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#188861 - 07/10/10 02:31 PM a philosophical question
starlight.2
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is willful ignorance the same as lying?
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#188863 - 07/10/10 03:06 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: starlight.2]
flicka
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Lying to oneself perhaps.
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#188865 - 07/10/10 04:34 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: flicka]
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What flicka said.
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#188867 - 07/10/10 05:59 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: shakey56]
Peaches
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But if they truly don't know thay are lying to themselves... can
you fault the person for their ignorance?

For example: they live in a tiny, somewhat backwards community and have grown up with a certain belief all their lives. Family holds same belief. Neighbors told same belief. Schools hold same belief etc. etc.
Racism, interbreeding, word usage... whatever.

Yes, this example is somewhat to the extreme...
but you asked and this just came to mind! lol

peace, peaches
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#188868 - 07/10/10 06:19 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: Peaches]
flicka
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The ignorance would not be 'willful' in your scenario, Peaches. Willful ignorance is more like refusing to listen to information that might challenge your beliefs.
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#188872 - 07/10/10 07:07 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: flicka]
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Willful ignorance is a self-contradictory term. One can't be willfully ignorant. If they choose to act as if they don't know something that they do it's not ignorance. If you actually don't know something then not knowing it can't be willful; it actually can't be anything but unknown information.
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#188889 - 07/11/10 12:25 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: Paul I]
flicka
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
If you actually don't know something then not knowing it can't be willful; it actually can't be anything but unknown information.

I disagree. Let's say you are hired to carry packages between two sources and you are paid excellent money. You realize by the amount of pay you receive that this is not a 'normal' transaction. With that in mind, you decide it better not to ask what is in the packages, or open one to see what's inside. Your choice is willful ignorance as to the legality of your job.
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#188891 - 07/11/10 12:29 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: starlight.2]
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yes
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#188892 - 07/11/10 12:54 PM Re: a philosophical question [Re: ronniechoate34]
Paul I
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I need to think some more about this as perhaps, Flicka, you got me.
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