#188266 - 06/26/10 01:36 PM
Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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Ok, when I first learned of the resignation by our man in Afghanistan, I thought, 'what a stupid thing to do...letting the Rolling Stones' journalist in on a drinking conversation." He knew better, it was the Rolling Stones, afterall. Far lefties, lefties and more lefties.
So, I was impressed that Obama stood His course and let him (McC.) resign, hired on Petraues, (both men being highly respected); I thought Obama showed he would not back down from the course of things in Afghanistan.
Then, I'm listening the other night to Beck, and i had to agree with him.
Now, after reading Huffington Post and Especially Wall Street Journal,...gee, I hope it is true that morale of the men and women fighting for our country is even higher, more positive..with Petraus coming in.
And what do you think? Obama tells us that he highly respects the guy who resigned and yet....hmmm, I dunno, maybe he should have told McChrystal that he wasn't all that thrilled by his drinking vocal splurges about him or of the vice-pres., Biden, but that he was still following the course set out ---With McChrystal in charge. I think I would have been even more impressed by Obama's action there.
How can one man make that much diff. when the plan of action is going to remain the same?
Funny how Petraus didn't hesitate about taking the responsibility on. ps..i have a close family member, well....close close on the otherside of the family, member who was in the secret service ...career man, retired recently, hadn't seen his wife like forever, and they planned to spend the next two years just catching up with each other and traveling, loving retirement....and he was asked to serve again and he did not blink an eye, he went back in. He's somewhere, overseas,....sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/23/olbermann-tells-obama-rej_n_622035.html
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#188273 - 06/26/10 01:52 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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I find it interesting Ronda, especially since Gen. McCristle was hand picked by Obama to run things. He definately fired him from leader position regardless of the cover story he is throwing out..and now he is putting A general to run the war who was George Bush's pick. Ha! Kind of ironic, huh? I know he must be fuming cause he can't find any way to blame Bush for all this! Not that Bush was much better.
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#188276 - 06/26/10 02:17 PM
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lazer
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it could go either way
but in this case it boils down to you cant have people under u that disagree with u in public
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#188277 - 06/26/10 02:36 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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#188278 - 06/26/10 02:38 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Just shows to me that Obama is not a good judge of people so what about some of the other losers he has picked to advise him..losers in my book anyway and some downright commie dangerous!
Paul
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#188303 - 06/27/10 07:43 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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I find it interesting Ronda, especially since Gen. McCristle was hand picked by Obama to run things. He definately fired him from leader position regardless of the cover story he is throwing out..and now he is putting A general to run the war who was George Bush's pick. Ha! Kind of ironic, huh? I know he must be fuming cause he can't find any way to blame Bush for all this! Not that Bush was much better.
Paul
Yup, yer right, Paulwa. And it's what I'm saying...it's a gamble, unless Petraeus has a real winning plan up his sleeve, changing generals wasn't the way to go...my final opinion.
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#188304 - 06/27/10 07:46 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jun/27/key-departures-test-obamas-future/
June 27, 2010 in Opinion
Key departures test Obama’s future
David S. Broder The Spokesman-Review
Two departures from the Obama administration go a long way toward illuminating what is important – and what is not – in determining its political fate.
The firing of Gen. Stanley McChrystal and the resignation of budget director Peter Orszag represent the most significant fraying in the top levels of the government since President Barack Obama took office 17 months ago.
Obviously, they are not similar. McChrystal was canned after being called back from Kabul and given a brief hearing at the White House because he and his aides had been monumentally indiscreet in discussing, in the presence of a reporter, their views on the shortcomings of the president and his national security team.
Of his own volition, Orszag announced his pending retirement as the director of the White House Office of Management and Budget. He wasn’t pushed; he jumped, looking for shorter hours and a bigger paycheck.
When I say these departures show us what is really important in the judgments about Obama that will be forthcoming – first in the midterm elections in November and then in 2012 – this is what I mean:
As forecast by his campaign, Obama has staked almost everything in his reputation as commander in chief on the conduct of the war in Afghanistan. He staged a long and heavily publicized review of the war strategy, concluded it by adding 30,000 more U.S. troops to the struggle, set a mid-2011 deadline for beginning a withdrawal, and picked McChrystal as the commander to carry out the task.
That choice – recommended by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who fired McChrystal’s predecessor – has now backfired, but the president insists the change of command does not signal a change of strategy. His fingerprints are still indelibly on the war.
Instead, he has turned back to Gen. David Petraeus, the hero of President George W. Bush’s Iraq surge – which was opposed by Obama – and handed him the mess that is Afghanistan.
At some point in the future, a nuclear Iran may pose an even greater challenge for Obama. But for now, and likely in 2012, he will be rated on national security by what happens in Afghanistan.
Why is Orszag’s departure equally significant? Because he has been at the intersection of three domestic concerns as important in their way as Afghanistan is in its realm: health care, the budget and the economy.
The OMB director provided much of the intellectual firepower behind Obama’s approach to health care legislation. He shaped the budgets that have become increasingly the center of debate between Democrats and Republicans. And he has been a central voice on overall economic policy.
