#189542 - 07/19/10 02:31 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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shakey56
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Paul's just lonely. He wants us to join his delusion.
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#189543 - 07/19/10 02:37 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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shakey56
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Just depends on how strong your beliefs are as to how factual you will believe a fact to be. People will always fight to make their facts true.
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That's how you operate. Those of us dealing in reality depend on the strength of the evidence supporting a fact to determine if we should accept it. We seek truth wether it agrees with our positions or not. Thus we welcome evidence challenging our positions. Belief, at least for me, has nothing to do with it.
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#189642 - 07/20/10 01:07 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paulwa_dup1
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Righteousness was accounted to Abraham for his faith in God..not his belief in facts.
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#189645 - 07/20/10 02:13 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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shakey56
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Quote a reliable source just once...lol
Facts are accepted based on their ability to be proven. Belief has nothing to do with it. Belief is for stuff like the tooth fairy and santa claus...oh and your imaginary friend, God.
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#189648 - 07/20/10 02:30 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Righteousness was accounted to Abraham for his faith in God..not his belief in facts.
Do you think God would have given righteousness to him if he had spread false information and gossiped using hearsay?
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#189675 - 07/20/10 05:29 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paulwa_dup1
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Probably not Flicka but Abraham was under a different set of rules back then, I think. Salvation is not of works lest men should boast. That is todays rules. there are none righteous, no not one..only the blood of Jesus. Abraham had to sacrifice animals for his cleansing from sin so he made sinful mistakes also but even then God counted him worthy of righteousness because of his faith in God.
Why are you trying to trap me, Flicka?
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#189678 - 07/20/10 05:45 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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shakey56
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lol...like you need help trapping yourself.
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#189682 - 07/20/10 05:51 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paulwa_dup1
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You will wish you had a pit to hiss in one of these days Shakey!
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#189704 - 07/20/10 07:33 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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flicka
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I just saw this...
Salvation is not of works lest men should boast.
However:
Abraham had to sacrifice animals for his cleansing from sin
So, today's orthodox jews must do "works" such as animal sacrifice in order to be saved?
Why are you trying to trap me, Flicka?
lol...I'm not. I just do not believe that 'rewards' will be handed out in heaven.
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#189732 - 07/21/10 11:28 AM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paulwa_dup1
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Yes for now the Jews must continue to sacrifice animals which they have not been able to do for two thousand years because they must be sacrificed by Livite priests accoording to God's directions. They are setting up to be ready to rebuild the temple. No one knows just how nthey will accomplish this because some think the Dome of the Rock sits where the original Solomons temple onmce stood. But m,any think the new temple could set in its old position along side the Dome of the Rock without disturbing it. God will work it out. I sam not sure that once the Jews recognize Jesus asd their Messiah whether they will continue to sacrifice or not but there are scriptures that hint of it as a remembrance in eternity. I don't know or have any opinion on this.
The Bema seat of Christ is where rewards will be awarded after the rapture of the church. Also rewards will be lost by sin not placed under the blood sacrifice of Jesus. This will happen in heaven during the tribulation period. Of course this is only with the pre trib rapture group of believers that believe this way. I think it will be just before the Wedding feast of the Lamb.
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#189803 - 07/22/10 05:06 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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The Dome of the Rock is a sacred building to the Islamic people and they would never permit a Jewish temple to be built on that site. Anyone who thinks they'll ever permit that without a massive battle is kidding themselves.
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#189883 - 07/23/10 01:25 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Don't think removing the Dome of the Rock will be necessary for a Jewish temple to be built in ts orignal place but if God wanted it there the DOR would quickly become history and Allah would go down in flames Just as Dagon went down before the Holy Ark of the Couvenant. Just IMO!
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#189885 - 07/23/10 01:32 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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My understanding is that the Dome is built right on top of the old temple. Even if it's just alongside or nearby, I can't see them allowing it on their territory without a fight.
Of course any being who could create the universe is capable of anything, but He doesn't seem to be in any particular hurry to clear out the space. A lot more people would believe in Him if he'd flex his muscles very visibly and obviously once in a while.
Edited by ghoti (07/23/10 01:38 PM)
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#189886 - 07/23/10 02:08 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paulwa_dup1
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Yep, I think you are right, ghoti, at least about God flexing His muscles. There is a small square indent away from the DOR that some Jews think was the foundation for the Ark of the Couvenant and it is far enough away that it would not desturb the Arab temple. The bible speaks of the outer court yard would be gentile controlled untill the times of the gentles should be fulfilled. I am not sure if this means the Arab temple but I think some do believe that. I am a pitifuol bible scholar and should know all these thngs but the older get the less I delve into the deep bible studes that some do. I get a lot of my information from a man and minster zi admire greatly who is a Canadian by the way. His name is Grant Jeffrie (sp) and is on the web with his site.
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#189888 - 07/23/10 02:12 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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My understanding is that the Dome is built right on top of the old temple. Even if it's just alongside or nearby, I can't see them allowing it on their territory without a fight.
Of course any being who could create the universe is capable of anything, but He doesn't seem to be in any particular hurry to clear out the space. A lot more people would believe in Him if he'd flex his muscles very visibly and obviously once in a while.
This reminds me of that country that sold itself out to satan. What was it's name? Haiti, or something? How many people did God wipe out in just a matter of just some seconds in that country? Wasn't it hundred thousand or more?
What about that other earth quake that happened? Wasn't it in Chile or something? Didn't that move the entire continent and also shorten the days on earth? Yeah,,,I think it did and I urge you to look into it if you doubt it.
With muscle like that it's a blessing that God has been holding back for as long as He has.
What say you, ghoti?
Edited by ronniechoate34 (07/23/10 03:35 PM)
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