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#188679 - 07/07/10 01:41 PM Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan?
Greg
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I've spent hours trying to get educated about this conflict and I've yet to hear a strategy that could work given the conditions there.

I wish the Neocons could be pacified and somehow a "win" could be attained.

But it ain't going to happen and the sooner people accept this the less people will have to die.

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#188681 - 07/07/10 01:50 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Bring the troops home and let foreign people make their own choices.
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#188686 - 07/07/10 02:17 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Move the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and tell them it's their new homeland if the can control the Taliban.
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#188692 - 07/07/10 02:36 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: YosemiteSam]
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Sounds good to me, Bob! :-)
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#188693 - 07/07/10 02:41 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
Johnboy 64
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I wish the Neocons could be pacified and somehow a "win" could be attained.


lol 'neocons' are not in charge. havent ben for almost 2 yrs
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#188694 - 07/07/10 02:54 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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We will never leave Afghanistan! There was an excellent article in the NY Times several weeks ago on the wealth of natural resources that exist in that country. The country is loaded with minerals and natural resources and makes that country of great interest to many countries. The US has no interest in making the lives of the Afghanese better. War is about money; in this case natural resources.

If that country had industry and people had the opportunity to be employed there would be less interest in religious wars etc. Dignity, employment and self-reliance go a long war in a countries welfare etc. This is a war of claiming a part of the prosperity that might lay ahead for this country. Winterwhite

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#188699 - 07/07/10 04:29 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Winterwhite]
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Do you really think we are there for the minerals? We didn't go there for that I think but we may stay for that.
Paul

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#188706 - 07/07/10 05:13 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
Greg
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: Greg
I wish the Neocons could be pacified and somehow a "win" could be attained.


lol 'neocons' are not in charge. havent ben for almost 2 yrs


did you even read what I said?

whoever is in charge is not the issue, the idea of nation building and spreading a US form of democracy is what is currently being attempted in Afghanistan and if you do some reading you'd find that is at the heart of a neocon agenda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Obama's quandry is how to back out of this agenda without a "losing" strategy.

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#188713 - 07/07/10 06:39 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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i read what you wrote. obama is n charge not a neocon... he says what goes like shrub did. or are you calling bo and all the other dems in charge neocons? repubs dont have a chance at getting anything done toght now
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#188720 - 07/07/10 07:50 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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JB, the point is we entered into this conflict for very neocon reasons. Getting out of it will require some serious ass kissin of the neocons no matter who's in charge.

Oh and by the way we all ought to be thankful the repugs can't get anything done considering some of the stupid chit they want to do.
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#188734 - 07/08/10 11:26 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: shakey56]
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i wouldnt call it a loss, im sure we are messing them up alot

we killed quite a few senior members, and broke strongholds

we will never win, but we can screw them enough to make it harder
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#188735 - 07/08/10 11:52 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: lazer]
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who is "them"? Al Quada is out of Afghanistan
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#188736 - 07/08/10 12:11 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Al Quaida is out of any hole in the earth and country that will have them. They are even in America because they know our laws and departments are so red taped, non intercommunicational, logjamed that they can walk unnoticed through us as water through a sieve unfortunately. Their grand mission is to convert the worlds peoples to Islam or slit their throats in the finality.
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#188738 - 07/08/10 12:20 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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so again, why is the US still there?

minerals? just fodder for the media, like diamonds on the moon.

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#188741 - 07/08/10 12:48 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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We are there because of ignorance or greed in high places. We need to pack up and get out of every country on the planet and all come home to become border guards, then begin sifting out foreign low life from America's society leaving only clean upright foreigners to work here and work for their families well being and paying for all their own services consumed. I don't think all foreigners should be working for citizenship of the U.S. either. Many love their own countries and hold allegiance there. There should be room for these people too in America but they must pay their own way.
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#188745 - 07/08/10 01:18 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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POST DELETE post delete post delete

blah blah blah just a jackin your jaw gonna let it roll off of my back...
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#188747 - 07/08/10 01:36 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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so you read my post but refused to answer JB? just as I suspected

let me repeat my question:
If repubs win in 2012, since they ALL disagree with Health Care Reform would they repeal it?

