#186827 - 05/13/10 12:35 PM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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ghoti
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#186831 - 05/13/10 01:39 PM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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ævory
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ha! for some reason i just hear voices of the past here: we don't need so and so here...we can make the board a fun place w/o em..you try and give em too much credit; there are actually many examples laying around to blast that idea out the window. And then there is flicka's recent post when yacking about wabi's banning or some such event ---"I come to the political forum cus it's fun to talk politics. And tell me, who's really learned anything or changed their minds in all these years of political talk?"
Shouldn't it be like...i dunno...a bunch of gals who are really into cosmetics, if they had a beauty forum then it wouldn't matter if there were some members who left because they had different views about mascara, or lipstick..the rest could still talk about cosmetics and enjoy themselves. If you like politics..or religion...shouldn't ya'll be having kittens right about now? I mean, Obama is your man...obama is doing something daily that you could get on board with...Or is everything he does a bust in your eyes and you just don't want to admit you voted for the wrong man? yas should enjoy yacking about it, right?, but...nope, gonna shut right down, nada to say, maybe a burp now and then. Face it, what you put your energies into and what you enjoyed/enjoy...is....the ones you kill. They are all killed off.
Such a joke, really...flicka, ghoti...cannot you even remember what you've written on this board? there are the posts saying how you enjoy politics..that for you, you came here because you actually enjoy talking politics (yet you couldn't adjust your eyes to give another the same benefit of the doubt..or the same position as you give yourself). Instead, you guys say that someone has f^cked around with you..and it's time to end it. huh? Then there is the "well, he/she gave as well as she got" HA! again, it is ok to rationalize it that way for yourself...but, if you'd do onto others as you Do upon yourself...meaning, if you feel that you were just having fun, then why is another a so-called troublemaker, yada yada?
ah well...it's all disgusting, yas are gonna have an answer for everything. you always do.
You know, this is not the place for history to stick around (like PQ where no post is deleted) but,...funny as all HELL when I read over at pq that paradude left here because nm just didn't stimulate him anymore...there really wasn't enough to keep him interested here. what a loooooad. what a loonie thing to say. His behavior, his typical dicking around with people here, it was not reciprocated by me, and not reciprocated in the same manner for quite some time here, by others. And THAT is why he lost interest. Why do you think I..for one, didn't reciprocate his usual bullshit? it is because i was interested in politics and i wanted to learn and i wanted to be TAKEN SERIOUSLY...i knew/know how things have been done to me, and i knew if i joked around and such, that he and plenty more of you hypocrites would run with it...you'd run with what i said and 'create' a joke of me. Yas Needed someone to have 'fun' with. It's exActly what was done to mic and then,..when she gave up trying to post something she believed in for all the stupid dicking her around, she'd maybe reciprocate some bullshit back, well then it was HER being her 'typical self' that you understand so well from the past...from history here. Ya get people to turn ugly and then ya cry about it and have a situation you've created that gives ya the comfort of 'going after them'.
Yas Can't even be honest. ...oh, welp! goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood luck, here! Maybe this will give you reason to prove me wrong. lol, ...
Edited by ævory (05/13/10 01:40 PM)
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#186836 - 05/13/10 02:31 PM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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flicka
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...you'd run with what i said and 'create' a joke of me.
When have I ever done that to you, Ronda?
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#186844 - 05/13/10 07:33 PM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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ghoti
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When exactly have Flicka or I ever said that anyone should leave this board? I enjoyed bantering with Wabi and many others here and didn't want anyone to leave. Nobody but YOU has ever told me to leave here and "go back to PQ where you belong" but I don't let that influence me at all, LOL.
People with very strong opinions often post here. If someone is going to do that then they'd better be prepared to defend those opinions. If they choose to leave instead of doing that when someone questions them then it's their choice.
Michele has left and returned back to this board a number of times over the years. I've been involved in many discussions with her and never told her to leave. She has said several times in the past that she loves to post outrageous things just to piss people off so she can laugh about the reactions, so it's hard to know for sure when she's doing that or sincere.
You and others need to read my signature line, since that's always been the way things are around here.
