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#188191 - 06/23/10 11:25 AM mexican government joins fight against immigration
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since when do mexican citizens have rights under the U.S. constitution?

AOL News (June 23) -- The Mexican government has thrust itself into the legal battle against Arizona's controversial immigration law, joining U.S. advocacy groups in federal court to argue that the measure is unconstitutional and violates the basic rights of Mexican citizens.

Lawyers for Mexico filed a brief supporting a lawsuit brought by the ACLU, the National Immigration Law Center and others against the Arizona law, which allows law enforcement to verify someone's residency status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal immigrant.

"Mexico has a duty to protect its citizens and ensure that ethnicity is not used as criteria for discriminatory acts," the court document states. Mexico argues that the Arizona law threatens "the human and civil rights of its citizens when they are present in Arizona."

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The Mexican government has joined U.S. advocacy groups in filing a suit in federal court arguing that Arizona's immigration law, SB 1070, is unconstitutional and violates the basic rights of Mexican citizens. Here, Tucson Police Officer Ysela Welding looks at injuries on the face of a juvenile victim of an assault on May 29.
Unless a federal judge issues an injunction, the law will take effect July 29.

The Arizona law has been a source of controversy in the United States, but it is broadly unpopular in Mexico, where it is seen as flatly discriminatory and even racist.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has been vocal about his opposition to the legislation, which he says "opens the door to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement." He has also warned that the measure could strain relations between Mexico and the United States.

In the mainstream Mexican press, the Arizona law is routinely and uncontroversially referred to as a measure "that criminalizes immigrants because of their race."

A majority of Arizonans, however, support the law, and Mexico's court brief elicited a rapid-fire response Tuesday from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who said she was "very disappointed."

In a statement, Brewer said the brief contained "false assertions and factual inaccuracies" and said the United States has a right to defend itself. "We refuse to accept that the United States government is unable to protect its citizens against a relentless and daily barrage of narco-terrorist drug and human smugglers," she said.

President Barack Obama, however, has called the Arizona law "misguided," and his administration has sent signals that it may challenge the legislation in federal court. Although the administration says it is still reviewing the law, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told an Ecuadorian TV station last week that the Justice Department "will be bringing a lawsuit" against the immigration measure.
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#188224 - 06/24/10 11:51 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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fuk mexico.......

put up a electrified fence
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#188228 - 06/24/10 02:29 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Something tells me that lazer and JB would have more pity for the wildlife that would inevitably be killed by the "electrified fence" ... than for any unfortunate Mexicans.
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#188229 - 06/24/10 02:36 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Skylark]
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These drones are a good idea:

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Agreement on the drone came as President Obama asked Congress for $500 million to fund the drones and also 1,000 additional border patrol officers. Napolitano said the "border is as secure now as it has ever been," with violent crime down on the U.S. side and seizures of drugs and illegal weapons on the increase. But more can be done, she said. Drug-related killings have risen in Mexico, so fears remain that the violence will spill into the U.S. source
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#188230 - 06/24/10 02:47 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Skylark]
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Originally Posted By: Skylark
Something tells me that lazer and JB would have more pity for the wildlife that would inevitably be killed by the "electrified fence" ... than for any unfortunate Mexicans.



i dont want anybody hurt

id be ok with a double wall 40 yards apart and water in between........ and if they drown, their fault

skylark always sounds like a mexican in these discussions, hehe

u bleeding hearts forget....... illegal immigrants is just that, illegal....... so you allowing them makes you a criminal by aiding and abetting............ those who dont are law abiding

so in reality, skylark, rob, craig...... all think its ok to break the law..... so remember that when a crimes committed against u or your family
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#188232 - 06/24/10 02:54 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

skylark always sounds like a mexican in these discussions, hehe

Geez. I wonder why?
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#188233 - 06/24/10 03:21 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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oh, she is mexican?

no wonder she sticks up for them, she wants her extended family here huh, lol

just cuz im a honky i wouldnt stick up for the kkk or skinheads

just be glad its not shoot on sight........ but im ok with taser, lol

p.s. im ok with single female mexicans coming in, but no guys, hehe
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#188235 - 06/24/10 03:31 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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#188240 - 06/25/10 08:29 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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My "extended family" lives in California and Arizona (and the DC area and NYC).