Those topics loom large on the agenda for the next two elections. On all of them, Obama is walking a fine line. He has tried to finesse some of the issues in health care by phasing in his proposals and by avoiding the direct approach of a “public option” or expanded Medicare. Similarly, on the budget and economy, he has called for stimulus measures but also promised spending restraint and ultimate fiscal discipline. In Afghanistan, too, he is trying to have it both ways, sending in more troops but still standing by his vow to begin a withdrawal.
All of these measures – and the men behind them – are controversial. And over all of them looms the issue of Obama’s leadership. As the latest Pew Research Center poll confirms, none of the president’s actions so far at home or abroad has damaged his overall approval numbers – which remain just below 50 percent.
What has changed dramatically is the perception of him as a leader. The number describing him as a strong leader has dropped from 77 percent in February 2009 to 53 percent in the latest Pew poll – perhaps in part because of the futility of the federal response to the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster.
Firing McChrystal was a strong action, but it will benefit the president only if Petraeus has one more miracle in his pocket. What a gamble.
David S. Broder is a columnist for the Washington Post. His e-mail address is davidbroder@washpost.com.
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#188306 - 06/27/10 07:56 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Firing McChrystal was his only realistic action. Petraeus is the miracle man - I am happy as a duck on water with the decision. 
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#188308 - 06/27/10 08:06 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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ævory
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Firing McChrystal was his only realistic action. Petraeus is the miracle man - I am happy as a duck on water with the decision.
The Realism of it is yet to be determined. Afterall, it was just some talk in a bar.
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#188309 - 06/27/10 09:29 AM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Just shows to me that Obama is not a good judge of people so what about some of the other losers he has picked to advise him..losers in my book anyway and some downright commie dangerous!
Paul
dont be a idiot, this shiit happens in every administration
you think anyone could have a perfect situation?
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#188319 - 06/27/10 03:51 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Do you think our government has always been loaded with communists, Lazer? I haven't seen that to be the case in the last 50 yuears or so. Least I don't think so.
Paul
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#188320 - 06/27/10 04:06 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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Do you think our government has always been loaded with communists, Lazer? I haven't seen that to be the case in the last 50 yuears or so. Least I don't think so.
Paul
go ahead, list the communists.....
but i always ask u to list what u say, and u never do cuz u just talk
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#188321 - 06/27/10 04:51 PM
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People come and people go in an administration and it need not have great implications beyond a coming and going. The press will overturn every stone looking for a greater meaning or a possible conspiracy.
Obama has an image problem probably because he's the only main thing for the press to exploit. I know of little more that the government could have done in the gulf. The only thing I heard of was bringing in foreign cleanup teams. It's "the horse is out of the barn" deal. How can one person know all the possible contingencies in any given technological situation? It's impossible especially when one party's interest lies in making it all invisible. It's totally different than Katrina even if the press doesn't know it. We're becoming a country of blame someone else, anyone, preferably the President.
Afghanistan is tough. Worse than Iraq. I'd draw a line about 1/4 of the way west of Kabul. Build a town and ask all women, children and old people to move there. I'd be tempted to give that 1/4 to Pakistan and say "here, sort it out" but don't cross this line. Let them kill each other off.
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#188344 - 06/28/10 01:10 PM
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Lazer I could go in and research the people surrounding Obama, but it would serve no purpose. Needless to say after listening to people like Van Jones and others, there is no questioning as to their communist leanings. If you want to know then you do the research. I am totally satisfied with my statement as are a great many others who have followed the matter. My eyes are open but I don't think yours are very open on this subject and you just want to argue.
Paul
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#188345 - 06/28/10 01:15 PM
Re: Obama was right or was it a mistake?
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I am totally satisfied with my statement as are a great many others who have followed the matter.
Why do people always assume that if a number of others believe as they do it gives more credence to their opinion?
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#188355 - 06/28/10 02:28 PM
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Paul, do you understand what communism actually is? We are so far from it. My guess is you're thinking about socialism. Obama had a great opportunity to move seriously into socialism when he bailed out the banks, GM, Chrysler, AIG etc. Te government could have owned them all. That's socialism. As you see most are paying or have paid the government off for what they received. McCarthy was the last clown to throw th term "communism" around loosly and destroyed many lives with it until he was finally challenged and proven hugely incorrect.
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#188390 - 06/29/10 12:27 PM
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I consider communist, those who followe the bias of Stalin, Marx and Mao no matter where they live.
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#188430 - 06/30/10 12:53 PM
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Obama had no choice, and neither did the general.
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#188437 - 06/30/10 02:23 PM
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Greg
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The interesting and clever point being missed is Obama took a large problem, no several large problems and turned them into pluses.
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#188439 - 06/30/10 02:32 PM
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It is no plus for anybody, except maybe Petreaus if he survives this.
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#188443 - 06/30/10 02:57 PM
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Greg
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McChrystral wasn't getting the job done, maybe Patreaus has a better chance, at least they will say Obama put the best in charge, Patraeus has the political sense McChyrstal didn't. Puts on hold any political ambitions Patreus might have. All pluses, at least for Obama.
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#188455 - 06/30/10 05:38 PM
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Lazer I could go in and research the people surrounding Obama, but it would serve no purpose.
