#187041 - 05/20/10 01:40 PM
Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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jbpara
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ROBERT SIEGEL, National Public Radio: You've said the ADA was an overreach by the federal government. But it's been one of the major developments in American history in the course of your life. I mean, do you think the '64 Civil Rights Act or the ADA for that matter were just overreaches and that business shouldn't be bothered by people with the basis in law to sue them for redress?
PAUL: Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally. For example, I think that we should try to do everything we can to allow for people with disabilities and handicaps. You know, we do it in our office with wheelchair ramps and things like that. I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who's handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator. And I think when you get to the solutions like that, the more local the better, and the more common sense the decisions are, rather than having a federal government make those decisions.
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#187046 - 05/20/10 01:53 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Greg
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Rand was also against the ruling against Woolworth's for segregated lunch counters.
Got to love that Tea Party logic. Palin and Paulwa should be happy with this candidate, that is as long as they DON'T lose THEIR entitlements. LMAO
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#187051 - 05/20/10 02:37 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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YosemiteSam
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Rand was also against the ruling against Woolworth's for segregated lunch counters.
Got to love that Tea Party logic. Palin and Paulwa should be happy with this candidate, that is as long as they DON'T lose THEIR entitlements. LMAO
Paul got support from what Greg calls the Tea Party. Should Obama be responsible for the "logic" of all of the groups that supported him? Or should everyone who supported him be responsible for the positions he has advocated since he took office?
Edited by YosemiteSam (05/20/10 04:08 PM)
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#187053 - 05/20/10 05:01 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Greg
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Rand just like Obama should be held accountable for their positions irrespective of what an independent group advocates.
Rand Paul's positions do not fully support ADA guidelines nor even certain Civil Rights.
Unlike the often vague ramblings of the Tea Party at least Paul is specific about how he plans on having less gov't "interference".
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#187057 - 05/20/10 06:35 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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YosemiteSam
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PAUL: "Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally. For example, I think that we should try to do everything we can to allow for people with disabilities and handicaps. You know, we do it in our office with wheelchair ramps and things like that. I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who's handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator. And I think when you get to the solutions like that, the more local the better, and the more common sense the decisions are, rather than having a federal government make those decisions."
I agree with the example cited above by Dr. Paul. I have been in the exact situation. I had an office on the second floor of a retail (downstairs)/office (upstairs) building. When I could no longer get to the second floor, I was faced with the choice to put an elevator in or move out. The elevator option was more than $100k due to architectural considerations. As the owner of the building, I couldn't justify the cost so I moved out.
I'm glad it was me and not an employee in one of the other twelve offices. I decided not to sue myself under the ADA, but who knows the outcome if it was another tenant.
What would have been the outcome under the Canadians With Disabilities Act, Greg? Is there such a law?
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#187063 - 05/20/10 07:18 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Navigator
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This guy is going to being some important points up for people to examine in the nest election. He doesnt stand a chance as he is too extreme but it will be nice to see his points deconstructed.
I cannot imagine an employee saying 'no i dont want an office on the ground floor i want the company i work for to spend $ for an office on the 2nd floor'. The ADA is reasonable and allows some wiggleroom. The main point is federal regulation. Some believe we need the goverment to regulate to try and keeps things even for the regular guy while other people feel the federal government is bunk and we need to let states and the market place govern. I see the federal government has taken a lot of our rights these last 10 years but I also see we need some regulation because a company is there to please its stock brokers not the common person.
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#187064 - 05/20/10 07:53 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Greg
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I decided not to sue myself under the ADA, but who knows the outcome if it was another tenant. What would have been the outcome under the Canadians With Disabilities Act, Greg? Is there such a law?
We don't have a special law to seperate out disabled persons. In Canada it is covered as part of the Canada Human Rights Act. You see our approach is based on anti-discrmnatory practices, reasonable accomodation and undue hardship, constantly updated housing and building code requirements. Not a lot of lawsuits and suing going on, disputes are usually resolved by comissions. It is the Canadian way. That is why I find the US soap opera so amusing.
as a footnote, for myself, access to some older buildings is a challenge sometimes, but almost any building built or retrofitted after 1980 is not a problem.
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#187065 - 05/20/10 09:10 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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shakey56
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lol @ BoB. Nice try, but the ADA would not have applied in your example even for an employee. No requirement for modification unless significant renovation is being done to an existing structure or it's new construction.
Paul is spouting typical libertarian nonsense that has absolutely no practical application. It is thinly veiled bigotry being passed off as local or individual rights.
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#187069 - 05/20/10 10:08 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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flicka
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What honestly amazes me is the complete disconnect here in the US between mandates/laws/building codes with regard to the ADA and prior construction code laws (such as section 504 of the rehab act).
Section 504 was passed in 1973 with the focus of creating access for all people. Yet it was/is very slow in coming. Here in California, Title 24, is a decades old physical access law, but when I first entered the world of advocacy in 1991, local county & city building inspectors hardly knew what a curb cut looked like. I couldn't believe they hadn't learned much, if anything about these laws.
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#187072 - 05/20/10 11:49 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Navigator
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i finally saw the connection, is he named after Ann Rand the Laissez-faire economics looney?
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#187077 - 05/21/10 10:52 AM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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MerryA
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The ADA is civil rights legislation.
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#187084 - 05/21/10 01:34 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Greg
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50% of Rand Paul's patients are on medicare, typical Tea partier logic
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#187086 - 05/21/10 01:59 PM
Re: Dr. Rand Paul, KY Senate candidate, on the ADA
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Skylark
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On Good Morning America today, Paul also steered the conversation toward something more recent, President Obama's criticism of BP following the oil spill. Paul said: "This sort of, you know 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,' I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business."
Paul continued: The President's reaction is "part of this sort of blame game society" where "it's always someone's fault." Paul added: "Maybe sometimes accidents happen."
He will be the gift that keeps on giving.
I mean -- is he SERIOUS?
And yeah, maybe sometimes "accidents" DO happen: Rand Paul winning the primary is Exhibit A.
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