We are all US citizens.

We are Americans, of Mexican heritage.

But we all have two things in common: (1) compassion for our fellow man, and (2) acknowledgement that those who enter the country without documentation are here illegally.

Most illegal immigrants are just quiet people who want a better life than what they left behind, and are not a menace to society. So those who rant about them as though they were no different from hardened, violent criminals simply baffle me...




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#188241 - 06/25/10 09:15 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Skylark]
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who ever said letting them in was about violent criminals?

then why not let in unlimited iraqi, muslim, afghan, syria, iran.....

heck, only a small percentage would try to kill us right?
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#188243 - 06/25/10 10:10 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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lazar, your opinions don't matter to me, so don't get yourself all wrapped around the axle, ok?
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#188244 - 06/25/10 12:22 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Skylark]
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Originally Posted By: Skylark
Something tells me that lazer and JB would have more pity for the wildlife that would inevitably be killed by the "electrified fence" ... than for any unfortunate Mexicans.



WELL, THe wildlife cant read! i am pro legal immigration anti illegal immigration. i have family members and friends that are immigrants... 5 of were just sworn in as citizens in the last year.
because you are of mexican decent you seem to think all mexican/hispanics are all for protection of ILLEGALS or amnesty and i know for a fact you are WRONG!
i've already posted links of hispanics against illegal immigration and in favor of the az law.

ETA i should have put a sarcasm after the wildlife reading. i never said i agree with an electric fence. as usual you assume.


Edited by Johnboy 64 (06/25/10 12:43 PM)
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#188248 - 06/25/10 03:12 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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yea, i cant believe how people can say things about those who abide by the laws

jb said it best.... i am pro legal immigration anti illegal immigration

only morons dont understand that......... and by thier logic they are saying they are for illegal activity

to me, we are 100% in the right legal, they are 100% wrong illegal
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#188268 - 06/26/10 01:40 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
Originally Posted By: Skylark
Something tells me that lazer and JB would have more pity for the wildlife that would inevitably be killed by the "electrified fence" ... than for any unfortunate Mexicans.



i dont want anybody hurt

id be ok with a double wall 40 yards apart and water in between........ and if they drown, their fault

skylark always sounds like a mexican in these discussions, hehe

u bleeding hearts forget....... illegal immigrants is just that, illegal....... so you allowing them makes you a criminal by aiding and abetting............ those who dont are law abiding

so in reality, skylark, rob, craig...... all think its ok to break the law..... so remember that when a crimes committed against u or your family

some laws are meant to be broken: anything that ameliorates pain and is compassionate are okay w/me. mercy-killng; pot smoking; anti-slavery; hiding jews from the nazis, etc.
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#188270 - 06/26/10 01:44 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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i agree with rob
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#188271 - 06/26/10 01:45 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: Skylark
Something tells me that lazer and JB would have more pity for the wildlife that would inevitably be killed by the "electrified fence" ... than for any unfortunate Mexicans.



WELL, THe wildlife cant read! i am pro legal immigration anti illegal immigration. i have family members and friends that are immigrants... 5 of were just sworn in as citizens in the last year.
because you are of mexican decent you seem to think all mexican/hispanics are all for protection of ILLEGALS or amnesty and i know for a fact you are WRONG!
i've already posted links of hispanics against illegal immigration and in favor of the az law.

ETA i should have put a sarcasm after the wildlife reading. i never said i agree with an electric fence. as usual you assume.

