian news stories from the mouths of extremist liars who are bent on totally wiping Israel from the face of the earth.

Which part of the article is not true? The part about white phosphorous bombs, or the bombing of Gaza?
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#189685 - 07/20/10 05:58 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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War is hell Flicka and it was not started by the Jews..just extremist Isamists following the harsh word of the koran.
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#189694 - 07/20/10 06:44 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
I was laughing at your stretching to make your point not terrorism.

But you do see us invading countries and in other ways trying to further our agenda, don't you? They don't have armies. They fight back the only way they can much like we did against the British long ago.


you mean like iraq? i do believe the majority of iraqi wanyed and were happy we came and removed saddam... not so much now. i was never for going into iraq. bietnam no clue what we accoplished or why were there. s.,. korea i think was/are happy we had their back. ww2 and ww1 self explanatory.
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#189697 - 07/20/10 06:54 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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Democracy and Capitalism (Christianity to a lesser extent) are the religions we push militarily.

Rumsfeld & his "onward Christian soldiers" theme comes to mind.
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#189699 - 07/20/10 07:07 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Iraq I and II, Grenada, Panama, Somalia Yugoslavia etc etc. We have been pretty aggressive.
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#189701 - 07/20/10 07:10 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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When has America gone to war for religion Shakey? We have always had politically inspired underhandedness driving our wars or just plain defense.
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Try to pay attention, Paul. As I said before: Democracy and Capitalism (Christianity to a lesser extent) are the religions we push militarily.
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#189702 - 07/20/10 07:29 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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those ARE MILITARY actions not based on religion. liberals cry we need to go free them from opression, and other reasons of humanity, but once we're there we'r the bad guy... sigh. cant win
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#189703 - 07/20/10 07:33 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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And we aren't pushing our religion? You must be sleeping with Paul.
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#189706 - 07/20/10 07:42 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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post a few links that support that... and not all liberal sites lol
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#189708 - 07/20/10 07:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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How many times do I have to repeat it? Democracy and Capitalism (Christianity to a lesser extent) are the religions we push militarily. We have been doing it ever since we landed here. A friend who's Navajo says it well when he says his people have been fighting terrorism since 1492.
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#189711 - 07/20/10 08:29 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
post a few links that support that... and not all liberal sites lol


The stated objective for virtually every military conflict we've been in for the last 100 years has been to spread Democracy or prevent some other ideology from spreading. This has been stated differently at different times, but the objective has always been the same. From Wilson's making the world safe for democracy to both Bushs' spreading democracy it runs through our history.
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#189713 - 07/20/10 08:59 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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Democracy and capitalism are not religions and anyone who thinks they are haven't got a full load of marbles.
Onward christian soldiers, Flicka is the march of christians to preach the gospel. The onmly one we fight is satan and his angels. It is a very far reach to compare American Military to Christian soldiers of the Lord.
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#189714 - 07/20/10 09:05 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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ohh, i agree with that, but the countries we co into the majority of ppl want uss there.
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#189715 - 07/20/10 09:11 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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If you don't think political ideologies have become religion for many, you haven't been paying attention. We have been spreading our religion of democracy and capitalism with some Christianity tossed in for as long as we've been a country.
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#189717 - 07/20/10 09:12 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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So our leaders and some of the press say.
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#189719 - 07/20/10 09:34 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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#189720 - 07/20/10 09:46 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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It is a very far reach to compare American Military to Christian soldiers of the Lord.

Not if you are Donald Rumsfeld.

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#189722 - 07/21/10 01:21 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Oddly for once I have to agree with Paulwa... I really can't see how any of the wars the U.S. entered or started were based on religion... I will concede that there is a strong religious (christian) mentality and motivation in the military mindset (particularly the USAF), but I don't believe it has ever had any direct influence in the decision for the U.S. to go into any war...

As far as this "war on terrorism" is concerned, the religious aspect is (in my view) not Islam itself, but extremism... There are millions of muslims in the world and only a very small minority are involved in terrorism... Just as there are millions of christians, but there is a small minority that are extremist enough to be considered dangerous (white supremists -such as McVeigh, christian militias, pro-life activists that kill doctors, etc.) and I don't think it's that difficult to imagine it would take much for them to cross the line into terrorist acts and justify it via the bible and/or christian rhetoric... I believe that with most of these cases that religion is the excuse, not the reason... The people behind these acts use religion to manipulate those into doing their bidding... Look at Osama Bin Ladin, whenever he speaks or sends out a tape, most of his arguement isn't really about religion, but of policies and corruption of the west (U.S. and Europe) and it's influence on Islamic countries... It seems he uses politics when speaking to his enemy and religion when speaking to his followers...

