#189705 - 07/20/10 07:38 PM
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ghoti
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It's a very COMFORTING theory, and IMO that's a big part of the appeal. It's also a convenient way for the true believers to feel superior to others, I suppose.
I remember my grandmother listening to preachers saying these same things on her radio over 50 years ago, so it's nothing new. You'd think people would wise up eventually, though.
After 2000 years of waiting, you'd think folks would be tired of it by now.
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#189710 - 07/20/10 08:15 PM
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It's also a convenient way for the true believers to feel superior to others, I suppose.
I'm just assuming that you meant "true believers in the pre-trib rapture"? 
I guess thinking you are so special you will be chosen ahead of other people is a 'superiority' complex, but you can't tell that to a chosen one. In their line of thinking, there is no other way that might be correct.
Broad path - narrow gate.
No question about it. Unless you are an orthodox jew. Then the path is narrow...same for Muslims. It's hard under the old books.
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#189712 - 07/20/10 08:51 PM
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Sorry I am a wet blanket. Guess I thought everyone would be interested in such a big occuurance but guess everyone already has there own opinions. Hardly ever see any new faces in here so guess I just need to quit talking about it. But when it happerns it will be way to late to say anything.
Paul :-)
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#189716 - 07/20/10 09:12 PM
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ghoti
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Paulwa, have you ever thought about volunteering to work with youth groups at your church? You'd have fresh faces to work with who may have never heard your message.
I'm sure your church would welcome someone with your experience and enthusiasm. Working with kids is incredibly rewarding and helps me keep an optimistic view of the future.
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#189731 - 07/21/10 11:15 AM
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No I am so physicaslly up and down working with any regularity is practically out of the question. The arthritis is hitting me from a brand new angle. Maybe satan trying to put my guitar playing out of commission. My elbow on my left arm has something terrible going on with it. My arms are numb and since I stopped taking the meds (Flexerel) the Dr. prescribed I am taking nothing to help the problem. I have a constant pain in thre middle of my elbow and a red mark on the outside that just stays all the time. I think I will have to go back in for further tesdts next werek. I wanted to set up a class for playing slide guitar a year ago at our senior center as it is a very easy way to learn guitar but that fell through. I might try to get sa few guitars sret up for slide and teach a few at church who might be interested. Don't know yet. You play guitar Ghhoti, maybe you should set your guitar up temporarily for slide, you might be suprised at what you are capsable of. It does give you a totally new sound. Wouldn't cost more than around $30 and you csan restore youre guitar to regular by only removing the nut riser. I tune my guitar to open E chord but there are many tuninmgs to explore even the C6th tuning used in Hawaiian music. I have developed a very personal style of playing I haven't heard before. It is a combination of rythem sturumming with arpegio fills. Well there is probly much more to my sound than I am describing but you get the idea. Playing basic slide rythem is very easy and sounds pretty nice.
Paul
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#189801 - 07/22/10 04:58 PM
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ghoti
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Well, I think you're missing a golden opportunity. You love to try to spread your message, and this would give you a new and probably more receptive audience.
Disability takes away some of our abilities for sure, but it would seem you still have the ability to talk with groups of young people. It would also give you a fresh perspective on life.
After 34 years of teaching/tutoring I can honestly say I've learned more from my students than most of them ever learned from me.
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#189807 - 07/22/10 05:43 PM
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ævory
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After 34 years of teaching/tutoring I can honestly say I've learned more from my students than most of them ever learned from me.
You know, you can't just teach anywhere you choose to with churches, either. They insist you be a full member of their church and that you won't be going to other churches. I know this because it happens around me and I hear of the incidents.
And I wonder, ghoti, for all you guys' hunting and pecking of Paulwa's beliefs, you've done so because too many of youse find it bothering...what he says. So , like always, you think you're doing what you do to him for the good of the board.
yet....you advocate he spread it to kids...church or no church, Baptist holy roller church or another, why would you find it a nice thought for him to do, if you don't advocate anyone having to listen to him online. I miss the reasoning there. And I don't want to hear how he'd be in his element...or any of that. How, something which you find repulsive to think about, could be alright to spread around to kids, again, church or no church...is beyond me.
and i have no problem with him here talkin bout anything.
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#189816 - 07/22/10 06:35 PM
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ghoti
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Ronda, if you'd been paying attention you'd realize that I have complimented Paulwa on his faith MANY times. He and everyone else are free to believe what they like, I encouraged him to talk about his beliefs to young people within his church since that audience would be far more receptive than most folks here.
The things that I call him on are ALWAYS over statements he makes that he claims are factual when it can clearly be demonstrated that they aren't true. Paulwa BELIEVES certain things that I disagree with, but I'm perfectly OK with that. We've been discussing those things with mutual respect for many years now.
In my career as a teacher I won the teacher of the year award for our district, Upper Peninsula science teacher of the year award, and was twice nominated for statewide teacher of the year (once in Wisconsin and again in Michigan). The only indoctrination I ever gave students was to never accept anything told them by others (including me) without checking it out for themselves.