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1 conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behavior : the good name of such a decent and innocent person.
• appropriate; fitting : they would meet again after a decent interval.
• not likely to shock or embarrass others : a decent high-necked dress.
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2 [ attrib. ] of an acceptable standard; satisfactory : find me a decent cup of coffee | people need decent homes.
• good : the deer are small: a 14-inch spread is a pretty decent buck.
• kind, obliging, or generous : that was pretty awfully decent of him.
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#188272 - 06/26/10 01:47 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: ævory]
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your racism is anything but decent!
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#188275 - 06/26/10 02:15 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
your racism is anything but decent!


i have seen nothing racist said.

i think rob needs to look up the word
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#188279 - 06/26/10 03:35 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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i just know L A Z E R eats his boogers!
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#188285 - 06/26/10 06:44 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory
i agree with rob
so do i.

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#188312 - 06/27/10 10:54 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
your racism is anything but decent!


WOW, Took you long enough
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#188314 - 06/27/10 11:08 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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you know jb i've always liked you--you have always been one of my favorite ppl on these boards--in fact, this is the only issue we butt heads over. i consider you a friend and would do anything for you. don't let one disagreement ruin our relationship.
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#188317 - 06/27/10 03:31 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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i dont mind disagreeing on issues, but i despise be called names whe it is not warranted. i do conider you a friend, but how can you consider me a friend when you truly believe i'm a racist and a homophobe.
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#188322 - 06/27/10 05:55 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i didn't call you anything.
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#188323 - 06/27/10 06:38 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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We comment on laws and treatment of people in other countries all the time - I don't have a problem with Mexico officially stating they agree the law in question in Arizona is unconstitutional.

There is a huge difference IMO between an undocumented person coming here for a better life and the drug wars that are currently spilling over in Arizona. The first is an immigration issue the other is a criminal issue.

BTW - the wall and fences are stupid ideas because the won't work - except in Berlin. I want to be the USA - are you Russia of old?


Edited by MerryA (06/27/10 06:39 PM)
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#188324 - 06/27/10 06:40 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
your racism is anything but decent!


i do believe this would equate to calling me racist and indecent.
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#188325 - 06/27/10 06:47 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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commenting on laws is one thing, but filing suit in federal court is another.

of course, there is a huge diiference betwee the two types of illegals.

if they want better life come on green cards as many i know have.
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#188326 - 06/27/10 06:56 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i guess... sorry
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#188327 - 06/28/10 01:26 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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The law is unconstitutional - of course people will file law suits.
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#188329 - 06/28/10 09:21 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
i didn't call you anything.


you call me names all the time
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#188332 - 06/28/10 10:56 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
Originally Posted By: soda
i didn't call you anything.


you call me names all the time


Let's see if we can get an I'm sorry from rob twice on one thread ...on one page of one thread, even. There are so many f^ckers whom I'd like to thank for saying I'm sorry, Ronda, that I just can't count or even name (cbal should be happy) all the sons-a-bitches.

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#188335 - 06/28/10 11:23 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: ævory]
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a sorry from rob would mean nothing to me cuz he never means it

Edited by lazer (06/28/10 11:24 AM)
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#188336 - 06/28/10 11:34 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
a sorry from rob would mean nothing to me cuz he never means it

Are you bothered by his name calling? Honestly?
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#188337 - 06/28/10 12:08 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
a sorry from rob would mean nothing to me cuz he never means it

Are you bothered by his name calling? Honestly?


what does that matter?

so its ok to attack, be cruel, name call anyone as long as it dont bother them flix?

kinda lame reply..........
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#188338 - 06/28/10 12:29 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

so its ok to attack, be cruel, name call anyone as long as it dont bother them flix?

I didn't say that. I just am curious if name calling really bothers you?
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#188341 - 06/28/10 12:59 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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rob bothers me, period.....

he is the most useless poster on new mob
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#188346 - 06/28/10 01:16 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Do you consider calling someone 'useless' name calling?
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#188349 - 06/28/10 01:26 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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no, his posts are useless to me

quit trying to egg me on flix, u know damn well what im talking about

rob does it all the time, so dont get all high and mightyn flix about someone who gets pushed to far and says something

as far as im concerned, i could call rob names all day for 3 months and it might just equal out over the years

robs barely as exciting as a bedsore......
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#188350 - 06/28/10 01:44 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

quit trying to egg me on flix, u know damn well what im talking about

lol...just checking to see where you are coming from.