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#188748 - 07/08/10 01:57 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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surprise, surprise, no response
LMAO

closing bell, quittin time

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#188751 - 07/08/10 02:24 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Bush went into Afghanistan because it was the only dramatic thing he could do after 9/11. He reached part of his goal- getting the Taliban out of Afghanistan but failed with bin Laden and then
landed us in Iraq. If we abandon the Afghan people they will be heading down the same path they were before we came as the Taliban were taking over. I find their Shia law as they see it to be the most inhuman, brutal, power crazy and psychologically twisted and
pathetic as any human behavior could be. Remember when they executed a young lady in the soccer stadium for some minor offense? Sick, sick, sick. Can we abandon they to that?
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#188775 - 07/09/10 07:55 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paul I]
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
If we abandon the Afghan people they will be heading down the same path they were before we came as the Taliban were taking over. I find their Shia law as they see it to be the most inhuman, brutal, power crazy and psychologically twisted and
pathetic as any human behavior could be. Remember when they executed a young lady in the soccer stadium for some minor offense? Sick, sick, sick. Can we abandon they to that?


Very noble but it is their country, THEIR COUNTRY, their destiny. What right does the US have to interfere? Because you can?

What did Bush say, oh yea, the US will end tyranny and spread democracy around the world, neocon exspansionist policy through pre-emptive militarist conquest and occupation.

The US is building schools in Afghanistan while back at home their own educational infrastructure is crumbling.

I'm glad Canada is getting out of Afghanistan in February 2011, enough of our best being killed supporting a mission that should end.

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#188784 - 07/09/10 10:30 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
Johnboy 64
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Originally Posted By: Greg
so you read my post but refused to answer JB? just as I suspected

let me repeat my question:
If repubs win in 2012, since they ALL disagree with Health Care Reform would they repeal it?

1. This is not what you deleted. 2. i am not here to entertain you. i'll answer at my leisure and only if i choose to answer... i was waiting to see if you'd delete and you did
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#188785 - 07/09/10 10:32 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
surprise, surprise, no response
LMAO

closing bell, quittin time


you think i'm goin to jump when you say NOT
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#188786 - 07/09/10 11:39 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
i am not here to entertain you.


Oh, but you do

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#188787 - 07/09/10 12:01 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: Greg
surprise, surprise, no response
LMAO

closing bell, quittin time


you think i'm goin to jump when you say NOT


LMAO

btw, here's a tip, stock symbol NOT is a great Canadian buy that should be a 3X or 4X bagger

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#188789 - 07/09/10 01:16 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
Johnboy 64
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
i am not here to entertain you.


Oh, but you do


at least i have some value to you wish i could say the same to you
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#188794 - 07/09/10 02:45 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
<snip>

btw, here's a tip, stock symbol NOT is a great Canadian buy that should be a 3X or 4X bagger


Noront Resources Ltd closed @ $1.17 today, 52 week range .59-3.01

Maybe I'll test Greg's stock picking, I'll put a buy order in at $1.10 and a sell at $3.30 - The only problem is the commission, I'll have to go for at least 1,000 shares

Last time it hit $3.30 looks like about 8/08 so it might be loooong experiment, but $1,100 isn't more than I'd risk at a craps table, SO unless Greg has a better stock to take a flier on I'll put the order in Monday.
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#188795 - 07/09/10 02:49 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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My post was not nobility. It's my opinion of what's fair. The Soviets tried to take the place and when we supplied Stingers to the Afghans the tide changed. Our history of sticking our nose into their business is not new. The Taliban would like nothing better than to gain a serious foothold in the economic and governmental centers of Pakistan. Then they become a major regional threat.

So far as I know the Afghans have never attacked another country. They are quite busy defending their country. Iraq, in my estimation should be abandoned. We have done every possible thing we could for them but they want to self-destruct. Afghanistan is not comparable to Iraq. It is totally lopsided
when confronting opposition as they have little defense and no coherent country to respond as a unit.And we need to get Karzi out of there.
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#188796 - 07/09/10 02:56 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Our biggest problem with both Iraq and Afghanistan is that we have no clearly-defined exit strategy. Both of these wars were started with the grandiose and totally naive idea from the neocons that we were going to convert the entire middle-east to democracy and change them from enemies to allies.

