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#189301 - 07/15/10 06:02 PM And That's a Fact
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The American people know the President’s stimulus has failed. A new CBS poll out today shows that 74 percent of Americans believe the Obama stimulus either damaged the economy or had no effect. And a Washington Post poll released Tuesday again showed that a majority of Americans disapprove of President Obama’s handling of the economy. So how on earth can the White House claim they “saved or created” 3 million jobs? By rerunning the same economic models that predicted the stimulus would prevent unemployment from ever rising above 8%. That’s right. The White House’s 3 million jobs number is not based on any real world data.
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#189317 - 07/15/10 08:02 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: ævory]
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But as employment fell at the end of 2008, President-elect Obama increased his employment promise by one million to 3.5 millions jobs created. At the time, employment stood at about 135.1 million. Using these two data points, one can objectively establish the Obama jobs target for December 2010 at 138.6 million. Fast forward to July 2010 and the latest jobs report shows total U.S. employment at almost 130.5 million. This means President Obama’s stimulus has failed to meet its own standard for success by 7.4 million jobs.

Less than $400 billion(slightly over 50%) of the $787 billion stimulus bill has been spent, with another 20% to be paid out by September 2010. The remaining amount has not been designated toward any particular industry.
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#189320 - 07/15/10 11:41 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: flicka]
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are they counting all the umemployed or just the ones collcting unemployment checks/
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#189328 - 07/16/10 09:14 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: Johnboy 64]
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youre right, he shouldnt of gave 1 penny in stimulus to you or any citizen, only states
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#189330 - 07/16/10 09:30 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: lazer]
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But seriously, what can any president do to improve the job outlook?

Would this situation have been substantially different had McCain won the election?

I say No.

Not even "tax cuts" could have created more jobs by now.

It is what it is: a cycle.

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#189332 - 07/16/10 09:59 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
are they counting all the umemployed or just the ones collcting unemployment checks/

What? Missing the mark by 7.4 million jobs isn't good enough for you?

Here is a good run-down of how government measures employment/unemployment.
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#189333 - 07/16/10 10:02 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: Skylark]
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How quickly people forget. The economy and the stock market were both in total free fall from October of 2007 right up to Obama's inauguration. The stock market has come up from around 7000 when he took office to over 10,000 right now.

That means that businesses are making profits but they are being very cautious about hiring new employees. That usually follows about a year after the stock market rebounds from a recession but is unusually slow this time.

A vote for republicans this fall is a vote to return to the policies that created this mess in the first place, since they have come up with no new ideas of their own. Just being against everything is a pretty flimsy political platform IMO.
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#189336 - 07/16/10 10:20 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: ghoti]
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obama could give us all a million dollars and aevory would still hate him........ cuz hes black and muslim or whatever
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#189339 - 07/16/10 11:06 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: lazer]
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I he took over a shit basket and he knew what he ws taking on he made promises he couldnt keep.... are things getting better where you libe? they sure arent here.
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#189341 - 07/16/10 11:55 AM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: Johnboy 64]
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My meager stock market portfolio sure got bigger. Do you think republicans have any better ideas on how to fix things?

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#189345 - 07/16/10 12:09 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: ghoti]
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not real sure about what repubs might have done or not done, i'm not psychic. my friends with substantial portfolios(including some of the 'skanks' lol) are not happy with either parties peformance.
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#189346 - 07/16/10 12:15 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
not real sure about what repubs might have done or not done

I think we saw what Republicans would do if they were in office.
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As 2008 began, economic indicators suggested an increased risk of recession. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke testified before Congress that quick action was needed to stimulate the economy through targeted government spending and tax incentives.[10] Congress moved rapidly to pass such legislation. In passing the legislation, lawmakers aimed to stimulate spending by businesses and consumers during 2008. They hoped that the targeted individual tax rebates would boost consumer spending and that targeted tax incentives would boost business spending.

Lawmakers raised the limits on conforming mortgages eligible for government insurance and GSE purchase in response to the subprime mortgage crisis. This crisis had resulted in a widespread credit crunch by late 2007. The credit crunch led to a reluctance by lenders to issue so-called jumbo mortgages for the purchase of houses that exceeded the FHA and GSE limits. The United States housing bubble had pushed house prices above those limits in many areas of the country. As interest rates rose for jumbo mortgages, fewer buyers could afford them, and house prices were being forced down toward the limits for conforming mortgages. By raising those limits, lawmakers hoped to slow or halt the decline in house prices, which threatened the financial well-being of homeowners, banks and other financial entities holding jumbo mortgages.

The FHA loan limits also went up with the stimulus package on March 6. The loan limit package is called "FHA Forward."[11]source



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#189348 - 07/16/10 12:40 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: flicka]
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Republicans seem to think that cutting income taxes is the solution to everything. Trouble is that only helps people who pay lots of taxes, and that's most wealthier folks who are generally doing fine already.

Lower income folks pay little or nothing in income taxes so tax cuts do nothing to help them at all. Cutting taxes is a totally regressive thing, meaning the richer you are the more it helps you. That's why we need the opposite - progressive solutions.

IMO part of the solution is to increase taxes on the wealthy and use the money to improve our infrastructure (roads, bridges, schools, fire and police protection, etc.). A second thing that would raise many, many billions would be to legalize marijuana and tax its sale and use.
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#189375 - 07/16/10 02:45 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: ghoti]
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like i've said before i like either chooses in the last two pres. elections... wish it had been clinton
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#189394 - 07/16/10 03:39 PM Re: And That's a Fact [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I wanted Hillary, too. She had experience and toughness that Obama lacked and I was afraid that was going to make him unable to get things done.

In retrospect, I think she would be doing a better job right now than he is.
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