Another curious question... Do you think it is ethical for people to live together, rather than marry, in order to retain benefits?
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#188352 - 06/28/10 01:55 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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yup..... cuz who defines love

questions for u..........

is it ethical to stay in a loveless marriage?

is it ethical to marry cuz u have a kid but no love?

is it ethical to have sex with others if u are separated in marriage?

if a man and woman break up, and either one has sex with someone else within a week, u think that person has a right to be pissed?

do u think its ethical for a 50/50 split in divorce even if 1 really outshines the other?


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#188357 - 06/28/10 02:36 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
yup..... cuz who defines love

What does love have to do with it?
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is it ethical to stay in a loveless marriage?

If both people are content with the relationship.
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is it ethical to marry cuz u have a kid but no love?

No.
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is it ethical to have sex with others if u are separated in marriage?

Legal separation, yes.
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if a man and woman break up, and either one has sex with someone else within a week, u think that person has a right to be pissed?

No.
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do u think its ethical for a 50/50 split in divorce even if 1 really outshines the other?

That's a case-by-case decision.


Edited by flicka (06/28/10 02:37 PM)
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#188358 - 06/28/10 02:49 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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you said whats love got to do with it

i agree.....

so why would anyone get married legally? esp if they lose benefits

so, if u kick your hubby out, arriage over, both want a divorce, its wrong if they have sex even if not legally seperated?

i have no doubt typical women say yes, but guys think diff..... although they wont tell u to your face, lol........when its over, verbally or on paper, the hunt is on, lol


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#188359 - 06/28/10 02:52 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

so why would anyone get married legally? esp if they lose benefits

Because they want to make that commitment to one another.


Edited by flicka (06/28/10 06:22 PM)
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#188360 - 06/28/10 02:55 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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lmao...just love it when pot (lazy) whines abt be called black by the kettle (rob). Lazy slings it as much or more than anyone here then hides behind his memo. So it's ok for lazy to object to rob's opinion, but lazy gets a pass when he steps on his dick.
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#188361 - 06/28/10 03:05 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: shakey56]
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
lmao...just love it when pot (lazy) whines abt be called black by the kettle (rob). Lazy slings it as much or more than anyone here then hides behind his memo. So it's ok for lazy to object to rob's opinion, but lazy gets a pass when he steps on his dick.


if u think thats true, you just lie...... i defy you to prove it.....

where have i ever been mean and cruel? where have i ever attacked anyone who didnt push me to the limit?

shake just bold faced lied to u all, and u believe what he says?

the only reason u dont like me is cuz u disagree with my open point blank no sugar coating opinions...... and that just shows me you know nothing about whats said........

instead of shakes saying i disagree with u, he lunges at me like my words are taken as gospel by everyone and instead of explaining or proving wrong, he just throws out insults

ever notice how shakey attacks every chance? proves what a bitter grudge holding liar he is....... he kisses ass to those he likes and disagrees with, but attacks and name calls with pure insults to those he doesnt like,...... think about it, thats how backstabbers are in private

if i said the flag is red white and blue, shakes moronic mind would say, the canadian flag is not

if his family was dying and i held he cure, hed prob let them die, hehe......

all shakes does is push, bait and attack, then say, well, he got mad and said....

thats a forum loser to me



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#188362 - 06/28/10 03:38 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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lol...thanks for proving my point.
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#188363 - 06/28/10 03:48 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: shakey56]
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lol...thanks for proving my point.


great, i was hoping youd say that shakes

proves your point how? proves u can piss people off and they got upset? proves u can push people buttons? proves u can push people to the limit? CONGRATULATIONS SHAKES, YOUR RIGHT! u should be proud..

see, shakes attacks and baits, prove nothing about his lies, then says see, he got upset

proves my point....... really think about that


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#188364 - 06/28/10 03:52 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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lol...thinking is not your strong suit. oh and by the way I didn't attack you. I just stated my opinion like you do so often.
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#188365 - 06/28/10 04:01 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: shakey56]
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an opinion has to be based on info known to that person, and u have nothing except stuff u makeup in spite
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#188369 - 06/28/10 04:38 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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Fortunately for you since so many of yours are pulled out of your ass that is not true.