Bush and company either never studied the history of the middle-east or totally disregarded it. The people of that region have been living under monarchies and dictatorships for over 5000 years and have no concept of democratic government. They've also been killing each other for at least that long and have grievances and feuds against each other so long-standing that it boggles the mind.

IMO we should NEVER have gotten involved there and should now get out ASAP. The best thing we could possibly do is to vigorously pursue alternative energy sources so we don't need their damned oil any more. Then they can go back to herding goats and camels and killing each other like they were doing before their oil made us give a damn about them and gave them wealth and importance.
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#188799 - 07/09/10 03:07 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: YosemiteSam]
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Originally Posted By: YosemiteSam
Originally Posted By: Greg
<snip>

btw, here's a tip, stock symbol NOT is a great Canadian buy that should be a 3X or 4X bagger


Noront Resources Ltd closed @ $1.17 today, 52 week range .59-3.01

Maybe I'll test Greg's stock picking, I'll put a buy order in at $1.10 and a sell at $3.30 - The only problem is the commission, I'll have to go for at least 1,000 shares

Last time it hit $3.30 looks like about 8/08 so it might be loooong experiment, but $1,100 isn't more than I'd risk at a craps table, SO unless Greg has a better stock to take a flier on I'll put the order in Monday.


I'm flattered that you'd consider my rec. How do you know I'm not just a pump and dumper?

Bob, in case you're serious and for your own DD you might want to check out either:
http://www.norontresources.com/
http://agoracom.com/ir/Noront

By the way did you sell your GS and take the loss or are you in for the long haul?
I'm thinking of getting in around $135 now that the finacial reg storm is over and IPOs have started moving again.


Edited by Greg (07/09/10 03:14 PM)

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#188800 - 07/09/10 03:13 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
IMO we should NEVER have gotten involved there and should now get out ASAP.


I agree, the biggest stumbling block I see is the whole concept of acheiving a "win" that McCain/Lieberman/Graham amd their ilk will exploit for the neocon agenda and just plain political purposes.

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#188804 - 07/09/10 03:45 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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I am willing to give Obama time to attempt to accomplish the plan he rolled out in March.
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#188843 - 07/10/10 06:45 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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I am willing to give Obama time to attempt to accomplish the plan he rolled out in March.


Me too, until next election.

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#188847 - 07/10/10 09:20 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
i read what you wrote. obama is n charge not a neocon... he says what goes like shrub did. or are you calling bo and all the other dems in charge neocons? repubs dont have a chance at getting anything done toght now



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#188855 - 07/10/10 01:51 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Originally Posted By: flicka
I am willing to give Obama time to attempt to accomplish the plan he rolled out in March.


Me too, until next election.


Yea sure, why not, what's the big hurry? After all, my husband or wife, my kids aren't laying their life on the line. It sounds like a good idea to be at war in an attempt to modify an eons old culture.

Bring back the draft and lets see how the war is tolerated then.

Jul 10, 9:48 AM (ET)

By RAHIM FAIEZ
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Six American service members and at least a dozen civilians died in attacks Saturday in Afghanistan's volatile east and south, adding to a summer of escalating violence as Taliban militants push back against stepped-up operations by international and Afghan forces.

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#188856 - 07/10/10 01:54 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Bring back the draft and lets see how the war is tolerated then.

That's the damned truth! Should have happened in 2002.
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#188874 - 07/10/10 07:12 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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The neocons actually said that if the culture of a country we have to work with doesn't work for us we'll just change it.
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#188878 - 07/10/10 07:40 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paul I]
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Yeh, Obama said we live in the greatest country in the world and asked us if we would help him change it! Wasn't that what he said..I think so.
Paul

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#188882 - 07/10/10 08:18 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paul I]
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Kind of like going into marriage with the idea you can change your spouse...nuts. Especially nuts when dealing with a country representing differing beliefs/cultures within the Muslim faith.

I admit I have a problem accepting our 'support' of people who believe it is their duty to stone women & such, but I see no other choice at this point.
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#188883 - 07/10/10 08:22 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Yeh, Obama said we live in the greatest country in the world and asked us if we would help him change it! Wasn't that what he said..I think so.
Paul

You are lying. He didn't say that. Why are you spreading a lie?
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#188888 - 07/11/10 09:01 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Yeh, Obama said we live in the greatest country in the world and asked us if we would help him change it! Wasn't that what he said..I think so.
Paul

You are lying. He didn't say that. Why are you spreading a lie?


