#188266 - 06/26/10 01:36 PM
Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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Ok, when I first learned of the resignation by our man in Afghanistan, I thought, 'what a stupid thing to do...letting the Rolling Stones' journalist in on a drinking conversation." He knew better, it was the Rolling Stones, afterall. Far lefties, lefties and more lefties.
So, I was impressed that Obama stood His course and let him (McC.) resign, hired on Petraues, (both men being highly respected); I thought Obama showed he would not back down from the course of things in Afghanistan.
Then, I'm listening the other night to Beck, and i had to agree with him.
Now, after reading Huffington Post and Especially Wall Street Journal,...gee, I hope it is true that morale of the men and women fighting for our country is even higher, more positive..with Petraus coming in.
And what do you think? Obama tells us that he highly respects the guy who resigned and yet....hmmm, I dunno, maybe he should have told McChrystal that he wasn't all that thrilled by his drinking vocal splurges about him or of the vice-pres., Biden, but that he was still following the course set out ---With McChrystal in charge. I think I would have been even more impressed by Obama's action there.
How can one man make that much diff. when the plan of action is going to remain the same?
Funny how Petraus didn't hesitate about taking the responsibility on. ps..i have a close family member, well....close close on the otherside of the family, member who was in the secret service ...career man, retired recently, hadn't seen his wife like forever, and they planned to spend the next two years just catching up with each other and traveling, loving retirement....and he was asked to serve again and he did not blink an eye, he went back in. He's somewhere, overseas,....sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/23/olbermann-tells-obama-rej_n_622035.html
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#188273 - 06/26/10 01:52 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Paulwa_dup1
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I find it interesting Ronda, especially since Gen. McCristle was hand picked by Obama to run things. He definately fired him from leader position regardless of the cover story he is throwing out..and now he is putting A general to run the war who was George Bush's pick. Ha! Kind of ironic, huh? I know he must be fuming cause he can't find any way to blame Bush for all this! Not that Bush was much better.
Paul
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#188276 - 06/26/10 02:17 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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lazer
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it could go either way
but in this case it boils down to you cant have people under u that disagree with u in public
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#188277 - 06/26/10 02:36 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Arrogance & alcohol...a deadly mixture.
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#188278 - 06/26/10 02:38 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Just shows to me that Obama is not a good judge of people so what about some of the other losers he has picked to advise him..losers in my book anyway and some downright commie dangerous!
Paul
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#188303 - 06/27/10 07:43 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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I find it interesting Ronda, especially since Gen. McCristle was hand picked by Obama to run things. He definately fired him from leader position regardless of the cover story he is throwing out..and now he is putting A general to run the war who was George Bush's pick. Ha! Kind of ironic, huh? I know he must be fuming cause he can't find any way to blame Bush for all this! Not that Bush was much better.
Paul
Yup, yer right, Paulwa. And it's what I'm saying...it's a gamble, unless Petraeus has a real winning plan up his sleeve, changing generals wasn't the way to go...my final opinion.
Edited by ævory (06/27/10 07:44 AM)
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#188304 - 06/27/10 07:46 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jun/27/key-departures-test-obamas-future/
June 27, 2010 in Opinion
Key departures test Obama’s future
David S. Broder The Spokesman-Review
Two departures from the Obama administration go a long way toward illuminating what is important – and what is not – in determining its political fate.
The firing of Gen. Stanley McChrystal and the resignation of budget director Peter Orszag represent the most significant fraying in the top levels of the government since President Barack Obama took office 17 months ago.
Obviously, they are not similar. McChrystal was canned after being called back from Kabul and given a brief hearing at the White House because he and his aides had been monumentally indiscreet in discussing, in the presence of a reporter, their views on the shortcomings of the president and his national security team.
Of his own volition, Orszag announced his pending retirement as the director of the White House Office of Management and Budget. He wasn’t pushed; he jumped, looking for shorter hours and a bigger paycheck.
When I say these departures show us what is really important in the judgments about Obama that will be forthcoming – first in the midterm elections in November and then in 2012 – this is what I mean:
As forecast by his campaign, Obama has staked almost everything in his reputation as commander in chief on the conduct of the war in Afghanistan. He staged a long and heavily publicized review of the war strategy, concluded it by adding 30,000 more U.S. troops to the struggle, set a mid-2011 deadline for beginning a withdrawal, and picked McChrystal as the commander to carry out the task.
That choice – recommended by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who fired McChrystal’s predecessor – has now backfired, but the president insists the change of command does not signal a change of strategy. His fingerprints are still indelibly on the war.