But then again, I could be wrong...

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As far as the main topic of a mosque near ground zero, I honestly have no problem with it, in fact I applaud it... I believe it would represent a way for those who are muslim to go to face the consequences of the dangers of how their religion can be pervered and to truely embrace it as a religion of peace... In addition it may open the eyes of americans that most muslims are peaceful and by having a place of worship so near the epicenter can be seen as an atonement for an atrocity performed in their religion's name...

I can see how many would have a problem with it, but if one really looks below the surface, it really is an elegant way for both sides to come to terms with the events of 911... At least in my opinion...


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#189728 - 07/21/10 08:19 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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How can we trust Muslims.


We have no choice. You are aware that the majority of people fighting and dying in our wars are in fact Muslim? We would not be able to execute our national overseas security directives to wit: "The War o n terror" without the help of Muslims. That's just how it is. Distrusting an entire group of people based on their religion is shortsighted and foolish. To do so would be at our peril.


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#189733 - 07/21/10 11:40 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: corlorde]
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The problem is the book they follow comes first in their lives. Just as the bible is the book christians follow...but christians have not made a vow to wipe a country off the face of the earth or to kill those who don't accept christianity. And then their is the case of Muslims in service to our country..problems like the one that just happened in Texas by an American Muslim who finally made a choice and killed a few Americans for Allah! Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.
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#189735 - 07/21/10 11:49 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.

In that case, you are obviously correct in all you believe.

Incredible.
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#189740 - 07/21/10 12:55 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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The problem is the book they follow comes first in their lives. Just as the bible is the book christians follow...but christians have not made a vow to wipe a country off the face of the earth or to kill those who don't accept christianity. And then their is the case of Muslims in service to our country..problems like the one that just happened in Texas by an American Muslim who finally made a choice and killed a few Americans for Allah! Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.
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aaaand we're back to crazytown... Do you honestly believe that every muslim out there has "made a vow to wipe a country off the face of the earth or to kill those who don't accept christianity"?... If this were true, I think either Christianity or Islam wouldn't even exist today... One would have wiped the other a looong time ago...

You are obviously taking the example of the very few extremists and applying it to all muslims... I'm sure there are muslims who share your P.O.V. and assume all christians are exactly like the few extremists in it's ranks... You are coming more and more across as having more similarities and in common with these people than differences... At least in my opinion... The more you obsess about your enemy, the more like him you become...
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#189741 - 07/21/10 01:08 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: inkblister]
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Only the Muslims who follow its book to the letter. But who knows when a peaceful moderate muslim will decide to jihad? Until he acts there is no evidence he is remaining peaceful.
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#189742 - 07/21/10 01:21 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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So what are you trying to say?... Your arguement seems to be "we should put this dog down because it *might* bite someone even though it hasn't"...

The exact arguement can be said about christians... But who knows when a peaceful moderate christian will decide to kill another doctor who performs abortions or kill a homosexual?... Until he acts there is no evidence he is remaining tolerant...
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#189744 - 07/21/10 02:02 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: inkblister]
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[quote=Paulwa_dup1]The problem is the book they follow comes first in their lives. Just as the bible is the book christians follow...but christians have not made a vow to wipe a country off the face of the earth or to kill those who don't accept christianity. And then their is the case of Muslims in service to our country..problems like the one that just happened in Texas by an American Muslim who finally made a choice and killed a few Americans for Allah! Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.
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You are obviously taking the example of the very few extremists and applying it to all muslims...
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And, this is unlike how a few of you post consistently an article about the big bad christians so you can all dally on over to it and spill your insides out? ha! You guys and gals are a trip, really. Starlight starts a thread over and again on the religion forum to let it rip...and, you do. And, everything is fine as long as everyone else just STFU. You are calling yourself crazy.

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#189746 - 07/21/10 02:38 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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Oh boo-hoo Aevory... The only reason I use christians as the example is because relateable to Paulwa (who is making the arguement) and the majority of readers here... You obviously have no idea what it's like to truely be in a minority, hence your inability to be sympathetic or empathetic to another point of view...

If we were in Israel, I would probably use the Jewish faith as the example... India; Hinduism... Japan; Buddhism... You're so busy nitpicking for trigger words that you're missing the big picture and the actual heart of the discussion...
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#189749 - 07/21/10 04:00 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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Starlight starts a thread over and again on the religion forum to let it rip...and, you do..

