#189151 - 07/14/10 04:06 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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inkblister
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Wonder why Moses and the ten commandments are sculpted so prominently in many of our capital buildings if they did not reverence the bible and hold it so high in their writings?
Which capital buildings would those be?... There are several 10 commandment monuments on the grounds of some state capitals, which were donated by private funds, but none in or on the buildings themselves (as far as I have found) as it would violate the separation of church and state...
As far as the depiction of Moses, he is portraied(sp?) alongside Confucius, and Solon, and only appears on the Supreme Court building not the Capitol... These three were chosen as their roles as lawgivers, not religious ones... in addition, the tablets Moses holds in the sculpture are blank, intentionally...
Besides, aren't the 10 Commandments in the Old Testament?... I have always been taught that the OT only applied to the Jews and is not considered a part of christian doctrine or teachings...
Religious Symbols in the U.S. National Capitol
I think you don't want the bible to be a true book and thus all your negativity towards the Lord Jesus and the bible.
I happen to have a very high respect for the bible and it's teachings (although I do disagree with many parts of it, I do recognize and revere it as a sacred and holy text for much of the world)... As I have stated before, my issues are not with christianity or the bible itself, but with those christians (extremeists and fundametalists) who consistantly twist, pervert, and then wield it's passages in abusive and judgemetal practices to justify their own selfish means and ends, and myopic shortcomings...
Edited by inkblister (07/14/10 04:09 PM)
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#189154 - 07/14/10 04:22 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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ghoti
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The claim that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments keeps being repeated by fundies, so here's a response that I posted a few years back:
What if we actually wrote all 10 of the commandments into our laws?
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
We'd have to throw out the First Amendment and the whole concept of freedom of religion.
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a graven image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
Wouldn't this make all art, photography, TV, movies, etc. illegal?
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
The jails would be filled to overflowing if we tried to enforce this one.
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
No more Sunday football games. Would we arrest people who just goofed off all day Sunday instead of keeping the day "holy"?
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
Nice thought, but I know a lot of people who treat their kids like crap. Do they deserve to be honored? What about honoring your children? How do you enforce a law like this?
SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
This one is already pretty much covered, but we make exceptions for things like self-defense, wars, and executions.
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Yikes - if this was written into our laws the prisons would be bulging even more.
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
Already covered quite nicely by the laws of pretty much every nation that has ever existed.
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
Do we start arresting people for bad-mouthing others and gossiping? Doesn't this run the danger of interfering with the concept of freedom of speech?
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
Isn't one of the basic concepts of capitalism that you see the neat stuff others have and want to get some for yourself? Advertising is all about creating demand by making us want to "covet" things. If this were written into law our whole society would have to change.
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#189157 - 07/14/10 04:28 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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Paulwa_dup1
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I have seen scads of sculpture and paintings in the buildings of DC but don't remember where exactly but I think they can be found in the Whitehouse and Congress buildings.
Iam totally tired of all these arguments period. Argue amongst yourselves I'm through.
Paul
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#189178 - 07/14/10 05:16 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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inkblister
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Really!?... I'm shocked... (insert sarcasm here)
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#189191 - 07/14/10 06:01 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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Paulwa_dup1
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I'd rather keep friends or hopes of friends than to argue politics and religions and alienate everyone. Around here there are all kinds of interesting forms of religion and most people here seem to be very liberal politically. What I say seems to inflame too many people. So for the most part I will just talk about other things since most don't agree with my beliefs.
No problem here.
Paul
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#189585 - 07/19/10 06:19 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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Paul I
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If the founding fathers are exemplary do we also consider that the
pre-constitutional meetings they had were accompanied by liberal quantities of intoxicating beverages and one farmer who had 40-50
acres of hemp also also made his contribution to the levity of the
process. There were a lot of pipe smokers were there not?
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#189587 - 07/19/10 06:28 PM
Re: More proof of Founding Fathers Faith
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Paulwa_dup1
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I have no doubts of that Paul. I imagine they werre werll aware of the free intoxicants to be gathered and smoked as needed totally free.
Paul
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