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#188679 - 07/07/10 01:41 PM Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan?
Greg
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I've spent hours trying to get educated about this conflict and I've yet to hear a strategy that could work given the conditions there.

I wish the Neocons could be pacified and somehow a "win" could be attained.

But it ain't going to happen and the sooner people accept this the less people will have to die.

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#188681 - 07/07/10 01:50 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Bring the troops home and let foreign people make their own choices.
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#188686 - 07/07/10 02:17 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Move the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and tell them it's their new homeland if the can control the Taliban.
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#188692 - 07/07/10 02:36 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: YosemiteSam]
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Sounds good to me, Bob! :-)
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#188693 - 07/07/10 02:41 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
Johnboy 64
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I wish the Neocons could be pacified and somehow a "win" could be attained.


lol 'neocons' are not in charge. havent ben for almost 2 yrs
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#188694 - 07/07/10 02:54 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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We will never leave Afghanistan! There was an excellent article in the NY Times several weeks ago on the wealth of natural resources that exist in that country. The country is loaded with minerals and natural resources and makes that country of great interest to many countries. The US has no interest in making the lives of the Afghanese better. War is about money; in this case natural resources.

If that country had industry and people had the opportunity to be employed there would be less interest in religious wars etc. Dignity, employment and self-reliance go a long war in a countries welfare etc. This is a war of claiming a part of the prosperity that might lay ahead for this country. Winterwhite

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#188699 - 07/07/10 04:29 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Winterwhite]
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Do you really think we are there for the minerals? We didn't go there for that I think but we may stay for that.
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#188706 - 07/07/10 05:13 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
Greg
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: Greg
I wish the Neocons could be pacified and somehow a "win" could be attained.


lol 'neocons' are not in charge. havent ben for almost 2 yrs


did you even read what I said?

whoever is in charge is not the issue, the idea of nation building and spreading a US form of democracy is what is currently being attempted in Afghanistan and if you do some reading you'd find that is at the heart of a neocon agenda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Obama's quandry is how to back out of this agenda without a "losing" strategy.

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#188713 - 07/07/10 06:39 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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i read what you wrote. obama is n charge not a neocon... he says what goes like shrub did. or are you calling bo and all the other dems in charge neocons? repubs dont have a chance at getting anything done toght now
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#188720 - 07/07/10 07:50 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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JB, the point is we entered into this conflict for very neocon reasons. Getting out of it will require some serious ass kissin of the neocons no matter who's in charge.

Oh and by the way we all ought to be thankful the repugs can't get anything done considering some of the stupid chit they want to do.
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#188734 - 07/08/10 11:26 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: shakey56]
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i wouldnt call it a loss, im sure we are messing them up alot

we killed quite a few senior members, and broke strongholds

we will never win, but we can screw them enough to make it harder
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#188735 - 07/08/10 11:52 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: lazer]
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who is "them"? Al Quada is out of Afghanistan
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#188736 - 07/08/10 12:11 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Al Quaida is out of any hole in the earth and country that will have them. They are even in America because they know our laws and departments are so red taped, non intercommunicational, logjamed that they can walk unnoticed through us as water through a sieve unfortunately. Their grand mission is to convert the worlds peoples to Islam or slit their throats in the finality.
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#188738 - 07/08/10 12:20 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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so again, why is the US still there?

minerals? just fodder for the media, like diamonds on the moon.

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#188741 - 07/08/10 12:48 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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We are there because of ignorance or greed in high places. We need to pack up and get out of every country on the planet and all come home to become border guards, then begin sifting out foreign low life from America's society leaving only clean upright foreigners to work here and work for their families well being and paying for all their own services consumed. I don't think all foreigners should be working for citizenship of the U.S. either. Many love their own countries and hold allegiance there. There should be room for these people too in America but they must pay their own way.
Paul

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