It makes for an active board. I thought that would make you happy.
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#189750 - 07/21/10 06:17 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Inkblister you are a sojourner in a foreign mind (Christian) and do not speak any different than any other individual. Christians have Gods Holy Spirit residing within them to teach them the ways of God. Not a christian..no holy spirit guiding you in the christian way. Biblically speaking.
Jesus said the gift of the Holy Spirit would be with eve3ry christian accepting Him as lord and saviour. He is our comforter, teacher and gives us peace in tribulation.
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#189755 - 07/21/10 07:13 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Christians have Gods Holy Spirit residing within them to teach them the ways of God. Not a christian..no holy spirit guiding you in the christian way. Biblically speaking.

Biblically speaking, Jesus didn't say that the holy spirit would only reside in Christians.
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#189756 - 07/21/10 07:17 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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paulwa, is not the typical christian flix, imo. no offense meant, paul, but you are extreme lol
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#189757 - 07/21/10 07:49 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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It just amazes me that a person will avoid the truth of one statement of Jesus directed at the world, yet take one that is obviously directed to a certain group of people as "gospel".

I guess it is true that everyone (including me) can find proof of any argument in the Bible...
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#189759 - 07/21/10 10:05 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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As you believe Flicka. :-)
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#189769 - 07/22/10 10:12 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
The problem is the book they follow comes first in their lives. Just as the bible is the book christians follow...but christians have not made a vow to wipe a country off the face of the earth or to kill those who don't accept christianity.


How do you account for the majority of Muslims who are fighting and dying for our stated objectives in the War on terror?

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And then their is the case of Muslims in service to our country..problems like the one that just happened in Texas by an American Muslim who finally made a choice and killed a few Americans for Allah!


This is true, but the fact remains we cannot wage our current war(s) without the help of Muslims. If you think we can analyze data that comes from these various countries without Muslims, think again. Major Nidal Malik Hasan fell through the cracks and there is no doubt about it.

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Obie has backpedalled all over the place to keep this little problem from bering thought on very much because he is a secret Muslim and has promised at the finsal poimnt to stand with the Muslims I thinmk he wrote about in his book.
Paul


I don't understand this. Could you articulate what you mean more please? You are aware aware that the President has escalated our war against "extremist Jihadism" to an unprecedented level, right? Guantanamo Bay is still open, rendition is still going on, and Predator Drone activity is reminiscent of our bombing of Cambodia...and that is happening in Pakistan, the Horn of Africa etc. Along with our SpecOps activity there. You might want to be more precise in your criticism...and there is plenty to criticize. It's hard not being a keyboard Ranger. Believe me, I know. My advice? Get it together, stay focused.

~Corey
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#189773 - 07/22/10 12:41 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: corlorde]
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First of all we know Obie is probably only after mineral treasure newly found in Afghanistan. We should be backing out of Iran and Afghanistan immediately and bringing our troops home and we should not be increasing forces in South Korea either. If we need to put our forces anywhere in my opinion it shoud be around Israel...BUT THEY DON'T AND WON'T NEED OUR HELP THERE EVER. Just our moral support for backup. It is time for our American version of Palidan to holster their peacemaker sixshooter, just saddle up and come home and let the chips fall where they may. IMO.
Thanks for the advice Colorde. Noted. :-)
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#189779 - 07/22/10 01:31 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
First of all we know Obie is probably only after mineral treasure newly found in Afghanistan.

lolol
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#189818 - 07/22/10 07:00 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
First of all we know Obie is probably only after mineral treasure newly found in Afghanistan.


In your estimation, was that the goal, all along?

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we should not be increasing forces in South Korea either.


We are not increasing forces in South Korea. We have removed several Brigades from South Korea since the time I was there. The mission I was once a part of is gone. 2ID has since been reorganized.
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#189832 - 07/22/10 09:23 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: corlorde]
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My uncle a couple of years mysenior spent time in South Korea during the early 50's. I went into the AF in 55 when it was all over. I know we aren't sending any troups over there..at least yet.
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#189843 - 07/23/10 07:08 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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I think comparing Afghanistan to Vietnam (the whole 'what USa wants to see for the people there as the outcome of war') is wrong. Not that that pertains to anything on this thread, I guess, but I honestly can say I respect Obama for staying the course of action by not w/drawing troops there. He has still not made clear what policy outcome we are aiming at so how can we know what his vision or goal was from the start? Maybe it's best we aren't privy to everything going on. I know if I were I'd probably be on NM about it making an ass of myself..cus I still wouldn't understand it. ha!

edit...my bro-in-law was in Vietnam as was his brother. He has never ever spoken about it and my sis says he's spoken little to her ...a couple of times, and only a few words to say it wasn't something he brings to mind and talks of cus it reinforces all the memories and he just can't.