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#186846 - 05/13/10 08:40 PM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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Paulwa_dup1
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I ain't too feisty so guess that leaves PachyDerm skin with a bullhead skull as the only answer to my longevity! :-)
Paul
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#186848 - 05/14/10 04:37 AM
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ævory
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I sure as heck don't buy the cover from either of ya and so I sure as heck don't wanna buy the book. Thanks, but I guess it's all in the eye of the beerholder, anyway. By the way, I have held back my tongue on your signature line doing a double take look back on yourself, ghoti, many a time.   See...I got resolve. Plenty of it. You've not Even touched the planet I've lived on around here with your controversy signature bull and just to touch upon one measly reason why is that when you got other people's heads up your butt kissin it at every corner of contraversy you find yourself in, I don't call that 'feisty'...I call it taken care of. But.......that's history down the tubes too cus as I said, the postings of past don't stick around here. History has to remake itself and not too accurately, I might add.
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#186849 - 05/14/10 04:39 AM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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ævory
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I ain't too feisty so guess that leaves PachyDerm skin with a bullhead skull as the only answer to my longevity! :-)
Paul
Ahh, you got more feistiness in you than a bottle of fizz, Paul. You've just been tromped on, your spirit has recently been tromped on around here. It's "rediculous" but it's what it is.
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#186851 - 05/14/10 05:11 AM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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ævory
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Wabi will arise again here like the phoenix, sometimes you have to be burned to ashes before you can renew yourself.
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#186852 - 05/14/10 08:27 AM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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ghoti
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Ronda, there isn't a single person posting here in the religion forum who totally agrees with my views, but that's fine by me. I believe in a creator, as most others posting here do, but that's about all I have in common with them.
IMO the creator is much more a force than a person, and is responsible for the universe coming into being and setting up the rules that we think of as "laws of nature". Also IMO most religions tend to "personalize" this force by putting a human face to him/her/it because we find that more comforting and understandable, but that limits our understanding.
If you or anyone else wants to disagree or dispute those views, please feel free to have at it. Many have in the past. I neither need or want the support of others in defending my position, but I always enjoy a rousing but civil discussion.
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#186856 - 05/14/10 10:49 AM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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flicka
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Wabi will arise again here like the phoenix, sometimes you have to be burned to ashes before you can renew yourself.
He torched himself. Wab is responsible for killing himself off.
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#186857 - 05/14/10 10:55 AM
Re: If there is a Creation...
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flicka
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History has to remake itself and not too accurately, I might add.
Why is it necessary to remake it?
Let the dead bury the dead.
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#186859 - 05/14/10 11:28 AM
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Paulwa_dup1
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and let the living raise the living!! :-)
Paul
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#186889 - 05/15/10 01:05 PM
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Paul I
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"then there MUST be a Creator."
Because something is created it need not have a creator that fulfills our concept of what a creator must be. The creator could be a process such as the laws of matter and energy as we know them and many that we probably haven't discovered yet. Perhaps the creation is actually the destruction of what exists but we just haven't finished it yet. Perhaps the Big Bang was the culmination of a process that was a result of the destruction of a prior universe. So maybe creation/destruction is a circular process with no beginning and no end, ever.
Perhaps destruction is our human view of what is actually creation. Can we conceive of time as having no beginning and no end? and if time changes as we approach the speed of light what is time anyway? We tend to think of time as a series of events placed along a linear trajectory. Yet we know time is a continuous "movement". Maybe there was no creator. Maybe what is simply is. Since there is no proof for or against a creator
maybe it is something that we created to explain something otherwise unexplainable.
We could not have come from an amoeba or ape because it is impossible to have evolved from something that exists now.We could have common ancestors.
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#186892 - 05/15/10 04:59 PM
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ævory
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Thank you for the read. Is it how you really feel? Or you are being thoughtful of all? Don't you feel God, Paul or talk to him, etc? I do believe time has no beginning and no end but that He has been here always, so He knows the beginning of His desire to create. And it isn't really important that we know when it all began. God promises the afterlife and for that I live and relive and will live entirely new again after the time of my ended earthly days.
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#186894 - 05/15/10 07:20 PM
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Who or what then created the creator? If the creator has been here always, why can't nature and her laws have been here always. All we truly have are questions and beliefs. We have no answers. Belief, no matter how deeply felt, does not provide infallible answers.
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