#187114 - 05/22/10 12:10 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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shakey56
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Jesus murdered? Wasn't there a trial, and wan't he sentenced to death? Even if we stretch and call it murder according to Paulwa God murdered him then.
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#187117 - 05/22/10 06:48 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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ronniechoate34
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The majority of the followers of Islam have no interest in murdering anyone.
Unless someone converted from Islam, or committed some other horrible sin. Like drawing a cartoon that they have judged to be offensive.
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#187118 - 05/22/10 09:06 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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ghoti
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There certainly are fundamentalists in Islam who follow beliefs most the Western world left behind long ago, like using violence toward non-believers, subjectivizing women, shunning much of modern science, abhorring entertainment for it's own sake, etc. They're making a lot of noise these days and are trying to gain control over several countries in the Middle-east so we're very aware of them.
There are also some radical Christians whose beliefs aren't that much different in those areas, but they don't currently control any countries and we aren't at war with them so it's easy to forget that they're out there. They could potentially be just as big a threat to our way of life as the followers of Islam we're fighting if they ever got in charge.
IMO you're making the mistake of assuming it's their religion that's at fault rather than their extremist interpretation of that religion. There are 100's of millions of followers of Islam around the world who follow a modern lifestyle and have no interest in practicing violence toward others, so that pretty much proves that it isn't the faith that's causing the problem.
The Bible can be a book that brings love for others and peacefulness or hatred and violence depending on which passages you tend to take as the central part of your creed, and the same is true for the Koran and most other holy books. We are threatened and at war with extremists who happen to use the Koran, not with Islam in general.
Don't make the mistake this this proves Christianity is necessarily a more peaceful religion than Islam.
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#187120 - 05/22/10 01:13 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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Jesus of Hs own free will and because His Father asked Him too, took on all the sins of mankind and allowed Himself to become the maximum blood sacrifice for all of mankind who would accept Jesus sacrifice and would there fore fall under Gods pardon for their sins. Not for anything they had done, as it was only Jesus blood that bought their forgiveness. No man killed Jesus, nor did God the Father, Jesus gave all by His own will.
In my opinion the Bible when sifted down tyo finality is a book of peace. The Koran under the same rules sifts down to a book of violence in that a person who refuses Islam can be put to death immediately. No where in the bible is this rule to be found ghoti so you better do some more thinking. The Catholics did not follow Gods word when they murdered legions of protestants in the dark ages. Islam if they follow their Koran would murder any refusing unbeliever. You cannot dispute this.
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#187157 - 05/22/10 09:35 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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ghoti
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There are plenty of passages in the Bible that condone murder. The Israelites we told to exterminate entire populations because they followed a different god, children who disobey their parents and adulterous women and false propjets are all supposed to be stoned to death, etc.
If someone used those passages as the sole basis of their creed they could justify a tremendous amount f violence and murder and claim to be doing it in the name of god.
Edited by ghoti (05/22/10 09:51 PM)
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#187160 - 05/23/10 03:31 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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At least radical christianity doesn't go around killing unbelievers...with the exceptionof the occassional crazy who shoots an abortionist.
Paul
I don't think the KKK or gay-bashers got your memo. Or as you say, the "Christians" who kill doctors and nurses.
Edited by MerryA (05/23/10 03:32 AM)
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#187162 - 05/23/10 05:44 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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It seems that some people know so little about true Christianity that they also can't pick out a true Christian from one that isn't following the truth.
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#187166 - 05/23/10 09:10 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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Who gets to to decide which person is a "true" Christian?
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#187167 - 05/23/10 01:04 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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ronniechoate34
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The Word.
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#187169 - 05/23/10 01:10 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Amen to that.
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#187170 - 05/23/10 03:18 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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Which means that a Christian cannot visually judge who is Christian & who is not. Some of us may believe we have direct knowledge of how Christ will judge others, but we don't.
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#187171 - 05/23/10 03:38 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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Paulwa_dup1
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Flicka's right, one more time! :-)
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#187200 - 05/24/10 07:02 AM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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ronniechoate34
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Which means that a Christian cannot visually judge who is Christian & who is not. Some of us may believe we have direct knowledge of how Christ will judge others, but we don't.
While we can't know a person's heart or their final destination we can certainly judge their position based on where they are in the Word of God. I judge myself based by the exact same standard, and I usually fall short. Praise God for the Power of The Blood of Jesus Christ. God provided a lamb for us all. Hallelujah.
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#187207 - 05/24/10 01:37 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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Paulwa_dup1
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And once again Ronnie is right on.
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#187209 - 05/24/10 01:44 PM
Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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I judge myself based by the exact same standard, and I usually fall short.
But, does it mean you are not a "true" Christian? Of course not. The best we can do is to follow our own path and be true to ourselves, no matter what path others may take.
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