Instead, he has turned back to Gen. David Petraeus, the hero of President George W. Bush’s Iraq surge – which was opposed by Obama – and handed him the mess that is Afghanistan.
At some point in the future, a nuclear Iran may pose an even greater challenge for Obama. But for now, and likely in 2012, he will be rated on national security by what happens in Afghanistan.
Why is Orszag’s departure equally significant? Because he has been at the intersection of three domestic concerns as important in their way as Afghanistan is in its realm: health care, the budget and the economy.
The OMB director provided much of the intellectual firepower behind Obama’s approach to health care legislation. He shaped the budgets that have become increasingly the center of debate between Democrats and Republicans. And he has been a central voice on overall economic policy.
Those topics loom large on the agenda for the next two elections. On all of them, Obama is walking a fine line. He has tried to finesse some of the issues in health care by phasing in his proposals and by avoiding the direct approach of a “public option” or expanded Medicare. Similarly, on the budget and economy, he has called for stimulus measures but also promised spending restraint and ultimate fiscal discipline. In Afghanistan, too, he is trying to have it both ways, sending in more troops but still standing by his vow to begin a withdrawal.
All of these measures – and the men behind them – are controversial. And over all of them looms the issue of Obama’s leadership. As the latest Pew Research Center poll confirms, none of the president’s actions so far at home or abroad has damaged his overall approval numbers – which remain just below 50 percent.
What has changed dramatically is the perception of him as a leader. The number describing him as a strong leader has dropped from 77 percent in February 2009 to 53 percent in the latest Pew poll – perhaps in part because of the futility of the federal response to the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster.
Firing McChrystal was a strong action, but it will benefit the president only if Petraeus has one more miracle in his pocket. What a gamble.
David S. Broder is a columnist for the Washington Post. His e-mail address is davidbroder@washpost.com.
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#188306 - 06/27/10 07:56 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Firing McChrystal was his only realistic action. Petraeus is the miracle man - I am happy as a duck on water with the decision. 
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#188308 - 06/27/10 08:06 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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Firing McChrystal was his only realistic action. Petraeus is the miracle man - I am happy as a duck on water with the decision.
The Realism of it is yet to be determined. Afterall, it was just some talk in a bar.
Edited by ævory (06/27/10 08:06 AM)
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#188309 - 06/27/10 09:29 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Just shows to me that Obama is not a good judge of people so what about some of the other losers he has picked to advise him..losers in my book anyway and some downright commie dangerous!
Paul
dont be a idiot, this shiit happens in every administration
you think anyone could have a perfect situation?
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#188319 - 06/27/10 03:51 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Do you think our government has always been loaded with communists, Lazer? I haven't seen that to be the case in the last 50 yuears or so. Least I don't think so.
Paul
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#188320 - 06/27/10 04:06 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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lazer
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Do you think our government has always been loaded with communists, Lazer? I haven't seen that to be the case in the last 50 yuears or so. Least I don't think so.
Paul
go ahead, list the communists.....
but i always ask u to list what u say, and u never do cuz u just talk
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#188321 - 06/27/10 04:51 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Paul I
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People come and people go in an administration and it need not have great implications beyond a coming and going. The press will overturn every stone looking for a greater meaning or a possible conspiracy.
Obama has an image problem probably because he's the only main thing for the press to exploit. I know of little more that the government could have done in the gulf. The only thing I heard of was bringing in foreign cleanup teams. It's "the horse is out of the barn" deal. How can one person know all the possible contingencies in any given technological situation? It's impossible especially when one party's interest lies in making it all invisible. It's totally different than Katrina even if the press doesn't know it. We're becoming a country of blame someone else, anyone, preferably the President.
Afghanistan is tough. Worse than Iraq. I'd draw a line about 1/4 of the way west of Kabul. Build a town and ask all women, children and old people to move there. I'd be tempted to give that 1/4 to Pakistan and say "here, sort it out" but don't cross this line. Let them kill each other off.
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#188344 - 06/28/10 01:10 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Lazer I could go in and research the people surrounding Obama, but it would serve no purpose. Needless to say after listening to people like Van Jones and others, there is no questioning as to their communist leanings. If you want to know then you do the research. I am totally satisfied with my statement as are a great many others who have followed the matter. My eyes are open but I don't think yours are very open on this subject and you just want to argue.
Paul
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#188345 - 06/28/10 01:15 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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I am totally satisfied with my statement as are a great many others who have followed the matter.
Why do people always assume that if a number of others believe as they do it gives more credence to their opinion?
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