Why, are you serious? This guy gets his talking points from Glen Beck.

From the wisdom of Paulwa:

"Just my thinking but I believe he ("Obama") is out to bankrupt the USA and get us into the Global Community where he plans to run for a leader role."

Paulwa never has credible references to support his pearls of wisdom, but he is good for a laugh.

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#188890 - 07/11/10 12:29 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Paul's opinion is one thing, but his remark about what Obama said is not opinion. It's a blatant lie.
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#188893 - 07/11/10 02:42 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Your indignent attitude is admirable but I don't understand your surprise. Force yourself to watch Glen Beck and you will get it. Two Obama beleifs are conflated, one America's greatness and two Obama is all about change, combine them and spoon feed them to the likes of Paul and presto you have your credible statement.

The statement made by Paul is mild by extemist standards. Yesterday on Beck they had a link of Obama's health care reform to following Hitler's purifying of the race by controlling benefits to the disabled and infirm.

But keep up the good fight anyways.

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#188894 - 07/11/10 03:37 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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I'm not indignant, or surprised. I'd say more disgusted than anything. I do not understand why Paul (who is not an ignorant man) is so willing to spread rumors & lies about the President of the United States.

In my opinion, it's one thing to speak with conviction about faith in God and such, because all opinions are as valid as the next in the unprovable realm. But, when you carelessly repeat rumors & lies (that can be proven) you are being willfully ignorant.

As I said, I don't believe Paul is an ignorant man, so I find the behavior disgusting. I don't need to watch Glen Beck to "get" anything.
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#188897 - 07/11/10 04:06 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Flicka I did to best of my recollection see and hear Obama say something like that and I think there is a video sound bite of him saying it. But anyway he is out to fundamentally transform our great nation from what it has always been how can you refute that?
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#188898 - 07/11/10 04:19 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Flicka I did to best of my recollection see and hear Obama say something like that and I think there is a video sound bite of him saying it.

More lies? It's easy to find out if it is true. You are being willfully ignorant if you don't verify it.
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But anyway he is out to fundamentally transform our great nation from what it has always been how can you refute that?

I would be more than pleased if Obama could take the nation we had the day he took office, back to the great nation we had a decade, or so, ago.
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#188900 - 07/11/10 04:50 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
I do not understand why Paul (who is not an ignorant man) is so willing to spread rumors & lies about the President of the United States.


LMAO
you give Paul way too much credit, remember all that anti christ BS from this Obama hater

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#188901 - 07/11/10 05:20 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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It's not like I'm asking Paul to prove that Obama is the antichrist. In fact, he can claim that all he wants as long as he doesn't lie about facts along the way. I don't think that superstitious beliefs are a sign of ignorance.
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#188902 - 07/11/10 05:35 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Yeh, Obama said we live in the greatest country in the world and asked us if we would help him change it! Wasn't that what he said..I think so.
Paul


geesh you're like dog with a bone.
I'm not in the habit of defending Paul but his statement was in keeping with what I think is his core opinion of Obama.
Have you never conflated things you've heard a person say?
Finally, he ended with, "I think so", so he was adding that possability of doubt.
Given it was Paul who said it and this thought is held by many I really don't see it as a BFD.

Paul, you may want to add disclaimers to your remembered quotes next time.
I gotta go, good luck with your prosecutorial case.

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#188903 - 07/11/10 06:00 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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I knew the statement posted was incorrect
how bout this one vant find it n snopes

Barack OBAMA, during his Cairo speech, said:
"I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America 's story."
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#188904 - 07/11/10 06:20 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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It's true, JB. Here it is in context:
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I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims." And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our Universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers – Thomas Jefferson – kept in his personal library.
entire speech


Sounds okay to me.
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#188905 - 07/11/10 06:25 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
his statement was in keeping with what I think is his core opinion of Obama.