An opinion is a subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts. An opinion may be supported by an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts. Opinions rarely change without new arguments being presented. However, it can be reasoned that one opinion is better supported by the facts than another by analysing the supporting arguments.[1]

An opinion may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. In casual use, the term opinion may refer to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs.

Now see, that was an opinion :p

I'm not going to waste my time digging up your posts to support my opinion since anything I did dig up would not change your misguided opinion.
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#188370 - 06/28/10 04:46 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: shakey56]
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typical web board sidestepping to avoid a issue they lied about

fair enough
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#188371 - 06/28/10 04:48 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: shakey56]
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58% of the people polled by abc support the arizona law!
75$ think we're not doing enough to keep ILLEGALS out(notice i have nott mentioned race once in this thread, until now)
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm


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#188372 - 06/28/10 05:00 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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This is kind of screwy. From the same poll:
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"Regardless of what you think about the Arizona law, immigration currently is regulated by federal law enforced by the federal government. In general, do you think STATES should be allowed to make and enforce their own immigration laws, or should this be left to FEDERAL jurisdiction?"


6/3-6/10-- States Federal Unsure
-------------- 46%.....52%.....1%

Even though a majority support the AZ law, a majority still thinks the Feds shoud be in charge.
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#188373 - 06/28/10 05:00 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i cant say who does what to whom for the most part. but in this thread rob was the one that started to namr call. i'm not condoning lazes c allling rob names either. shakes you only 'scolded' laze. laze does have a fact, rob name calls often.
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#188374 - 06/28/10 05:04 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
This is kind of screwy. From the same poll:
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"Regardless of what you think about the Arizona law, immigration currently is regulated by federal law enforced by the federal government. In general, do you think STATES should be allowed to make and enforce their own immigration laws, or should this be left to FEDERAL jurisdiction?"


6/3-6/10-- States Federal Unsure
-------------- 46%.....52%.....1%

Even though a majority support the AZ law, a majority still thinks the Feds shoud be in charge.




i know that, i think it should b federal also, however, the federal gov. hasnt and isnt doing anything. so, i say let the states set up laws as they and they constituents 'we the people' see fit.
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#188375 - 06/28/10 05:13 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I don't have a problem with that. From what I've read it is pretty much the same wording as the Fed. law. This battle seems to be a jurisdiction/power struggle. I don't know how the states plan to pay for some of their needs, nor where this would leave the responsibility of the Border Patrol, but I don't have a problem with this particular law.
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#188377 - 06/28/10 05:28 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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WELL, YOU and i are in support of the same thing then, right?

as for the border patrol i say bring our boys n girls home from iraq and let them patrol the borders... just an idea
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#188379 - 06/28/10 05:48 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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WELL, YOU and i are in support of the same thing then, right?

Maybe...lol

I'm not crazy about states' having completely separate laws from the Feds for the most part. Kind of like the medical marijuana law here. It causes chaos, confusion, & cash. I'm not sure why there is this conflict between the Feds & Az as they are basically in agreement.

Also, I don't have a problem with the law because I have NEVER encountered a cop who didn't ask for my ID.

I think having those drones patrol the entire border is the best idea yet. If those suckers can zero in on terrorists riding camels, they're bound to improve border security.
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#188380 - 06/28/10 05:59 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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so, if u kick your hubby out, arriage over, both want a divorce, its wrong if they have sex even if not legally seperated?

