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#186956 - 05/18/10 05:43 PM Madeline Murray 'O'hare
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I was watching a bio on her on the Bio Network this a.m. and saw video of her in an everyday situation chatting with family, etc. She seemed pretty likable and normal. In retrospect one can see her campaign to separate church and state as pretty reasonable. The program went on to report on her death, etc.

Were she alive today I would expect the conservative Republicans to embrace her beliefs as they further extend the concept of getting government out of our lives. Somehow, that wouldn't happen.
So which way do Teabaggers and their like want it?
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#186968 - 05/18/10 08:35 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: Paul I]
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IMO the Teabaggers want the government out of their lives except for the parts that benefit them. A large number of them are on social security and Medicare and you won't see them hollering to abolish those things.
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#186973 - 05/19/10 09:27 AM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ghoti]
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Most of my family considers O'hare in league with the devil. I agree on separation of church and state. I think she was extremely brave for taking the stand she did. It is probably what killed her.

It seems to me that most Tea Partiers are white conservative Christians - they want a state religion as long as it is their religion.
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#186976 - 05/19/10 11:22 AM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: MerryA]
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William Murray, the son of the O'hare woman is a preacher now and has publicly testified to some of the awful and blasphemous things that this blasphemous and vulgar woman did. I don't appreciate anything that this woman did for any citizen of America and much less for her own house hold.


Her son being saved and turning his life around and accepting the truth is a testament to of God's glory.


The fact that she was killed by one of the many evil people she liked to surround herself with is also a testament. It's a testimony about the judgment of God. The way those people were discovered, in pieces,,,,that's horrific.


Plus they found the first body by the Trinity River.

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#187017 - 05/19/10 09:19 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ronniechoate34]
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She had a large impact on the refinement of the need we have for the separation of church and state. Without it we would most like be officially a Christian country with untold consequences regarding worldwide religious conflict.
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#187031 - 05/20/10 12:01 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: Paul I]
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and she was dead wrong because the trouble we are having with our country right now is because we have removed faith in God from our government and peoples openly living it at any place or time,our laws won't work without a faith based people.
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#187067 - 05/20/10 09:35 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Does this mean all faiths or just those you approve of?
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#187070 - 05/20/10 10:34 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: Paul I]
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Just faith in the God of the bible as far as I am concerned.
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#187073 - 05/21/10 06:25 AM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Well, our constitution says nothing about the Bible or any specific religious belief. Freedom of religion has to include the freedom to have no religion at all.

Personally I find any attempt to force your beliefs on others to be obnoxious. I disagreed with some of the militancy of her approach, but radical christians are the worst offenders in this country.
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#187079 - 05/21/10 11:22 AM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ghoti]
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Nope I'd say radcal Islam is much worse, Ghoti! And we do have them here in good old America..they keep creeping out of the woodwork. At least radical christianity doesn't go around killing unbelievers...with the exceptionof the occassional crazy who shoots an abortionist.
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#187085 - 05/21/10 01:47 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Amen to that Paul.
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#187087 - 05/21/10 03:10 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ronniechoate34]
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But they used to in the past, and judging by somme of the rhetoric from the extreme elements if Christiabity were ever declared the state religion of the US it might just happen again. Whenever and wherever religious intolerance is allowed to ddominate a society violence will follow.

History has shown that over and over many times in the past.
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#187096 - 05/21/10 05:42 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ghoti]
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What about Islamic law? It's brutal. Jesus didn't teach us to be like that. And oddly enough, He himself was brutally murdered.


Jesus Christ overcame that pesky situation and came out on top, bar none. Hallelujah!

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#187112 - 05/21/10 09:50 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ronniechoate34]
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The majority of the followers of Islam have no interest in murdering anyone. Radical extremists of ANY religion who believe in spreading their faith by force are extremely dangerous people.

Edited by ghoti (05/22/10 12:42 AM)
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#187113 - 05/21/10 10:13 PM Re: Madeline Murray 'O'hare [Re: ghoti]
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And the first thing radical religious extremists do is ignore or violate many of the beliefs of their own religion. In that sense they are not even religious extremists; just mentally ill people.
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