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#189878 - 07/23/10 11:33 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory
[And, this is unlike how a few of you post consistently an article about the big bad christians so you can all dally on over to it and spill your insides out? ha! You guys and gals are a trip, really. Starlight starts a thread over and again on the religion forum to let it rip...and, you do. And, everything is fine as long as everyone else just STFU. You are calling yourself crazy.


aahaaa... starlight starts what???
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#189890 - 07/23/10 03:00 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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I think comparing Afghanistan to Vietnam (the whole 'what USa wants to see for the people there as the outcome of war') is wrong.

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There are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam. They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we are better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing. Yet this argument depends upon a false reading of history. Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action. Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency. And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan, and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border.
- President Barack Obama - Dec. 1, 2009 - U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y.,


No doubt our troops returning from Iraq & Afghanistan will have as many horrible memories as those who came home from Vietnam. In fact, I think it might be worse on the middle east troops as better, quicker medical care is saving more troops than survived Nam. Also, the tramatic brain injuries are so much higher than those TBI injuries in Nam. It's sad.
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#189893 - 07/23/10 04:32 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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There oughta be a mosque in christian heaven and a church in islam heaven. You believers really need to learn how to get along.
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#189894 - 07/23/10 04:38 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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There oughta be a mosque in christian heaven and a church in islam heaven. You believers really need to learn how to get along.

Are you kidding? We are still arguing whether God & Allah are the same entity.
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#189896 - 07/23/10 05:10 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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And "we"" know you are both nuts. We're just hopin we survive your interaction.
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#189897 - 07/23/10 05:32 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
And "we"" know you are both nuts. We're just hopin we survive your interaction.

Too bad. We Christians have the Jews on our side, so you all (y'all) are totally a minority. Just because Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah, doesn't mean that their G_d & our God aren't the same. Muslims have been trying to weasel their 'Allah' into the mix since they invented him.

TRUTH!


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#189905 - 07/23/10 07:40 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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100 percent flicka!!:-)
Shakey there are no churchs in heaven according to the bible..there will bbe a Jewish Temple but that may only be during the Millenium. Besides the body of christians are the church of Jesus Christ..the church building is only where we meet. For some it is a sumptuous sancutuary and for the poorest maybe leaky lean-too but God loves us all the same. As for the Jew's Messiah..they don't for the most part beleve Jesus is the messiah because he doesn't follow the pattern the Jews are looking for. We christians believe strongly that they will all accept Jesus when He comesback. A lotof Muslims who have accepted Jesus as saviour know that Allah is not Jehova. They have totally different personalities and laws. Maybe for some Islamiists when they see Jesus wioll accept Him and be saved. Dutring the Mllenioum when Jesus rulesd the earth from the throne of David there will be many living unbelievers who will accept Jesus and learn about the heavenly Father and gain eternal life. Those who don't will not gain eternal life or the favor of God for their crops or ways of earning a living and will diie after a 100 years or so and people will wonder why they died so young. IMO..
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#189919 - 07/24/10 08:47 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
We're just hopin we survive your interaction.


"I'm just hoping you survive any interaction with yourself, even if it be a simple handjob."

Aevory
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edit...There's had to be a lot of exchange of money covering all the days of my leaving the board.


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#189922 - 07/24/10 09:28 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Originally Posted By: shakey56
We're just hopin we survive your interaction.


"I'm just hoping you survive any interaction with yourself, even if it be a simple handjob."

Aevory
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LOL
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#189924 - 07/24/10 10:13 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
We're just hopin we survive your interaction.


"I'm just hoping you survive any interaction with yourself, even if it be a simple handjob."

Aevory
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edit...There's had to be a lot of exchange of money covering all the days of my leaving the board.


Well ty. I get along quite well with me. Rosy palm and her 4 daughters are still friends, but I don't play with them much preferring to play with my spouse.

How are you getting along with yourselves these days?

You have no idea! Paid for our new house!
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#189925 - 07/24/10 10:17 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
And "we"" know you are both nuts. We're just hopin we survive your interaction.