Paul was not expressing an opinion. He now is stating that he even saw and heard Obama say it. That is a lie.
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#188906 - 07/11/10 06:43 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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To thye best ofmy recollection I do think I remember him saying that or something similar. Would II swear on a bible to t? No I wouldn't because I can not verify it and my memory is not 100 per cent on this statement. Like Bush..there is something in Obama's political thinking and speaches that just turn me away. I think he is a phoney..but it is only my opinion. I for the life of me cannot see how Obama supporters agree with the people he picks for his cabnets..the way he goes around the end on Congress to place these people without congressional comment..the way he deliberately turns away from the will of the people of this country and throws there feeliings to be trampled in the dust. Worst I think he is letgyting black Americans down considering the good he could do. He was raised with a socialist and some say communist bent througout his life and training and education. He will in a showdown side with the Islamic side and not the christian. The majority of Amercan are christan and this does not bode well with them. Thus the Tea Party movement.
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#188907 - 07/11/10 06:57 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
..the way he goes around the end on Congress to place these people without congressional comment..

He's not the first, but I'll give you this one.
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the way he deliberately turns away from the will of the people of this country and throws there feeliings to be trampled in the dust.

On this one I'd like to see an example of this type of behavior, please.
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#188908 - 07/11/10 06:58 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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It's true, JB. Here it is in context:
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I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims." And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our Universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers – Thomas Jefferson – kept in his personal library.
entire speech


Sounds okay to me.

thanks, yep it's fine now that i see full context. i couldnt find it anyhere, but rightwingnut sites... so i figured either untrue or out of context
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#188909 - 07/11/10 07:44 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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That is one thing I can say about you, JB, despite your disagreement with Obama's policies. I've never seen you claim something as fact without knowing it is truth, or questioning its credibility.
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#188911 - 07/11/10 08:25 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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For the record I never give facts..just the way I have heard or understood things to be. Who can give facts anyway because they may be proven wrong by tomorrow.
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#188913 - 07/11/10 09:03 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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For the record I never give facts..

You'll get no argument from me.
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Who can give facts anyway because they may be proven wrong by tomorrow.

I can. I can tell you for a fact that you did not see a video clip of Obama making that statement. If it were true, the video would be headlines in the Obama hating crowd. If it turns up on the internet tomorrow, it's been edited and is still not the truth.
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#188915 - 07/11/10 09:08 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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I still think I remember him saying that because Beck and Oreilly and others did make a fuss about it at that time. He said it when he was still running for president and saw he would likely win the presidency. I can understand you not wanting to remember it.
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#188916 - 07/11/10 09:20 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
I can understand you not wanting to remember it.

I hadn't heard it until last night. I looked it up and it's not true.
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#188917 - 07/11/10 09:42 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Well I can't argue with you about it.You are probably pretty good at researching things, Maybe some one else made those statements and attributed them to Obama, memory is pretty undependable sometimes. But he does think America s great and then wants to go in and change it all around..what aboutthat? He sure doesn't seem to want to restore it to our Constitutional heritage it seems.
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#188918 - 07/11/10 10:37 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
You are probably pretty good at researching things,

It's nothing special. Just type a few words into Google and glance through the websites. This particular misinformation started in 2008 and has recently experienced a revival.
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#188926 - 07/12/10 10:44 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
That is one thing I can say about you, JB, despite your disagreement with Obama's policies. I've never seen you claim something as fact without knowing it is truth, or questioning its credibility.


THANKS FIX, I GET LOTS OF E-Mails from so i try to beware if it makes hime look too bad or too good i look it up... i just couldnt seem to find anything, but the destorted/out of context version follow by a letter written by a 'true' amiericsn... ugh. both extremes piss me off. i dont hate obama i dont want him to fail... if he fails our country fails. i just disagree with many of his policies. bush i borderlined on hating(i try not to note anyone)
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#188927 - 07/12/10 10:44 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
That is one thing I can say about you, JB, despite your disagreement with Obama's policies. I've never seen you claim something as fact without knowing it is truth, or questioning its credibility.


THANKS FIX, I GET LOTS OF E-Mails from so i try to beware if it makes hime look too bad or too good i look it up... i just couldnt seem to find anything, but the destorted/out of context version follow by a letter written by a 'true' amiericsn... ugh. both extremes piss me off. i dont hate obama i dont want him to fail... if he fails our country fails. i just disagree with many of his policies. bush i borderlined on hating(i try not to note anyone)
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#188936 - 07/12/10 12:12 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Worst I think he is letgyting black Americans down considering the good he could do.


care to what explain "good" he could do for Black Americans?