No, sorry I didn't see this edit. I meant 'legally' as opposed to physically. Like if one, or the other is on vacation, or in the military overseas.

Hell no!

I was on the prowl the night I left my last husband.
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#188381 - 06/28/10 06:39 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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HELL, I WAS ASKED FOR ID BOTH TIMES A COP STOPPED ME.. I WAS JUST TOOLING DOWN THE SIDEWALKS.... UN OH, ARE THEY PROFILING WHITE CRIPPLES LOL
oops caplock
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#188382 - 06/28/10 07:23 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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UN OH, ARE THEY PROFILING WHITE CRIPPLES LOL
oops caplock

Sorry, JB. Look in the mirror. I don't know that 'they' would recognize your race upon first glance.

Only twice? You're damn near a virgin!
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#188383 - 06/28/10 07:47 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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lol i know. i am darker than some of my black and hispanic friends.

yes, only twice and i've been riding these streets 4 22 years... before curb cuts. i went to school with the capt., steve, the major, earll, use to b a stock boy for me, went to college with the capt. rob. i knew all the police from school or just being around town so much. i worked at 3 different winn dixies... different areas of leeburg.... so, i got away with alot lol

dont know the new cops... been stopped twice in 2 yrs by newbies lol
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#188384 - 06/28/10 08:19 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i knew all the police from school or just being around town so much. i worked at 3 different winn dixies... different areas of leeburg.... so, i got away with alot lol

My first speeding ticket was given to me by a guy who'd been in my graduating high school class. (fffucker!lol) I was going 75 in a 55mph! He said, "Yes, I know this used to be out of 'city' limits." No law enforcement bothered to patrol our rural roads back in my early years. The only time they showed was when called, or someone had an accident.

I've had law enforcement visit my home 3 times in the past 2 years.

Maybe I just hate change.

When I was young it was more important.
Pain more painful, the laughter much louder, yeah.
When I was young.


Our town went from around 7,000 in 1970 (year I graduated) to over 30,000 today. Bill mentioned today that when he first came to live with me in 1984, town was 10 miles away. Now, it's 7! We're screwed.


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#188391 - 06/29/10 12:32 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: flicka]
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i never got a any type of ticket in this area. they wouldstop me for speeding, running stop signs etc, but never got a ticket in this area. got my 1st speeding ticket coming home from daytona.

i kknow what you mean. our town has been exploding at the seams for yrs.
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#188406 - 06/29/10 06:48 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i cant say who does what to whom for the most part. but in this thread rob was the one that started to namr call. i'm not condoning lazes c allling rob names either. shakes you only 'scolded' laze. laze does have a fact, rob name calls often.


I only called lazy on his whining. He objected to my saying he slings it. Sling it all you want. Just don't whine when it comes back at ya.
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#188410 - 06/29/10 07:08 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: lazer]
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a sorry from rob would mean nothing to me cuz he never means it

that's because almost all your opinions are ignorant. and i just know you eat your own boogers--i just know you do.
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#188444 - 06/30/10 03:49 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigration [Re: Skylark]
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My "extended family" lives in California and Arizona (and the DC area and NYC).

We are all US citizens.

We are Americans, of Mexican heritage.

But we all have two things in common: (1) compassion for our fellow man, and (2) acknowledgement that those who enter the country without documentation are here illegally.

Most illegal immigrants are just quiet people who want a better life than what they left behind, and are not a menace to society. So those who rant about them as though they were no different from hardened, violent criminals simply baffle me...




Yes, compassion should spread like wildfire amongst people. In otherwords, no reason to bogart it:

Arizona’s compassionate new law 1 Comment

We have poached this letter from Mark Steyn’s website. It was sent to him by Linda Denno, of Sierra Vista, Arizona. We think it raises points that should be taken into account in the arguments raging over illegal immigration, and over the controversial measures Arizona is taking to deal with it.

