In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of nature were in place and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning. - Physicist Leon Lederman

Is this meant to be a proof that God exists?

LOL - I own a bunch of guns, and use them for shooting at targets but also for hunting.

Ronda, if you've read any of my writings about religion around here you'd know that I absolutely DO believe that there is a creator. My view just happens to be a bit different than most other folks, but that's fine by me since I'm not out to look for converts or put down the faith of others.

I love to discuss religion and spirituality and do so often with my family and friends. It makes for interesting talks at times since I'm basically a Deist, my wife is Catholic, my son is agnostic, and my daughter is Wiccan. We all respect each others beliefs and can talk about them without anger or hostility.

I enjoy hearing others talk about their religious positions and have always tried to be respectful about it. The only thing I really find objectionable is when someone claims that their beliefs are the ONLY correct ones and that everyone else must follow their lead or be condemned.

IMO we must each find a way to commune with the creator and will do that in different ways. As long as your beliefs bring you serenity and comfort then all is well, but if your beliefs bring anger, hatred, and intolerance then you are likely on the wrong path.

What do you mean by the 'laws of nature' exactly, Ghoti?
Paul

As long as your beliefs bring you serenity and comfort then all is well, but if your beliefs bring anger, hatred, and intolerance then you are likely on the wrong path.

Is this meant to be a proof that God exists? If so, it falls short.

Things in nature are constantly being created and destroyed by perfectly natural means. Creation requires that there must be an application of force of some kind, but that doesn't necessarily prove that there is intelligence or design behind it.

Just because we don't currently fully understand the details about some of those forces doesn't prove that they have some divine origins.

"The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature of man infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction. And this is lex oeterna, the moral law, call also the law of nature. And by this law, written with the finger of God in the heart of man, were the people of God a long time governed, before the law was written by Moses, who was the first reporter or writer of law in the world."

http://www.duhaime.org/legaldictionary/L/LawofNature.aspx

I am answering for you, paul, since ghoti went off to pee or something. LOL

So...why , I ask, again, does it take the believer...the republican...the opposition, to post around here before we get Life breathed into the board (political forum? other forums?)?

...you'd run with what i said and 'create' a joke of me.

I ain't too feisty so guess that leaves PachyDerm skin with a bullhead skull as the only answer to my longevity! :-)
Paul

Wabi will arise again here like the phoenix, sometimes you have to be burned to ashes before you can renew yourself.

History has to remake itself and not too accurately, I might add.

Belief, no matter how deeply felt, does not provide infallible answers.