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#188938 - 07/12/10 12:17 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
He will in a showdown side with the Islamic side and not the christian. The majority of Amercan are christan and this does not bode well with them. Thus the Tea Party movement.
Paul


are you serious, that the Tea Party movement was formed in response to Obama favouring Islam over Christainity?

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#188940 - 07/12/10 12:27 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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No, it is just one more straw that caused the formation of a group of people who don't like the way things are going! Quit nit picking, NIT!
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#188945 - 07/12/10 12:42 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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I can't help it, I find bigots and religous intolerance fascinating.
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#188946 - 07/12/10 12:47 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Worst I think he is letgyting black Americans down considering the good he could do.


care to what explain "good" he could do for Black Americans?


do you have a reply?

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#188957 - 07/12/10 01:55 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
He will in a showdown side with the Islamic side and not the christian.

Superstitious fantasy.
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#188965 - 07/12/10 03:05 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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tell me 3 things obama did thats awful?
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#188981 - 07/12/10 05:42 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: lazer]
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He hires communists for his cabinet..he is destroying the economy..he doesn't take care of crisises we have now such as unemployment..the gulf oil blowout..he delegates all the problems to the experts and they do nothing to solve problems..he hides his past history for the most part (school records etc.) He is a bag of hot wind that doesn't know what to do to lead this country! and he goes around apologising for all America has done in the past. Black Panthers with nightsticks are allowed to alienate voters at election time and his people refuse take them to court or file charges against them..oh but you only wanted three!
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#188985 - 07/12/10 05:55 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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lmfao...i'll let flicka refute those claims. she seems to enjoy it.
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#188994 - 07/12/10 06:33 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: shakey56]
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The heads of BHO's National Debt Commission seem a little pessimistic in the face of upcoming $14 Trillion+ deficit.

Bowles & Simpson speak oiut
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#188997 - 07/12/10 06:57 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
lmfao...i'll let flicka refute those claims. she seems to enjoy it.

I honestly don't think I can. There is no way to change a mind who sees communists at every turn.
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
He hires communists for his cabinet..he is destroying the economy..he doesn't take care of crisises we have now such as unemployment..the gulf oil blowout..he delegates all the problems to the experts and they do nothing to solve problems..

Anyone who believes Obama is the sole cause of our economic crisis doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.

Why Obama hasn't stopped this oil leak is very perplexing (although I do hope the new cap he put on the well today stops the leak).

Why he expects the experts to handle problems is beyond my understanding.


Edited by flicka (07/12/10 07:01 PM)
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#188998 - 07/12/10 07:04 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: YosemiteSam]
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Originally Posted By: YosemiteSam
The heads of BHO's National Debt Commission seem a little pessimistic in the face of upcoming $14 Trillion+ deficit.

Looks like those of us on entitlement programs are screwed.
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Simpson said the entirety of the nation's current discretionary spending is consumed by the Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs.

"The rest of the federal government, including fighting two wars, homeland security, education, art, culture, you name it, veterans, the whole rest of the discretionary budget, is being financed by China and other countries," said Simpson. China alone currently holds $920 billion in U.S. IOUs.

Bowles said if the U.S. makes no changes it will be spending $2 trillion by 2020 just for interest on the national debt.
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#189000 - 07/12/10 07:08 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: YosemiteSam
The heads of BHO's National Debt Commission seem a little pessimistic in the face of upcoming $14 Trillion+ deficit.

Looks like those of us on entitlement programs are screwed.
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Simpson said the entirety of the nation's current discretionary spending is consumed by the Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs.

"The rest of the federal government, including fighting two wars, homeland security, education, art, culture, you name it, veterans, the whole rest of the discretionary budget, is being financed by China and other countries," said Simpson. China alone currently holds $920 billion in U.S. IOUs.

Bowles said if the U.S. makes no changes it will be spending $2 trillion by 2020 just for interest on the national debt.


yep, and B.O. isnt making it any better, if he is please show me where.
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#189002 - 07/12/10 07:20 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64

yep, and B.O. isnt making it any better, if he is please show me where.

He hasn't cut entitlement spending yet, but I really don't see too much choice down the road. He can cut spending all he wants, but that won't change the fact that entitlement programs are taking all our money.
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#189003 - 07/12/10 07:23 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64

yep, and B.O. isnt making it any better, if he is please show me where.

