#189889 - 07/23/10 02:28 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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shakey56
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Yup, Paul recruited ole Ronnie to make him look somewhat sane.
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#189907 - 07/23/10 07:51 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paulwa_dup1
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There are a great many christians who would agree with Ron 100 percent. I am in a position that would not say he is wrong..could be more right than wrong.
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#189916 - 07/24/10 12:44 AM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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Paul I
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It's some god who shows his power by causing an earthquake in the poorest region of a country. Wow, I'm in awe.... of the fact that no loving, forgiving god would do that. So far as I know earthquakes occur due to the release of increasing stresses resulting for tectonic plate movement and/or volcanic activity.
Now that we understand such events we need not attribute it to
a god as a mysterious occurrence. Earthquakes can be devastating due to clusters of population and substandard construction for a earthquake zone. There are many each day which we are unaware of
unless we're seismoligists until they hit a populated area.
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#189918 - 07/24/10 08:42 AM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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ghoti
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IMO most people would be far more impressed by some positive miracle that proves his love and compassion - say like spontaneously curing every child in the world who is dying of cancer or AIDS. Or how about showing his support for Israel by visiting a plague on all their enemies? Or proving that the pre-trib notion is correct by giving all its opponents hemorrhoids or something?
Earthquakes that happen in areas with well-documented fault zones, hurricanes that hit tropical areas, blizzards in the middle of winter, famines that hit poor and overpopulated areas, etc. are easily explained by perfectly natural causes and hardly qualify as proof of God's intercession. show us something that can't be explained by common knowledge if it is to be seen as a genuine miracle.
I don't get why he spoke openly and clearly to all the Biblical prophets and performed so many miracles over 2000 years ago as documented in the Bible and then just apparently stopped doing those things.
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#189920 - 07/24/10 09:07 AM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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ævory
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show us something that can't be explained by common knowledge if it is to be seen as a genuine miracle.
I don't recall exactly what you saw, but didn't you see Jesus or a prophet or something during your personal *experience/revelation/awakening, ghoti?
You didn't give a lot of detail about it and I figure for several reasons, one of which was because it's hard to describe, yet it's a miracle.
Or what label you would like to put it under. It's still a miracle. Are you denying your own experience/miracle?
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#189923 - 07/24/10 09:55 AM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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ghoti
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Ronda, my personal vision was totally convincing to me in shaping my beliefs. It involved a direct message to me from the Creator, not from Jesus, and it converted me from an atheist into a Deist.
While I might view it as personally miraculous, I would never expect anyone else to accept it based solely on my say-so. Personal visions are the kinds of things that give you proof of your individual beliefs but aren't convincing to others.
If God wants to prove himself, he could easily perform some mass miracle that would be observed by a large number of people. According to the Bible he did those things quite often in the past, but it appears he stopped doing them over the last 2000 years and I'm wondering why.
People often refer to developments by science as "modern miracles". IMO God may very well have chosen scientists to be his prophets to to modern world, and they are the ones we should be listening to now.
Edited by ghoti (07/24/10 09:57 AM)
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#189934 - 07/24/10 12:54 PM
Re: Read The King James Bible - Apocrypha Not in Bible
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ronniechoate34
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Ghoti.
Proverbs:25:2: It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Ezekiel:28:17: Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
That's just something for us to consider.
Galatians:5:9: A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Matthew:13:33: Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Matthew:12:38: Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
Matthew:12:39: But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Matthew:12:40: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew:12:41: The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Luke:16:19: There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Lu:16:20: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Lu:16:21: And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke:16:22: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Lu:16:23: And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke:16:24: And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke:16:25: But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luke:16:26: And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luke:16:27: Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Lu:16:28: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luke:16:29: Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luke:16:30: And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Lu:16:31: And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
I pray that you have read these scriptures and understood them.
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