I live within fifteen miles of the Mexican border, and my back fence runs along a major corridor for illegal immigrants traveling through the desert. We are accustomed to helicopters circling overhead and Border Patrol vehicles constantly patrolling the dirt road behind our house. Our beloved German Shepherd has been poisoned and our property vandalized, although I would not say that we live in fear because we are well armed and take necessary precautions.

But what I really want to mention to you is something I really have not heard in the debate over the consequences of illegal immigration. I believe that any and all measures that truly discourage immigrants from entering this country illegally — as the new Arizona law is supposedly already doing — are salutary because discouraging illegal immigration is the genuinely compassionate approach.

A couple of anecdotes: Last week, Border Patrol agents discovered a large moving truck abandoned in the desert near Douglas, Arizona (the site of the recent rancher’s murder). The truck was padlocked from the outside. When the agents cut off the lock and opened the trailer, they discovered dozens of illegal immigrants inside, abandoned by the coyotes who had obviously been “spooked” and left the people in the back of the truck to whatever fate befell them. It was a warm but not a hot day in the desert, so the illegal immigrants were still alive and in relatively good condition. The situation could have ended very differently, not to say tragically.

Secondly, my family and I were enjoying our breakfast al fresco one morning when two women came to our back fence asking for “agua.” A Border Patrol raid the night before behind our house had picked up 70 or so illegal immigrants. These two young ladies had been abandoned by the coyotes during the raid and had been wandering in the hot desert (wearing all black) for hours. My teenage daughter speaks Spanish and was able to discover that both were from El Salvador, both were the mothers of several young children, and both believed they were almost to Los Angeles (550 miles away). We brought them into our garage, gave them water and food, and called the Border Patrol. My daughter was upset about their situation, and understandably so: They were only a few years older than she was. I explained to her that as long as our government refused to enforce laws against illegal immigration, desperate people from other countries would continue to take great risks for the opportunity to live the American dream. Those people would face incredible dangers, be vulnerable to the worst kinds of thugs, and endure unspeakable hardships — as long as the United States refused to make illegal immigration a crime for which all involved would be swiftly and severely punished. …

I just would like to add a perspective that should be thrown back in the face of the hypocrites who call us racist and mean-spirited. The anecdotes above are representative of incidents that happen in the Arizona desert constantly …

The answer is not to set up “water stations” to prevent illegals from dying in the desert. The answer is to discourage them from entering illegally in the first place. That is the only truly humanitarian, compassionate approach to the plight of illegal aliens.

We heartily agree.

http://www.theatheistconservative.com/category/latin-america/

not to be redundant or anything, but:

"I just would like to add a perspective that should be thrown back in the face of the hypocrites who call us racist and mean-spirited. The anecdotes above are representative of incidents that happen in the Arizona desert constantly …"

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#188445 - 06/30/10 03:50 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: soda]
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and i just know you eat your own boogers--i just know you do.


Boghart ate His own.

edit: need i explain?


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#188448 - 06/30/10 04:43 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: ævory]
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I explained to her that as long as our government refused to enforce laws against illegal immigration, desperate people from other countries would continue to take great risks for the opportunity to live the American dream.

Yet...
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I live within fifteen miles of the Mexican border, and my back fence runs along a major corridor for illegal immigrants traveling through the desert. We are accustomed to helicopters circling overhead and Border Patrol vehicles constantly patrolling the dirt road behind our house.

and
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A Border Patrol raid the night before behind our house had picked up 70 or so illegal immigrants.
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#188452 - 06/30/10 05:24 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
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Those people would face incredible dangers, be vulnerable to the worst kinds of thugs, and endure unspeakable hardships — as long as the United States refused to make illegal immigration a crime for which all involved would be swiftly and severely punished. …


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#188454 - 06/30/10 05:33 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
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from http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/28/police-state-how-mexico-treats-illegal-aliens/....:

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing — a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:
Hipócritas.

