#188479 - 07/01/10 05:35 AM
Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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ævory
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http://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/atheism
It's like herding cats.
It is difficult to understand why anyone would find the need to express themselves first and foremost as having intelligence squared...and I search for credible websites of atheistic manner and come up short. If anyone has a site they frequent then I'd love to see it.
Anyway, it's always brought to the attention of folk that they are scientists, and mathematicians, lawyers, anthopologists, etc and etc...as if to describe the highly sophisticated and IQ-worthy of the included conversation/debate. Why?
It's obvious why. Because they feel the need to herd themselves together..somehow, to find that fundamental 'thing' that Can describe them and they're so sick and tired of hearing about religion and Their congregation of folk (when, basically..the atheist doesn't have that; indeed, there are those trying to form a church and as many who poo-poo the idea on the grounds of: we are individuals not designed as such to call ourselves together. ) hmmm, yet they do...they try so desperately, like herding cats: they flounder to find that which describes themselves (all together).
It's enough to scratch your head over but not really worth a lot of time doing so because it is their problem. Not anyone elses.
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#188481 - 07/01/10 06:19 AM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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MerryA
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It is difficult to understand why anyone would find the need to express themselves first and foremost as having intelligence squared
The same reason Baptists find the need to express themselves first and foremost as having religion. The same reason the GOPers find the need to express themselves first and foremost as having family values. The same reason any group finds the need to express themselves first and foremost as anything - we are social animals who group with like-minded folks. Not a big mystery. 
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#188483 - 07/01/10 06:52 AM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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ævory
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No, seriously, what is it that they want..what are they after? Because at one point they express how individual they are and that is indeed the reason why some object to the idea of a congregation for THEMSELVES, yet they have this need to express that they are intellectuals of blah blah blah. Well...??? And congregating together no more expresses their morals (individually or united) than the man in the moon---or, you may argue, than the religious folk. So, I don't understand what they are after except to express how badly they feel about others need to BE a part of something. I don't understand it. And, keep in mind that I am centered at the moment on what is expressed on the internet. I've personal experience talking to atheists and those of some other THAN God centered and I think them intelligent. They don't express that to me with their preface: I'm highly intelligent. lol So, Merry, you are missing what is There (posted).
I wouldn't probably even be interested in their 'social' animal instincts, Merry, except that they seem to be the same, concerning christians and such. So it becomes a curious thing to watch/see.
Edited by ævory (07/01/10 06:53 AM)
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#188489 - 07/01/10 10:12 AM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
[Re: ævory]
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starlight.2
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http://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/atheismIt's like herding cats. It is difficult to understand why anyone would find the need to express themselves first and foremost as having intelligence squared...and I search for credible websites of atheistic manner and come up short. If anyone has a site they frequent then I'd love to see it. Anyway, it's always brought to the attention of folk that they are scientists, and mathematicians, lawyers, anthopologists, etc and etc...as if to describe the highly sophisticated and IQ-worthy of the included conversation/debate. Why? It's obvious why. Because they feel the need to herd themselves together..somehow, to find that fundamental 'thing' that Can describe them and they're so sick and tired of hearing about religion and Their congregation of folk (when, basically..the atheist doesn't have that; indeed, there are those trying to form a church and as many who poo-poo the idea on the grounds of: we are individuals not designed as such to call ourselves together. ) hmmm, yet they do...they try so desperately, like herding cats: they flounder to find that which describes themselves (all together). It's enough to scratch your head over but not really worth a lot of time doing so because it is their problem. Not anyone elses.
oh fer feck's sake, don't you even read what you cite before you cite it?
I2 is a UK oeganization that sponsors intellectual debates on various controversial topics - has NOTHING to do witheir core membership or any underlying PERSONAL identifier.
geez
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#188505 - 07/01/10 06:24 PM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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shakey56
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Can't speak for others, but all i'm after is freedom from as well as of religion. I'm sick to death of mental midgets electing zealots who are only in it to further a Christian agenda and block any meaningful debate or compromise.
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#188509 - 07/02/10 05:22 AM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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MerryA
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Can't speak for others, but all i'm after is freedom from as well as of religion. I'm sick to death of mental midgets electing zealots who are only in it to further a Christian agenda and block any meaningful debate or compromise.
I am not sure they want to further anything but their own political careers - they speak the language to get the votes. And most Christians do not agree with the far right's agenda.
On a positive note - did you realize that with Kagan on the bench, no Protestants? Six Catholics and three Jews. The white sheeters are having a cow! LOL
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#188524 - 07/02/10 12:50 PM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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starlight.2
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atheist associations exist for the same reasons groups like NM or AAPD exist - mutual solidarity, support, political & social advocacy, etc...
i woulda thought it would be self-evident.
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#188613 - 07/05/10 12:50 PM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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Deo
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Hi,
A few years ago, I realised that I was an athiest. I come from a religious background(Hinduism). All my friends and family are very religious and I see their need for god. Hey life is scary.
Anyway like in the USA, under Bush, here in Trinidad we started to see the insidious creeping of religious far right in government policy. There was also the construction of a million dollar church with state funds. This was when I joined the local humanist group, to be an advocate for rational thinking in state affairs and to condemn the abuse of state funds. Being a social animal, I also joined the local chapter of Disabled People's Internaltional. Joining these groups have done more for me (support,social advocacy etc) than any church would have done (at this presence phase of my existence)
ps-on the advice of his spiritusl advisor, the prime minister called a snap election more than two years befor it was due and lost by a landslide.
Deo
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#188632 - 07/06/10 10:59 AM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
[Re: Deo]
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starlight.2
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hello, always nice to "meet" a fellow rationalist.
welcome to the fish bowl. 
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#188723 - 07/07/10 09:45 PM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
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Deo
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Thanks starlight.2
I will be the first to admit that we all make judgements on groups and individual before really getting to know them, but it seems persons of deep faith are the quickest to do this, thus ignoring the one of the main tenet of the sermon on the mount. This observation comes from years of reading these posts.
Should there be a forum for atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers etc.?
Deo
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#188731 - 07/08/10 09:21 AM
Re: Atheism is the New Fundamentalism
[Re: Deo]
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starlight.2
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Thanks starlight.2
I will be the first to admit that we all make judgements on groups and individual before really getting to know them, but it seems persons of deep faith are the quickest to do this, thus ignoring the one of the main tenet of the sermon on the mount. This observation comes from years of reading these posts.
Should there be a forum for atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers etc.?
Deo
not a bad idea, altho i'm not exactly sure we'd have the numbers consistently enough to warrant our own forum.
just fyi, in case you're looking for atheist/humanist communities online, you might like to check out the discussion boards over at center for inquiry.
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