I joined Facebook last year at the urging of my son and daughter and through it have reconnected with over 200 former students, some of whom are just turning 50 years of age. I've received a huge amount of good will from them and they pretty much all say they remember me fondly.
If you want any insight into this, here's the link to my Facebook page so you can see for yourself:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/profile.php?id=575650997
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#189837 - 07/23/10 04:34 AM
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ævory
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Yes, Mr.Grownup, I understand. Just like you had no problem with Wabi, had some challenging debates with him, and let us know about it, a number of times. Yet, just like Emma said to him, you advocated for his finding another political board, one more of the engineer mind and level of interest he had/worked in. You have no problem with another cus you've no problem with the 'ragging on their ass' that goes on by you and your fellow bunch. I leave you to it. I leave you all to it. Dwindle dwindle dwindle....shutdown.
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#189838 - 07/23/10 04:38 AM
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ævory
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I understand an art teacher getting creative and not teaching by the book cus art is that way. I think if more teaching by the book in other subjects went on, then more teachers wouldn't have the need to remind students to question everything, and I probably haven't the insight to know for sure what you did in your teaching day, but I bet you reminded them of that Everytime you hit upon a piece of the books that made your jaw clamp down.
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#189851 - 07/23/10 09:04 AM
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ghoti
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I apologize for blowing my own horn, but it rankles me when you imply I was a lousy teacher. I gave up a career as a chemical engineer to go into teaching and never regretted my choice.
I enjoy good rousing discussions, and I had many with Wabi and lots of other folks. I strongly disagreed with him on many of his opinions but he always had good facts to back up his arguments, and I respect that.
It bugs me when people spread false information, and when I see that I call them on it. I don't get why that concept bothers you and you think it constitutes "hounding" people. IMO people should not go around making strong statements on any subject unless they can back them up.
Take a good look around NM these days, Ronda. It's a pale imitation of what it once was and folks like me, Paulwa, Flicka, JB, PaulI, Greg, Shakey, Inkblister, you, and a handful of others are about the only ones keeping it alive. If we stopped having heated discussions the place would dry up and blow away.
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#189853 - 07/23/10 09:29 AM
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ævory
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Yer right, ghoti, and where you are wrong is that pretrib talk and such is largely interpretation of what is in the Bible and of inert belief...meaning that there isn;t anythg a believer in it can do to really prove it..it is belief that you also cannot prove isn't gonna happen. You think you can by quoting this or that....he does the same... and so, by that simple concept, whether you say that there isn't anythng in the Bible to prove it or not, it stands amongst believers who do say it will happen. Why, cus it's belief and voicing it is his own dang business. Reading it is your business. I'm thru.
For myself, to come around to read the input of paulwa, which I've always enjoyed, and you and others as well, makes me nuts anymore...cus just like every other topic in the universe posted on NM, it boils down to someone's got something stuck in their craw. Do you know how insulted I felt FOR paulwa when I;ve read elsewhere (won't say where) when he has attempted to post about something other than what bothered youse...only to hear, by long-time members that they never knew he was into *this or that* and youse EVEN went to the extent of saying, There ya go! paulw...we Knew you could do it...............................when, truth is, from the moment the man entered this board, so many years ago, he posted on those very things. And I read him. I knew. What is so totally disgusting is to find you guys all focused on what gets stuck in your craw....because It (whatever it is) is ALWAYS taking precedent in these threads. Now I don't care to hear anymore. I know what I see. And whatever you write I'm not gonna read it...on continuing this farce. Yeah, I'm part of the whole 'this repeat isn't working" thing.
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#189858 - 07/23/10 10:20 AM
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flicka
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What is so totally disgusting is to find you guys all focused on what gets stuck in your craw....because It (whatever it is) is ALWAYS taking precedent in these threads.
I think this is stuck in your craw.
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#189859 - 07/23/10 10:24 AM
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ævory
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What is so totally disgusting is to find you guys all focused on what gets stuck in your craw....because It (whatever it is) is ALWAYS taking precedent in these threads. I think this is stuck in your craw.
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#189861 - 07/23/10 10:28 AM
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ghoti
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Well, you or anyone else are free to just ignore those threads, ya know. Paulwa gives as good as he gets and a few years back there were several others who totally agreed with him and I was in the minority, but that didn't intimidate me. I enjoy a rousing discussion as long as it stays respectful.
If someone wants to believe in the pre-trib notion, more power to them. The fact of the matter is that there is no DIRECT support for it anywhere in the Bible, though.
Its supporters take 3 or 4 clauses out of context from far-flung places in the Bible as their rationale. If that works for you, fine, but there are also a lot of passages that directly contract it and the mainstream churches do not accept it as valid doctrine.
When someone comes here and blatantly states their religious viewpoint is the ONLY correct one and all others are false then they're going to get attacked by a whole bunch of people. Doesn't matter what religion they're spouting. This forum is entitled "Faith and Religion", which should encompass all viewpoints. It isn't called "Christian Fundamentalism".
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