#186171 - 04/26/10 02:37 PM
arizona signs immigration law
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good!
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#186174 - 04/26/10 02:46 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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Greg
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you have no problem with profiling?
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#186175 - 04/26/10 02:46 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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Do you know what's in this bill? Anything but good, and almost certain to be ruled unconstitutional.
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#186185 - 04/26/10 03:22 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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i agree its profiling, i do think its unconstitutional, i do think its trouble
arizona has over 400,000 illegals taking jobs and taxpayer resources.......
at least they are trying something instead of just talk or dreaming
i dont care how they do it, just get illegals out of usa
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#186186 - 04/26/10 03:30 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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And yet, AZ's governor says:
"I will not tolerate racial discrimination or racial profiling in the state of Arizona," she said. She also emphasized an amendment to the bill that prevents law enforcement personnel from using a person's race as the only factor in implementing the law. "This protects all of us -- every Arizona citizen and everyone here lawfully," she said.
How will this law be enforced without profiling?
Edited by Skylark (04/26/10 03:32 PM)
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#186188 - 04/26/10 03:43 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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they have to profile...... airlines and government profiles people
considering 99% are mexican illegals, why would they search whites?
sometimes u gotta do something to solve
im not gonna cry over someone having to show a ID when asked, boo hoo, poor babies
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#186189 - 04/26/10 03:47 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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they have to profile...... airlines and government profiles people
considering 99% are mexican illegals, why would they search whites?
See, this is the problem here: you imagine only "mexicans" are undocumented.
What about the 50,000+ Irish illegals in the US?
What are the odds they'll be "profiled" and ID'd?
(And BTW -- "mexicans" are caucasian = "white" )
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#186190 - 04/26/10 03:50 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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of course you don't care lazer, you're not black or hispanic
so pulling a guy over in NJ because he's black IS NOT OK but pulling a guy over in AZ because he's hispanic IS OK.
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#186191 - 04/26/10 03:53 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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if mexicans are white, im albino, lol......
we can worry about the 50,000 irish after we take care of the 20 million mexicans
skylark, its people like u who hold crap back and never solve stuff..... u think everythings a all or nothing deal
they are starting with the big problem first, worry about the little stuff later
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#186193 - 04/26/10 03:57 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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if mexicans are white, im albino, lol......
then I guess you're "albino."
Because we ARE white.
Your ignorance is a sad reflection on you...
we can worry about the 50,000 irish after we take care of the 20 million mexicans
Really? What's the difference? Tell me. When it comes to jobs, and not paying taxes, and having no SSN, and using our social services -- what's the difference?
skylark, its people like u who hold crap back and never solve stuff..... u think everythings a all or nothing deal
they are starting with the big problem first, worry about the little stuff later
It is the SAME STUFF.
I don't get you...
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#186194 - 04/26/10 03:57 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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of course you don't care lazer, you're not black or hispanic
so pulling a guy over in NJ because he's black IS NOT OK but pulling a guy over in AZ because he's hispanic IS OK.
the law they signed in arizona says they need a reason to check, and thats good enough for me
again.... boo hoo, they gotta show ID
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#186195 - 04/26/10 04:04 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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if mexicans are white, im albino, lol...... then I guess you're "albino." Because we ARE white. Your ignorance is a sad reflection on you... we can worry about the 50,000 irish after we take care of the 20 million mexicans Really? What's the difference? Tell me. When it comes to jobs, and not paying taxes, and having no SSN, and using our social services -- what's the difference? skylark, its people like u who hold crap back and never solve stuff..... u think everythings a all or nothing deal
they are starting with the big problem first, worry about the little stuff later
It is the SAME STUFF. I don't get you...
ive never heard anyone say mexicans were white.... everyone says brown
regarding the same stuff, i clearly said that, but dont u read skylark, i said they gotta solve majority befor the trivial
if your mexican skylark, fine, if your legal, good, if not, your 1 of them, call immigration.. lol
i just want every illegal immigrant out of usa....... talk all u want, i care about usa citizens only
just be glad they didnt pass a shoot when caught law.... hehe
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#186196 - 04/26/10 04:04 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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we can worry about the 50,000 irish after we take care of the 20 million mexicans
What does this say about you?
Illegal is illegal.
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#186197 - 04/26/10 04:05 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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So you have illegal husband and wife with 3 kids under 6 born in the US. How do you handle this?
