#188648 - 07/06/10 06:57 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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flicka
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Yep, it's all ones perspective. Interesting that you mention your interpretation of faith (in this instance). That is another discussion I enjoy!
I view faith & trust as completely different creatures. I use 'trust' when talking about known things and 'faith' for unknown things. For example, when I am driving bumper-to-bumper at 65mph, I trust my ability to drive, but I only have faith in the other drivers' abilities.
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#188652 - 07/06/10 07:38 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paulwa_dup1
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Good one Flicka, I have to agree although I fully understand inkblisters comments, I think.
But when it comes to evolution I think believing that requires all the components of religion..at least in the faith end of it. But it is not something I choose to argue about anymore. Doesn't mean anything to me what people believe but teaching it to the youth as pure scientific truth is totally wrong in my book.
Paul
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#188653 - 07/06/10 07:44 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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lol...if you don't wanna argue abt it, don't throw out ignorant statements like that. Evolution is scientific fact to any thinking person. It requires no leap of faith.
Edited by shakey56 (07/06/10 07:44 PM)
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#188655 - 07/06/10 07:57 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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It is a total fallacy to this thinking msan. In my opinion only a fool says in his heart there is no God who created all of this we see and live in..no! That is the bibles opinion..but we know there are no fools around here only the sadly misinformed. :-)Paul
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#188656 - 07/06/10 08:39 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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flicka
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I don't think believing in evolution negates a creator, or God.
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#188657 - 07/06/10 10:49 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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It's easy to have trust in the findings of science since it has produced so many clearly visible results that are all around us. Science is also self-correcting in that ideas that don't produce testable results are quickly discarded and replaced with ideas that do.
If religion embraced the concept of eliminating ideas that don't produce testable results nearly all present-day religious dogma and ritual would have been thrown out centuries ago. Faith and belief are the only things that keep most religions alive.
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#188658 - 07/06/10 11:21 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paulwa_dup1
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Just all in the way People view things I guess. Flicka I think evolution violates the scriptures on creation..but many are able to wedge ervolution in to help God with this, I guess.
Paul
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#188667 - 07/07/10 10:13 AM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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The only conflict between evolution and the Bible is if you insist on interpreting the word "day" in Genesis as our normal 24 hour day. IMO that makes no sense at all since according to Genesis the earth itself wasn't created until day 3 and the sun, moon, and stars were created on day 4, animals on day 5, and people on day 6.
A day is the time it takes for the earth to make one rotation on its axis, and we observe it by watching the position of the sun change in the sky. How could there have been days before the earth and sun even existed?
If you're willing to accept that the word "day" in Genesis just means some unspecified length of time (maybe many millions of years by our time scale) then Genesis isn't really out of sync with evolution at all. Genesis says that plants came first, then animals, and finally people. That's exactly the same sequence that evolution says it happened.
So the only real dispute comes down to the time scale. If you insist that "day" in Genesis literally means 24 hours then evolution simply doesn't work that fast. But if you're willing to accept that the word "day" could mean millions of years then evolution fits neatly in with Genesis.
IMO most educated religious people manage to believe in the Bible while still accepting the fact of evolution by just not obsessing over a narrow interpretation of what the word "day" in Genesis really means. All the fighting about it is just a matter of semantics.
Edited by ghoti (07/07/10 10:14 AM)
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#188671 - 07/07/10 11:59 AM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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I used to believe that way but no longer believe in evolution..too many facts against it but I can understand others holding it to be what happened. No problem.
Paul
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#188674 - 07/07/10 12:25 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Greg
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I used to believe that way but no longer believe in evolution..too many facts against it but I can understand others holding it to be what happened. No problem.
Paul
"too many facts"?
LOL
go objective when it suits your position, right?
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#188675 - 07/07/10 01:14 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paul's wouldn't know facts unless one of his sources showed them to him. Only those highly suspect sources have any validity in his mind, and anything contrary is biased bunk. If anyone knows biased bunk, it's Paul. Problem is he calls it fact from his trusted sources.
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#188677 - 07/07/10 01:39 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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The only conflict between evolution and the Bible is if you insist on interpreting the word "day" in Genesis as our normal 24 hour day.
Absolutely.
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#188678 - 07/07/10 01:40 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paulwa_dup1
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Shakey you are just describing the way I see you and people who believe like you do. I seriously think there is no way to change these view points. Stalemate, till truth finally sets us all aright.
Paul
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#188682 - 07/07/10 02:01 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Greg
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Stalemate, till truth finally sets us all aright.
Paul
Just curious, by truth do you mean that which can be derived from proven and accepted evidence and reasoned evaluation? Or by truth are you referring to when God reveals to us "the rest of the story"?
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#188685 - 07/07/10 02:13 PM
Re: Atheists' Billboard Vandalized in NC
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Paulwa_dup1
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accepted evidence and reasoned evaluation not acceptable..proven scientific evidence is acceptable or my choice, when God reveals it all to us, is the other choice. Either way we will get the truth or the other possibility..oblivian..in which case truth will not matter.
Paul
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