It might give you some credibility Paul, something you have never had here------->  <--------LMAO
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#188456 - 06/30/10 05:42 PM
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It is no plus for anybody, except maybe Petreaus if he survives this.
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#188470 - 06/30/10 07:33 PM
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As long as I am credible to myself that is all that counts with me. The road belongs only to the individual and every footstep is their responsiblility so what I say means nothing to those who are responsible for guiding their own footsteps. I speak my mind but what anyone retains of my words is only at their discretion. You know dust in the wind.
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#188476 - 06/30/10 08:42 PM
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Hopefully we all aspire to much more than that, Paul. If we are only credible to ourselves, we are easily deluded and misled.
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#188480 - 07/01/10 05:39 AM
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As long as I am credible to myself that is all that counts with me. The road belongs only to the individual and every footstep is their responsiblility so what I say means nothing to those who are responsible for guiding their own footsteps. I speak my mind but what anyone retains of my words is only at their discretion. You know dust in the wind.
Paul
Wonderful post, Paul.
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#188484 - 07/01/10 07:31 AM
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As long as I am credible to myself that is all that counts with me. The road belongs only to the individual and every footstep is their responsiblility so what I say means nothing to those who are responsible for guiding their own footsteps. I speak my mind but what anyone retains of my words is only at their discretion. You know dust in the wind.
Paul Wonderful post, Paul.
It might be a wonderful post ronduh but it does not give him any credibility, something he really needs. If you want to live in your own little world I understand Paulwa. What is the color of the sky in your world ?
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#188503 - 07/01/10 05:49 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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A beautiful blue except for cloudy days Craig. What color is yours? :-)
Thank you, Ronda, it is the way I see it. Shakeys view is all right too as long as he does not have a God or creator to answer too.
Paul
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#188504 - 07/01/10 06:12 PM
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I don't and neither do you ;p
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#188514 - 07/02/10 08:42 AM
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I think Paulwa thinks god is keeping track of every little deed we do. It makes me crazy.
If god has so much compassion why are we fighting two wars with hundreds of thousands of collaterral(sp) damage (killed) of woman and children ?
American soldiers being killed right and left.
Nateral disasters all over the world, some killing over 200,000.00 innocent people in some cases.
Is that the god you bow down to Paul ?
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#188522 - 07/02/10 10:31 AM
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That def does make one wonder. As i sit and watch the news and see the increase in numbers of children being killed and sickly finding that a parent has been involved. Where is that higher power then?
I do agree that it must be helpful in life, to have something to believe in. But there has to be a line.
At the end of the day, we all have ourselves and that is what I feel is the most important to have faith within as well as to answer to.
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#188528 - 07/02/10 01:21 PM
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I don't think there is anything lost in God's record keeping..with the exception of repented sins..He chooses to blot out of His memory in honor of the sacrifice made by His Son. I don't pretend to have even an inkling about how He does any of this. The troubles we are all experiencing in this world is due to not following God's instructions which caused a type of spiritual death and seperated us from God. All of mans evils falls our way in all sorts of catastrophe's. I think it has changed man down to his DNA level because God says we are born in sin now. It is now humsan nature to blame God for all that befalls us but we are to talk to Him and pray for protection and guidance in our lives. He will take care of us and to the extent is only up to Him. All works to good for those who love God. Now I know all this is just mumbo jumbo to many of you, but to me it is life and truth to live by. I hope your beliefs work as well for you.
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#188535 - 07/02/10 03:19 PM
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Who am to tell you what to believe and what not to believe in. I respect your beliefs as I would hope you would mine.
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#188538 - 07/02/10 04:17 PM
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I don't think there is anything lost in God's record keeping..with the exception of repented sins..He chooses to blot out of His memory in honor of the sacrifice made by His Son. I don't pretend to have even an inkling about how He does any of this. The troubles we are all experiencing in this world is due to not following God's instructions which caused a type of spiritual death and seperated us from God. All of mans evils falls our way in all sorts of catastrophe's. I think it has changed man down to his DNA level because God says we are born in sin now. It is now humsan nature to blame God for all that befalls us but we are to talk to Him and pray for protection and guidance in our lives. He will take care of us and to the extent is only up to Him. All works to good for those who love God. Now I know all this is just mumbo jumbo to many of you, but to me it is life and truth to live by. I hope your beliefs work as well for you.
Paul
Bullsh*t Paul you can't explain anything and GOD [if there was one] is responsible for everything, period. You phoney.
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#188555 - 07/02/10 07:54 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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You are right Craig, I can't and in the end God may not be resposible for all that happens but I believe the buck stops with Him and He will be the only one who can set things aright.
Sorry you think I am a phoney.
Paul
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#188562 - 07/03/10 05:42 AM
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cbal-craig
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perhaps phoney is too strong word, let me say I don't think even you believe all the things you post.
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#188571 - 07/03/10 01:16 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Well it is what I believe at the time I post, Craig. Sometimes I find facts that change what I believe, but never on my belief in God and His plan for mankind. It is His plan that I am searching out by scripture, faith,intelligence and interaction with His creation.
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