He hasn't cut entitlement spending yet, but I really don't see too much choice down the road. He can cut spending all he wants, but that won't change the fact that entitlement programs are taking all our money.

new medicare cuts all the tiime.... shrub or b.o. or both
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#189004 - 07/12/10 07:26 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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The startling fact that these programs consume all discretionary spending leaves no choice but to make cuts somewhere.

Edited by flicka (07/12/10 07:27 PM)
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#189005 - 07/12/10 07:35 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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but b.o. EXPANDED medicaid
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#189006 - 07/12/10 07:44 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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That burden is more on state budgets. Obama actually made cuts in federal medicaid funding (as did Bush).
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#189007 - 07/12/10 07:46 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Flicka said,"Looks like those of us on entitlement programs are screwed."
Not yet, but it looks like it won't be long. His use of the Recess Appointment for Donald Berwick and his views on rationing and redistribution of wealth using health care and his joining with Dr. Ezeliel Emanoal an advocate of rationing.

I'd say the disabled are double-screwed.


Edited by YosemiteSam (07/12/10 07:52 PM)
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#189009 - 07/12/10 07:55 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: YosemiteSam]
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Yes, Berwick is the grim reaper. Unfortunately, he speaks the truth on creating an efficient national health care plan. I don't have a problem with those with wealth more paying more toward health care for the old, disabled, poor & homeless. All strong organizations/societies take care of their own.
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#189011 - 07/12/10 08:14 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: YosemiteSam]
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Originally Posted By: YosemiteSam
and redistribution of wealth using health care

You know, I've never understood what those people who claim health care is a personal right mean, until just now. To see it condensed to "redistribution of wealth" makes a major impact. I have always contended that rather than run wild & cast those of inferior health outside the walls of the city, we need to tell the medical monopolies to [censored] off & bus in guest workers to handle our needs.

Happily, I am seeing some major changes in our choices for health care. Those programs, like Lifeline Screening, who come around and offer diagnostic testing for a fraction of the cost, are pretty encouraging. My dad went to one shortly before his bone cancer diagnosis. It was pretty eye opening. Had he not gone from the cancer, he had severe PAD. Up to that point, his doctor had only noticed his carotid arteries were fuucked.

Anyway...
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#189012 - 07/12/10 08:26 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Up to that point, his doctor had only noticed his carotid arteries were fuucked.

This isn't quite true. My dad's first signal that his health was gone was having trouble breathing. My dad was positive something was wrong with his heart, or a valve, or something. He'd insisted on seeing a heart specialist who goes to our church. He finally got a medicare referral appointment for a week before he died. That doctor told dad an artery going to his heart was almost completely blocked.
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#189017 - 07/12/10 09:36 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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You just can't explain Obies motives except in the negative..no matter what he says he does the other thing instead to America's amazement..We goin down boy!!(Howlin Mad Murdock of ATeam fame)

Except for christians which say..We be goin up people!(Jesus of New Testament fame!)
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#189018 - 07/12/10 09:38 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Johnboy 64]
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You just can't explain Obies motives except in the negative..no matter what he says he does the other thing instead to America's amazement..We goin down boy!!(Howlin Mad Murdock of ATeam fame)

Except for christians ..We be goin up people!(Jesus of New Testament fame!)
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#189019 - 07/12/10 09:53 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1

Except for christians ..We be goin up people!(Jesus of New Testament fame!)

I think that was Bush's plan for getting out of the mess.
Didn't work for him in a timely manner, either...
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#189026 - 07/13/10 07:37 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Black Panthers with nightsticks are allowed to alienate voters at election time and his people refuse take them to court or file charges against them..


See this is what I was talking about yesterday, if you chose to just get your "facts" from Fox News and the right wing bloggers you have just confirmed again you are uninformed, just a shill for the right wing hype.

The case to which you refer was dropped by the Bush adminstration before Obama was in office. This information is all over other news reporting. I wonder if your hero Hannity will correct the record?

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#189040 - 07/13/10 11:14 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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I wonder if your hero Hannity will correct the record?