A boy,17, entire immediate family entered illegally from Mexico years ago. The boy is graduating with honors and in science competition won a full scholarship to MIT. He never questioned his citizenship until he was discovered to be an illegal. What do you do?
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#186199 - 04/26/10 04:10 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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we can worry about the 50,000 irish after we take care of the 20 million mexicans
What does this say about you? Illegal is illegal.
are u retarded skylark?
3rd time, they are trying to solve the 400,000 illegal mexicans, and if they get lucky and find the 10 illegal irish or 25 jamaicans, good for them........
what part of KICK ALL THE ILLEGALS OUT dont u get skylark?
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#186200 - 04/26/10 04:11 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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Why not take it one step further lazer, if you catch a damn illegal why not tatoo them so it makes it easier next time to catch them. Sound familar?
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#186201 - 04/26/10 04:18 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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So you have illegal husband and wife with 3 kids under 6 born in the US. How do you handle this?
A boy,17, entire immediate family entered illegally from Mexico years ago. The boy is graduating with honors and in science competition won a full scholarship to MIT. He never questioned his citizenship until he was discovered to be an illegal. What do you do?
good questions...... there is no fair or good answers
1st question, under law kids are usa citizens, but under circumstances of illegal parents, send them all home....
2....... if u let him stay, u just say if someones illegal and goes far they can beat the system
its a lose lose situation for taxpayers...... or a win win for illegals
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#186202 - 04/26/10 04:23 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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we can worry about the 50,000 irish after we take care of the 20 million mexicans
What does this say about you? Illegal is illegal. are u retarded skylark? 3rd time, they are trying to solve the 400,000 illegal mexicans, and if they get lucky and find the 10 illegal irish or 25 jamaicans, good for them........ what part of KICK ALL THE ILLEGALS OUT dont u get skylark?
I'm not "retarded."
But you ARE biased.
What makes you think there's a difference between illegal aliens?
What makes the Irish illegal "trivial" and the "mexican" illegal "major"?
What is the difference? Seriously.
Are they all not breaking the law in exactly the same way?
There is no race, no color, no relligious or pigmentation difference when it comes to breaking the law.
(You did a not-so-clever backpedal, there ... I'm going to your earlier posts ... )
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#186203 - 04/26/10 04:23 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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Why not take it one step further lazer, if you catch a damn illegal why not tatoo them so it makes it easier next time to catch them. Sound familar?
i dont hear u or anyone making suggestions on how to control the 20 million and growing illegal immigrant problem,
until u contribute ideas, dont condemn those who finally got off their asses and tried
tattooing is a stretch..... maybe if caught a 2nd time, ok, lol.....
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#186205 - 04/26/10 04:27 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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i told u the difference skylark, 3 times, READ!!
4th time, there is no difference, but solve the 400,000 problem, then worry about the small number
get it skylark? if not, yes u are retarded
what dont u get, KICK ALL ILLEGALS OUT, regardless of race
duh!
sorry, i cant explain it any easier than 3rd grade level skylark
Edited by lazer (04/26/10 04:30 PM)
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#186208 - 04/26/10 04:51 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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What is the difference? Seriously.
Mexicans are easier to spot than Irish. And, even though Lazer thinks this law is profiling, unconstitutional, and trouble, he thinks it's good. I'm with you, I don't get it.
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#186209 - 04/26/10 04:56 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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What is the difference? Seriously.
Mexicans are easier to spot than Irish. And, even though Lazer thinks this law is profiling, unconstitutional, and trouble, he thinks it's good. I'm with you, I don't get it.
yup...... true
im ok with profiling, i think its necessary to solve stuff
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#186216 - 04/26/10 06:17 PM
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im ok with profiling, i think its necessary to solve stuff
Okay, now I get it.
I'm not okay with profiling, but I know it will be around forever. I do think it's dangerous passing laws that encourage it.
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#186237 - 04/27/10 07:18 AM
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Why not take it one step further lazer, if you catch a damn illegal why not tatoo them so it makes it easier next time to catch them. Sound familar? i dont hear u or anyone making suggestions on how to control the 20 million and growing illegal immigrant problem, until u contribute ideas, dont condemn those who finally got off their asses and tried tattooing is a stretch..... maybe if caught a 2nd time, ok, lol.....
go to the roots of the issue B&B, Border and Business regulation.
cops are't immigration officers.
people like you scare me.
btw tatooing was used by Hitler to:
"Jews, and many non-Jews were tattooed during the Holocaust in order to identify each individual. It was Hitler's way of keeping tabs on it's population through the selection process, (ridding Germany of undesirables like Jews, Gays, etc.). Each number had it's significant meaning, for example: 01234567. The "0" was possibly the persons RACE. Number "1" meant the person was good for LABOR. Number 2 meant the person's religion, and 3 possibly meant the person is headed for the GAS chambers."
