#187028 - 05/20/10 08:31 AM
A question?
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ronniechoate34
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Again, it is illogical to base faith upon the private interpretation of a book. For faith consists in submitting; private interpretation consists in judging. In faith by hearing, the last word rests with the teacher; in private judgment it rests with the reader, who submits the dead text of Scripture to a kind of post-mortem examination and delivers a verdict without appeal: he believes in himself rather than in any higher authority.
http://www.newadvent...then/12495a.htm
Why are these people declaring the divinely inspired Word of God to be a dead thing?
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#187029 - 05/20/10 11:55 AM
Re: A question?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Guess they are dead as that link RonnieC.
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#187040 - 05/20/10 01:27 PM
Re: A question?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Wow you got more reading stamina than I Ronnie. No way I would wade through all that verbiage barrage.
Paul
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#187047 - 05/20/10 01:58 PM
Re: A question?
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ronniechoate34
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That's why I only posted a single paragraph.
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#187049 - 05/20/10 02:00 PM
Re: A question?
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ronniechoate34
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And I agree, they are dead.
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#187052 - 05/20/10 04:17 PM
Re: A question?
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Paulwa_dup1
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Jesus intimated there would be alot of believers in various groups who are dead and that He never knew them. Even some of those of the Jewish faith.
Paul
Edited by Paulwa_dup1 (05/20/10 04:17 PM)
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#187284 - 05/26/10 07:30 PM
Re: A question?
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Paul I
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Belief in a higher authority, IMO, requires belief in one's self and in making the judgment to believe so.
To simply "believe" because one believes or the book says so is, to me, to not believe. It is due to indoctrination of some kind such as being brought up relatively consistently in a religion from
youth, such as strong family practices, religious school, etc. There are dogmatic Catholics, fundamentalists, Islamics, Jews and so on most of whom were raised and made/encouraged to practice that religion.
Edited by Paul I (05/26/10 07:31 PM)
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#187291 - 05/27/10 09:23 AM
Re: A question?
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Religion and spirituality are deeply personal and come down to what resonates for you. If it makes sense to you that a single ancient book contains everything that fulfills your beliefs then so be it. Many others agree, although different books are deemed the ultimate holy revelation throughout the world.
Many other religious groups and individuals instead believe in tapping into the combined wisdom of all of humanity over the ages and incorporating it. IMO as our base of knowledge grows then our understanding of spirituality grows with it.
The approach that makes more sense to each individual dictates the direction they should follow.
Edited by ghoti (05/27/10 09:23 AM)
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#187301 - 05/27/10 04:30 PM
Re: A question?
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Paul I
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One must look at themselves from outside of themselves to possibly ascertain why they believe what they believe. What one is raised with will generally seem to feel correct but is it really?
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#187302 - 05/27/10 05:02 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Paul, that takes care of the intellectual component of religion but the spiritual component is the proof and is only attainable within each of us personally. It isn't just passed along, I think, but must be proved by each indvidual.
Paul
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#187304 - 05/27/10 05:47 PM
Re: A question?
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ghoti
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Paulwa, you would hope that each person makes a deep and personal spiritual investigation before choosing. IMO that's the correct way to find your true beliefs.
From my obserations and discussions many people just attend a given church because that's where friends or family go, and they don't question what is taught there. Or if they do have questions, they keep them to themselves and not make waves.
Peer pressure is enormous, especially from many families and in smaller communities. IMO many people just say they're Christian without any real conviction or introspection because there would be a huge backlash against them otherwise.
I'm sure that's true in any country that has a dominant religion, and always has been.
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#187320 - 05/28/10 12:19 PM
Re: A question?
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ghoti
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Around here the Catholic church is especially strong on applying peer pressure. If you were born Catholic then you'd damned well better stay Catholic, marry a Catholic, and raise your kids Catholic. Anyone who dares deviate from that will incur the wrath of family elders and other members.
I have several friends who are caught up in this exact dilemma, and many other churches place similar pressures on their members. It's very hard to go against your family traditions, and few people have the gumption to do so.
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#187321 - 05/28/10 12:24 PM
Re: A question?
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Paulwa_dup1
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I believe every person follows a way or path, whether he is agnostic, atheist or a believer in some form of laws and rules of life. We all know that path will lead to a point of finality and what that is, is the big question. Reward? Punishment? or just nothing and oblivion? Interesting, eh?:-)
Paul
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#187322 - 05/28/10 12:56 PM
Re: A question?
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ghoti
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We all choose, whether we do it consciously or not. If family and friends have all chosen and strongly follow the same path, it takes a VERY strong person to openly choose a different one.
I know many people who nominally go along with peer pressures but in their hearts aren't really true believers.
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