Hannity is a blathering fool. He's so bad tht even my conservative county tossed him off the air.
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#189054 - 07/13/10 01:26 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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Greg what are you tallking about it is Obies legal eagles who refuse to file charges against those uniformed blacks with night sticks intimidating voters. A black panther member talks about killing crackers and even worse cracker babies and Obie just lets it slide without comment that I know of. I don't fault the blacs for their anger towards the whites, Lord knows they have plenty of reason but whites also have reason to be angry right back at them when they talk publicly like this!
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#189063 - 07/13/10 02:32 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Greg what are you tallking about it is Obies legal eagles who refuse to file charges against those uniformed blacks with night sticks intimidating voters. A black panther member talks about killing crackers and even worse cracker babies and Obie just lets it slide without comment that I know of. I don't fault the blacs for their anger towards the whites, Lord knows they have plenty of reason but whites also have reason to be angry right back at them when they talk publicly like this!
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God, you swallow this stuff up. First of all the "group" was The New Black Panther, no connection whatsoever to the original Black Panthers. There were two guys yelling racist remarks (yes with night sticks). The Bush lawyers decided to NOT charge them criminally but to persue them civaly. No one, no one, filed a complaint. And finally:

"The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008"

btw the Minuteman pulled the same type of crap against Hispanic voters in AZ back in 2006 and no charges filed there either

It took me 5 minutes to find this stuff out and verify it across several sources.

You really do make yourself out for a foolish puppet when you don't find out the whole story and just parrot Limbaugh and Beck

eta just wanted to clarify what I meant by no one filed a complaint. That is no voter came foward to claim they were intimidated from voting (after all this did happen in Philly )


Edited by Greg (07/13/10 03:07 PM)

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#189070 - 07/13/10 04:12 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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Rght they were thge new black panthers and I have heard people compplain that they were intmiidated by these thugs. You are a stupid nerd ntwiic Greg.
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#189071 - 07/13/10 04:22 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
He hires communists for his cabinet..he is destroying the economy..he doesn't take care of crisises we have now such as unemployment..the gulf oil blowout..he delegates all the problems to the experts and they do nothing to solve problems..he hides his past history for the most part (school records etc.) He is a bag of hot wind that doesn't know what to do to lead this country! and he goes around apologising for all America has done in the past. Black Panthers with nightsticks are allowed to alienate voters at election time and his people refuse take them to court or file charges against them..oh but you only wanted three!


gosh, what is your logic to any of that?
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#189072 - 07/13/10 04:22 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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lmfao...now don't whine like a baby when insults come back at ya Paul.
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#189073 - 07/13/10 04:27 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Rght they were thge new black panthers and I have heard people compplain that they were intmiidated by these thugs. You are a stupid nerd ntwiic Greg.


oh boo hoo..... a few honkies were intimidated by blacks, lol......

u think the prez should get into that? let states and police handle it

paul rants like a unibomber who lost it...... hehe
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#189075 - 07/13/10 05:04 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Rght they were thge new black panthers and I have heard people compplain that they were intmiidated by these thugs. You are a stupid nerd ntwiic Greg.


They do not seem like nice people and I might be intimidated if they were screaming up in my face (I watched some youtube of this group). BUT what you claim is just plain wrong and nothing more than reactionary BS. Once again you have proven truth is not of importance to you.

btw I get paid good money to be a stupid nerd.
what is a ntwiic?

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#189076 - 07/13/10 05:14 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Rght they were thge new black panthers and I have heard people compplain that they were intmiidated by these thugs.


This is too easy. I did some checking and those intimidated were NOT actual voters but were the Republican poll watchers. LMAO

I'm sure they had a direct line to Fox News.

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#189078 - 07/13/10 07:07 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Greg]
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I think the two should have at least been fined $1000.
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#189081 - 07/13/10 10:38 PM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: flicka]
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and billy clubs confiscated and notnalolowed outside without their mothers.
ntwiic is whatever you make of it. My typing fingerds brains got gsarbled iiin translation.

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#189095 - 07/14/10 09:07 AM Re: Will the US accept a "Loss" in Afghanistan? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
and billy clubs confiscated and notnalolowed outside without their mothers.
ntwiic is whatever you make of it. My typing fingerds brains got gsarbled iiin translation.


I realize now I am wasting my time engaging you. You have no interest in having a discussion based on verifiable facts. The "truth" is based on your opinion and the opinions of those you chose to parrot.


Edited by Greg (07/14/10 09:33 AM)

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