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#186239 - 04/27/10 09:21 AM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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If we were serious about reducing illegal immigration we would start prosecuting all the employers who hire them. If the jobs disappeared here then most of the illegals would stay home.
Problem is that those employers are mostly wealthy and powerful folks who contribute freely to political candidates so no one has the balls to crack down on them. So we take the easy way out and blame the illegals, most of whom are hard working folks who are here trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.
As usual in politics, money trumps common sense and decency.
Edited by ghoti (04/27/10 09:22 AM)
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#186253 - 04/27/10 02:10 PM
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If we were serious about reducing illegal immigration we would start prosecuting all the employers who hire them.
Absolutely. If Arizona was serious, that would be the approach to the problem.
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#186256 - 04/27/10 02:26 PM
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I think common sense is the right approach. If a Mexican is here legally he should give contact information and it can be sorted out later. If he doesn't have any drivers license or other documentation then that is reason for probable cause to hold for further iidentfication. Legal mexican /americans should carry proof of ID. Most other Americans carry such proof with them all the time.
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#186261 - 04/27/10 02:40 PM
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Think if you were a legal hispanic with teenage kids. It is shitty to think your kids would very likely be hasseled just because of their skin colour.
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#186263 - 04/27/10 03:38 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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you all want to solve a problem instanty with no hassles and no inconveniences
i agree with paul, everyone should carry ID......
maybe military should just surround every city, then have the law go in and ID everyone black, white, yellow and brown, and then everyone would be equal
boo hoo, u can cry over it, i wont
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#186264 - 04/27/10 03:39 PM
Re: arizona signs immigration law
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Many illegals have falsified documentation good enough to fool employers.
AZ is paying the price of this faulty bill to require police to enforce immigration laws. Cancellations of conventions, tournaments, etc. because large corporations must be politically correct. Our demented legislature furthers the fiscal problems of the state on top of the idiotic moves they have already made. Oh well, we may be broke but we have our permitless concealed weapons so at least we are all safe.
Are we not all, in essence, illegal with the exception of native americans and hispanics who have been here many generations. We had the raw power to conquer these indiginous
people and then changed the rules. As things are going maybe we will have the tables turned and will end up being illegals .
Incidentally, I believe the young honor student was deported.
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#186265 - 04/27/10 03:45 PM
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I believe people should carry IDs IF they are driving,doing financial transactions, etc.
Unless we want to further become a police state under everyday
circumstances I can't see why IDs are required.
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#186278 - 04/27/10 06:05 PM
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"are there any queers in the theater tonight?
get them up against the wall..."
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#186461 - 05/02/10 07:20 AM
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Problem is that those employers are mostly wealthy and powerful folks who contribute freely to political candidates so no one has the balls to crack down on them. So we take the easy way out and blame the illegals, most of whom are hard working folks who are here trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.
As usual in politics, money trumps common sense and decency.
Well there ya go again. If yer not knocking down a Christian yer knocking down the wealthy...and the wealthy Christian is your fav knockdown.
yer a broken record.
Actually, there are plenty of folk across the US who own and cultivate/grow orchards ...you know, those things that produce fruit for everyone. And they are entirely handpicked by illegals here..some legals, but mostly illegals. You got more problems than solutions...especially when you try to handpick the problem, ghoti.
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#186462 - 05/02/10 07:20 AM
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"are there any queers in the theater tonight?
get them up against the wall..."
oo ooo, can i frisk them?!
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#186463 - 05/02/10 07:23 AM
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ævory
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I think we should let Judge Sotomayer decide.
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#186467 - 05/02/10 08:42 AM
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Ronda, I'm only against the wealthy who gain their wealth by illegal methods. I've also got nothing against Christians or any other religion - only those who misuse their faith to promote hatred. I don't think your reading comprehension is very good, since you seem to only see what you want to believe rather than the facts.
Now that Paradude doesn't post here I guess I'm your new obsession, LOL.
edited to correct stupid spelling errors.
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