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#188458 - 06/30/10 05:53 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Johnboy 64]
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...as long as the United States refused to make illegal immigration a crime for which all involved would be swiftly and severely punished. …

What kind of punishment should we give these illegals?
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#188460 - 06/30/10 05:56 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
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#188463 - 06/30/10 06:22 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
...as long as the United States refused to make illegal immigration a crime for which all involved would be swiftly and severely punished. …

What kind of punishment should we give these illegals?


kust deport them... severrly fine possibly jail time for those hiring or renting homes to illegals. no more 'anchor' babies
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#188465 - 06/30/10 06:46 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Johnboy 64]
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no more 'anchor' babies

I agree with this. It's wrong anyway you view it.

We do deport thousands upon thousands each year. Source.
I can't see giving them jail time. We spend too much on incarceration of illegals already. (at least in CA)

I agree we need to crack down hard on those who hire, or rent, to illegal residents. Remove the incentive. It's the only way to stop it.
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#188466 - 06/30/10 06:53 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
no more 'anchor' babies

I agree with this. It's wrong anyway you view it.

We do deport thousands upon thousands each year. Source.
I can't see giving them jail time. We spend too much on incarceration of illegals already. (at least in CA)

I agree we need to crack down hard on those who hire, or rent, to illegal residents. Remove the incentive. It's the only way to stop it.


NO No, you mmisunderstood me, deport the illegals and their babies. fines and or jail time for employees or landlords.

i know we deport thousands, but there are millions here. i know about illegals in jail... just watch news geesh


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#188495 - 07/01/10 01:06 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I have a problem with deporting people who have been here for years & years without causing any problems. That is why I think it better to bust employers & landlords. Families with no work will leave. Bill used to work for a company that hired illegals. He said a couple of times workers got deported and were back at work within a couple of weeks.
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#188576 - 07/03/10 03:52 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
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#188659 - 07/07/10 12:23 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: shakey56]
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There is no way we can deport all illegals and probably a great many of them are much better folks than some American citizens and much harder workers. We have some pretty scrungey citizens that it is too bad we can't deport! Yes I know there are some pretty scrungey illegals also. Too bad we are such righteous people and allow violent criminal scum suckers and killers to live among us. The Red Chinese just went through and executed all their drug addicts, sellers and users and cleaned up that problem quickly. At least that is what I have heard. Some rotten people cannot be saved! Sorry if I don't sound very christian like but innocent people are mutilated and destroyed every day by these wicked people. Yes give them a quick and fair jury trial then hang them. Don't get me wrong I am not talking about Mexican illegals here unless they are amongst the filthy scum suckers of the world! Race does not even enter into this. Wicked hearts that destroy good people are the reason for eradication.
Sorry for this vent!
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#188666 - 07/07/10 09:28 AM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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The Mexican Government has zero credibility. To me, their opinion means nothing. We have every right to know who is here in the US, and why.
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#188672 - 07/07/10 12:02 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: corlorde]
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Absolutely, colorde.
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#188673 - 07/07/10 12:04 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
There is no way we can deport all illegals and probably a great many of them are much better folks than some American citizens and much harder workers. Sorry for this vent!
Paul


that could be, but mexicans are on the news alot regarding crime and drugs and gangs

cops say there is alot of crimes daily by mexicans that dont make news
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#188676 - 07/07/10 01:24 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: lazer]
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I know Lazer and that is the bunch we need to rid America of, a lot of gang activity from people of many countries causing those problems. I think Brazil, Puerto Rico , Mexico and such.
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#188691 - 07/07/10 02:35 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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LOL PUERTO RICO IS PART OF THE u.s
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#188700 - 07/07/10 04:31 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Johnboy 64]
Paulwa_dup1
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A possession I think but not a state, Johnboy and definately not part of our continent.

Edited by Paulwa_dup1 (07/07/10 04:32 PM)

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#188705 - 07/07/10 05:12 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka
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But we maintain an open border with them.
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#188707 - 07/07/10 05:16 PM Re: mexican government joins fight against immigra [Re: flicka]
Greg
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Let's see how long the borden stays open as Mexico becomes a narco state
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