Too bad. We Christians have the Jews on our side, so you all (y'all) are totally a minority. Just because Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah, doesn't mean that their G_d & our God aren't the same. Muslims have been trying to weasel their 'Allah' into the mix since they invented him.

TRUTH!


Refresh my memory who invented whom first? Jews, God or Muslims Allah? I do know Jesus was Johnny come lately.
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#189935 - 07/24/10 01:09 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: shakey56]
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God invented them both, but then showed prejudice against the Muslims. Even though Ishmael (ancestor of muslims) was Abraham's first born son, God showed favor to Isaac and called his ancestors His chosen people. They've been fighting one another since...major sibling rivalry.
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#189961 - 07/24/10 08:41 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: flicka]
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And God will finally settle it and the Arab brothers will live alongside their Jewish brothers and share each others wealth and happiness. Jesus will rule the universe.
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#189963 - 07/24/10 08:57 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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The Johnny come lately? Yeah right, and Sarah Palin is intelligent, a foreign policy expert and the best candidate for president of MENSA.
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#189969 - 07/25/10 08:32 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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palin couldn't come up w/one (1) name of a newspaper in an interview w/katie couric--not one! if that's who the repub-party wants to run this country, then there's nothing left to say because that speaks for itself.

"could you repeat the question? i didn't have my hearing-aid turned on" (general stockdale, e ross perot's vp-nominee).
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#190042 - 07/26/10 09:56 AM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
My uncle a couple of years mysenior spent time in South Korea during the early 50's. I went into the AF in 55 when it was all over. I know we aren't sending any troups over there..at least yet.
Paul


I didn't realize that you were a veteran. Thanks for your service.

Our days of building up in South Korea are over. They have all the technology and hardware they need. If any ground troops were mver needed, we would bypass the outright defense of the DMZ and go straight in from the ocean (perpendicular to the ocean) and end the regime once and for all. At its widest point, S. Korea is 150 miles across along the DMZ (of which I once patrolled and set up static ambushes). It goes down into a peninsula where millions of people live... you cannot maneuver tanks in such an environment and N. Korea is better equipped to "re-fight" the Korean war. Not much in the forward thinking department. Remember, S. Korea has an awesome counterstrike capability. Not to mention their highly trained and motivated ground forces equipped and trained, thanks to us.

South Korea and us have been great allies, and defend them we will. And I am confident as my family is traveling there the first two weeks of August and I have NO worries, at all.

Be seeing you,

~Corey


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#190146 - 07/26/10 06:26 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: corlorde]
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Thank you for your service, Colorde. The Korean action was a war if I ever heard of one and it was hell to be there fighting in winter from what I know, or any other time.

I was just a peacetime airman, so not a real veteran. I was a radar operator doing guess what? Watching the Mexican border by sweep and vertical radar and tracking air traffic through Texas. My big excitement was around 57 when Sputnik was launched by the USSR..maybe 58..don't remember, anyway I marched around our barb wire base perimeter carrying an empty .30 AF Carbine and an empty .45 auto on my hip in fatigues and brown cowboy boots. Guess if an enemy had appeared I could have thrown the guns at them, Ha!
Paul


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#190376 - 07/29/10 04:33 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Getting back to the thread topic, I just discovered there already is an existing mosque 800 feet closer to ground zero than the proposed new mosque... It is called Masjid Manhattan and has been there since 1970...

In addition, There is a Japanese Shinto Shrine right next to the Pearl Harbor Memorial in Hawaii called Hawaii Kotohira Jinsha - Hawaii Dazaifu Tenmangu that has been there since 1920...

Just thought it may enlighten some here to the idea that a new mosque near GZ isn't really a big deal...
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#190377 - 07/29/10 04:53 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: inkblister]
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Getting back to the thread topic, I just discovered there already is an existing mosque 800 feet closer to ground zero than the proposed new mosque... It is called Masjid Manhattan and has been there since 1970...



The Hell you say!

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#190380 - 07/29/10 05:16 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: ævory]
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#190387 - 07/29/10 06:38 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: inkblister]
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Considering the Muslim custom of buying property and putting up Mosgues that can never ever be removed once they are built., this is the primary reason it should not be built. Just one more bit of ground handed over as well to Al Queuda.
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#190388 - 07/29/10 06:39 PM Re: mosque at ground zero 9/11 ?? [Re: inkblister]
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I have been wondering if anyone would point out that we've had a Muslim presence there for years. I wonder why they haven't received as much grief as other locations? In fact, I would have expected the Muslims who DO plan to build a new mosque in the area would have been harrassed by now.
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