#189354 - 07/16/10 12:57 PM
Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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ghoti
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Wicca is an ancient religion that worships a female Goddess. The Bible tells us to put witches to death, and that was done very vigorously back in the middle ages. Since women have always practiced the Wiccan faith far more than men, could it's suppression have been due to sexism?
Wicca is making quite a comeback these days, especially among younger women.
A second important statistic is the rate of growth of the Wiccan community. "In May, 1998, the Chicago Tribune reported that, though difficult to quantify due to lack of formal organization, neo-paganism is the fastest-growing religion in North America with the Internet being the prime means of proselytizing." 1 Ms. Curott estimates a doubling in size every 18 months. This growth rate seems quite high, but appears to have some credibility in the Wiccan community. The ARIS survey of the American adult population indicates a growth in the Wiccan community of 17 fold between 1990 and 2001 - the highest of any faith group monitored. This would indicate a doubling in numbers of adherents about ever 30 months.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm
Edited by ghoti (07/16/10 12:57 PM)
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#189359 - 07/16/10 01:26 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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Since women have always practiced the Wiccan faith far more than men, could it's suppression have been due to sexism?
I honestly think paganism was the main focus; but I'm sure it was no surprise that the filthy women were pawns of Satan, moreso than men.
My own father believed that the (Lutheran) church went to hell when we let women sit on the same side of the church as men. IF one is going to literally accept the Bible as the word of God, what else can a man believe?
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#189364 - 07/16/10 01:38 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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The books of the Bible written by Paul of Tarsus and some of those in the Old Testament are very sexist. That gives the Bible a very male-oriented bias.
I imagine many women may have secretly turned to Wicca or other Pagan faiths as a rebellion against it. Just speculation on my part.
If it wasn't sexism, then why does the Bible see Wicca as such a threat? I don't recall membership in any other religion being given the death sentence. What was the huge danger from Wicca that caused it to be singled out?
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#189365 - 07/16/10 01:52 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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I don't think Paul thought Wicca worse than other Pagan religions.
"12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (letter to the Ephesians chapter 6)
However, I think that men of the day saw women as more susceptible to evil because, as Aquinas noted: "in men the discretion of reason predominates."
Hell, we know what Eve did...
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#189366 - 07/16/10 01:57 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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ghoti
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Why the death penalty for Wicca, then, but no specific mention of other religions?
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#189370 - 07/16/10 02:19 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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There are:
Exodus 22:
20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
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#189374 - 07/16/10 02:43 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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Wicca is an ancient religion that worships a female Goddess. The Bible tells us to put witches to death, and that was done very vigorously back in the middle ages. Since women have always practiced the Wiccan faith far more than men, could it's suppression have been due to sexism?
that, and competition for market share.
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#189389 - 07/16/10 03:29 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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There are: Exodus 22:
20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Yeah, but isn't God saying there that HE is going to destroy them? The "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" thing (Exodus 22:18) is telling folks to do the killing themselves.
I still see that Wicca is getting special treatment.
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#189405 - 07/16/10 06:33 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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The entire chapter 22 is pretty demanding. I'm almost amazed at how these laws have been brought down through history. Here's how I think the "witch" killing thing actually came about...(  )
16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
This is basically what is happening to Mel Gibson right now.
18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
This is basically what Gibson has been saying on the taped phone calls.
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#189407 - 07/16/10 06:38 PM
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The issue of immigration was even mentioned in Exodus 22.
21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
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#189408 - 07/16/10 06:44 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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Oh oh.
22Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
23If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
24And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
The republicans are in pretty deep!
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#189410 - 07/16/10 06:50 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.
Anyone in the lending practice is going to hell. First, however, in this day & age, some should be going to jail first. Luckily, Bernie Madoff isn't headed for hell as he seemed to only court rich investors...
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#189413 - 07/16/10 06:56 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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And finally, one that justifies my father's habit of taking home any deer he hit with a vehicle...
31And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.
No mention of roadkill being off limits whatsoever.
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#189416 - 07/16/10 07:06 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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LOL - You are on a roll!
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#189417 - 07/16/10 07:07 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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I wish Davyd would forgive us and come back to the fold. He would probably have some interesting thoughts (beyond the obvious new testament covenant).
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#189418 - 07/16/10 07:09 PM
Re: Is the suppression of Wicca based on sexism?
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lol! maybe the whole damn book is prophecy?
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