#188771 - 07/08/10 11:52 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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inkblister
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I think that is just what I explained, inkblister. Those were questions not answers my friend. You are right I do gather most of my information from christian scientists. Why would I select any other scientist who has agenda to denigrate the creator? After all you don't spend much time with christian scientists and their enlightenment I would think.
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You didn't explain anything... How does any other scientist "denigrate the creator"?... What is their agenda besides finding the truth about the universe?... There are many scientists that are christians, but still subscribe to hard science... Just because they don't mention god doesn't mean they are insulting god... That's like saying one hates literature because they haven't read Stephen King...
Despite what you may think and unlike you, I am willing to consider all views and opinions when seeking answers... I have looked at "christian science" (what little of it there is as these "scientists" are the extreme minority, and no wonder) on several occasions for a different point of view (on creationism, "intelligent design"/biology, archeology, anthropology, etc.) , and it just never seems to work... From what I've observed, "christian science" always tends to work backwards, starting with an answer, then forming the theory, and then force fitting and cherry picking insular data to fit the answer... Whenever they run into a roadblock or counter evidence they always resort to "because god works in mysterious ways" clause to fill in the gaps... The results are consistantly shoddy and flimsy at best and tend to be easily disproved...
I find it odd how say you have no time to consider another perspective, yet have plenty of time to constantly regurgitate your "christian" beliefs, spread political misinformation and practice religious slander all over the forums...
And you still haven't answered my question as to which scientists (of the supposed many) have abandoned evolution in favor of creationism... Even just a few will do as I would like to see their line of reasoning for this change... Just one cannot do as it can easily be dimissed as an abberation... The more you can provide, the more it would back up your arguement as this being a trend... (see?... this is how science and research works)...
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Thanks for the link... I've seen a few of these lectures and others by Dr. Scott... He is a great speaker...
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#188783 - 07/09/10 09:51 AM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paulwa Sorry to have you endure that, but she presents as an anthropologist and defines religion as "a set of rules and beliefs a people have about a non material reality".
On the subject of creation and evolution beliefs range from flat earthers-geocentrist-young earthers-old earthers-theistic evolutionist-materialist. It would appear that most of humanity are theistic evolutionist but this pecular creation/evolution issue seems to be an American thing.
Anyway the practice of religion and science are cultural things that human beings do. In my case I am a student of science and tend to look at things from this standpoint. Everybody is different.
Good grief: didn't mean to fuddle things up or deviate from the thread. Deo
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#188788 - 07/09/10 12:05 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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inkblister
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no worries Deo... Happens all the time..
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#188791 - 07/09/10 02:07 PM
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I believe what I believe and am beginning to care less and less what everyone else believes.
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#188793 - 07/09/10 02:36 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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And as long as you recognize and state that it is solely your BELIEF and don't try to present these things as if they were proven facts, people would be far less critical of you.
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#188805 - 07/09/10 03:50 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paulwa, have you ever read, or watched, Stephen Hawkings' work? If so, what do you think of his theories?
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#188809 - 07/09/10 05:27 PM
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I believe what I believe even tho it's batshit crazy and am beginning to care less and less what everyone else believes, cuz my delusions are easily shaken, and that scares me.
Paul
fixed it for ya 
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#188811 - 07/09/10 05:59 PM
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LOL Shakey... Awesome... 
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#188812 - 07/09/10 06:03 PM
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Yes I have watched a couple of Hawkings video lectures. I haven't made up my mind as to what he exactly believes but he is a very smart scientist. It is amazing at his accomplishments considering his disabilities although those disabilities may allow him to focus harder on his theretical work than it would for an able bodied person but only he could answer that.
I have a video concerning the Shroud of turin and it is drawing many theoretical scientists to bringing about new physics and tying the micro into the macro in new studies. There may be new answers coming up soon in theoretical physics.
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#188825 - 07/09/10 07:16 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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shakey56
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you mean the shroud that was dated to more than a thousand year after jesus bit the dust?
get some new material already!
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#188826 - 07/09/10 07:23 PM
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I should have guessed at how out of date you are.
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#188827 - 07/09/10 07:34 PM
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shakey56
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lol...you would know being out of date. until your so called scientists can present credible evidence which they have yet to do on any front the shroud is just another hoax perpetrated by fanatics.
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#188828 - 07/09/10 07:39 PM
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You shouldn't take your head out of the sand just to answer me, Shakey..too much oxygen can be toxic for those not used to it.:-)
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#188829 - 07/09/10 07:44 PM
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Wise words. You would do well to follow them.
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#188830 - 07/09/10 07:48 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Heed your own advice Paulwa, only you have to pull your head out of your ass...
From what I understand, the church is no longer allowing any further study of the shroud for fear of revealing it as the hoax that it is... As it was discovered when it was last studied...
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