#189371 - 07/16/10 02:21 PM
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flicka
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Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
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#189422 - 07/16/10 09:44 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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God just laying down the rules for early Israel. God in the beginning mentions the Gods as Eloim. I think this is the trinity. God gave tribal leaders to rule the tribes and the people were not to curse their leadings and decisions.
My take on it.
Paul
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#190267 - 07/27/10 08:45 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Wicca is just a bunch of garbage concocted by satan. Wiccans have no idea what they worship.
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#190270 - 07/27/10 09:03 PM
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ghoti
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Actually, Wiccans know exactly what they worship. It's the creator in the form of a mother-earth Goddess. I'm always amazed at the different ways the glory of the creator has been revealed to people of different cultures.
I don't know what that has to do with flicka's original post, however.
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#190277 - 07/28/10 06:22 AM
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ævory
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wicca is a culture? now i understand the thinking of a liberal even better.
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#190280 - 07/28/10 07:59 AM
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ghoti
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Practice reading comprehension skills, please. The Wiccan religion developed long ago among the mostly rural people of northern Europe, who had a very different culture from more city-oriented southern Europeans. People of different cultures tend to have very different views of the creator.
IMO that may well be because he has revealed himself (or herself) to different people over time in ways that would make sense to them. If God is infinite, then it would make perfect sense to do exactly that.
Edited by ghoti (07/28/10 08:00 AM)
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#190297 - 07/28/10 12:12 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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I really don't have any knowledge about Wiccans. My book of guidance, the bible says there is a lot of false religions in the world. So for me if it doesn't follow the bible it is..
Paul
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#190304 - 07/28/10 01:47 PM
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ævory
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Practice reading comprehension skills, please. The Wiccan religion developed long ago among the mostly rural people of northern Europe, who had a very different culture from more city-oriented southern Europeans. People of different cultures tend to have very different views of the creator.
IMO that may well be because he has revealed himself (or herself) to different people over time in ways that would make sense to them. If God is infinite, then it would make perfect sense to do exactly that.
The Wiccan religion developed long ago among the mostly rural people of northern Europe, who had a very different culture from more city-oriented southern Europeans <----See, the beauty of this statement? You get to say it, and if there were a Wiccan on the board (anyone? kimberlyb, maybe?) they really wouldn't be interested in debating you over it because they don't know and don't care.
People of different cultures tend to have very different views of the creator<------ This is why I was surprised at your choice of words, ghoti. It is also why I said what I did. And it fits into the sack of correctness for the rest of your understanding of the Wiccan religion, according to you.
I spent a good deal of time when I moved to CA over 5 yrs ago buying and reading books on Wiccan. I had a man I was dating who was......1/2 this and half that....and he was pretty energized by what he believed, and he suggested I look into it. That doesn't mean I know a thing about anything. But I do remember being conflicted by the places in CA where I could have met with those who practiced Wiccan ....comparing, in my imagination, the benefit of practicing it and learning it on my own. SINGLE person....vs joining a covent/group. See, in all the books I had, and I must have bought around 5...none of them agreed on whether one can truly BE a wiccan or hold wiccan belief w/o being part of a group of others. I never Did do anything with what I learned except...lol, go to a local neighborhood lake/park and draw a circle around my wheelchair in the hot sand...and think. Much later, the books went out the window, for me, and I didn't do any witchcraft to make it happen.
So, a religion which does not recognize a specific culture (I mean, I've always thought first of the Celtics) added to the fact that there is no real definitive knowledge of how to get a religion Off the ground...tells me that your statement about the Wiccan way is, just IYO. It is false and misleading. You may be right...on some level, but you don't know. It deserved an IMO. Reading comprehension or not.
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#190305 - 07/28/10 01:49 PM
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ævory
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Chief Captain does not make a king. (flicka's post)
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#190323 - 07/28/10 07:41 PM
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Lola
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Wicca is just a bunch of garbage concocted by satan. Wiccans have no idea what they worship. 
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#190325 - 07/28/10 08:43 PM
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lol...relax Lola. Ronnie has not a single clue on any subject. Doubt he even knows his own address.
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#190329 - 07/28/10 09:24 PM
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Lola
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lol, true, shakey! 
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#190330 - 07/29/10 01:36 AM
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ghoti
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Ronda, my daughter and a large group of her friends are Wiccan plus I have a friend who is an ordained Wiccan priest and regularly performs weddings in this area. It's just possible that I know more about the subject than you think.
Edited by ghoti (07/29/10 01:37 AM)
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#190337 - 07/29/10 04:28 AM
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ævory
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Of course, Ghoti. That always goes without saying and I do stop myself at various times to think :they may know more than ...
just as ronnie deserves the respect of others.
this respect shit you all think is working, only works within yourselves and I'm glad it does. But it's like religion...as far as This bunch here on NM...this particular brand of respect here....it ain't for me. That having been said, I'm well aware that you may or may not know as much as I can gleem off a post on a messageboard. All I said was, according to the very rules you set yourself for others, your statements, often, deserve an IMO before or after them. Me, You aren't going to find an IMO often...it's redundant -- and a given.
Maybe I don't need the IMO because I don't immediately jump in sensitivity over what another says...their beliefs. Their bullshit namecalling is up for Any calling...that's another story.
My neighbor, he's said three times now to my face that he would not care if pres. obama got ....
and I winced, and said -- well, I don't want to see that happen to anyone but I don't want him in office a second-time around. And he said, I DO ! I WOULDN"T CARE if he was ...and he went on to say: What did Obama care of this country when he ruins it ...yada yada...when my own uncle fought in 5 different brigades across Europe (I think he used the term brigades) was Obama caring?
and on and on he went....NOW, I like the man, in fact, he's one of my favorites where I live and it's because of simply 'who he is'...he says it like it is, he's got a marshmallow heart, ---I won't describe incidents to prove it.....I RESPECT the man. I don't call him a hater. I don't point my stupid little finger at him like ya'll do here on NM and PQ because I don't make that call. I haven't got those eyes. As far as I'm concerned, God is the only one who has those eyes to make that call. You and I, we are nothing but equal. Sherry38 was the very first one to start that shit with the finger pointing 'hater' label. And what it does is wear a person down and you who do it, count on that. You hope that the experience another has here, by being called a hater, will rub off on them. You hope that they will learn, thru reinforcement of the hater label, to hate coming here.....because, unless they change for youse, they will be labeled as such. Plenty of folk have left here...worn down. Screw the respect here, screw the I know what I know...cus, I don't. I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt, on my own.
I understand that Wiccans are about the here and now and do not have a cultural beginning. and not to disrespect you (respect didn't enter my mind when I wrote it) but I siad that if one were on this board, they wouldn't argue or debate you on it cus they are not 'about that'. they don't care...
Have a great day.
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#190345 - 07/29/10 08:49 AM
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ghoti
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I respect Ronnie's right to believe as he chooses. I see him showing a lot of disrespect in return, and he deserves to get called on that. He also gets called when he makes statements like "dinosaurs were on the ark" since it would have been physically impossible IMO.
It isn't because someone is a fundie that they get challenged on this board. Anyone who shows disrespect for the beliefs of others and makes strong statements that are unsupported would and should get the same, regardless of beliefs.
Fundamentalists just seem to be frequent offenders in those areas.
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