#186103 - 04/25/10 01:38 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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flicka
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Atheists are dragging whatever thing they can to discredit the bible and we know who is ultimately behind them and their effort.
I might agree with this thought if I'd read anything controversial in the book of Thomas. However, almost everything Thomas quotes from Jesus is something I've read in the bible itself. There is another book by Thomas about Jesus when he was a child. It's been years since I read it, but it is much more controversial than this one.
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#186110 - 04/25/10 03:23 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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the book of judas is very interesting and so are the dead sea scrolls. they paint a whole different picture on jesus/the role of women etc. i do feel it is a powerful statement to look within. that's what jesus' message was about. you didnt need a rabbi or someone else telling you what to do, god gave u the tools already.
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#186111 - 04/25/10 04:01 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Like the apostle Paul said, (in his day)the spirit of antichrist is alive and active in the world. Still is apparently.
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#186112 - 04/25/10 05:18 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Paulwa, remember these are ANCIENT texts we're talking about - as old as the Bible itself. Of course you don't accept them, but in their day many folks did.
Have you ever actually read any of the Apocrypha? There really isn't much of anything very shocking or evil about any of them, just a little different view of who Jesus was.
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#186113 - 04/25/10 05:31 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Paulwa_dup1
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Yes several years back I bought a copy and read it all but there were those back in those days who brushed Jesus off as a mortal man, but Jesus died and rose again and returned to heaven where He is now. He will prove it all in the very near future, much to the chagrin of those who believe He is still in the grave.
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#186121 - 04/25/10 06:37 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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ghoti
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Ya gotta remember that Israel itself stayed nearly 100% Jewish during and after the time of Jesus with very few converts to Christianity, so obviously an awful lot of folks in his own homeland had doubts about his divinity. If it hadn't been for Paul and some of the disciples going around spreading the word to other countries Christianity might have faded right out.
The biggest single thing that happened to help out Christianity was when Constantine converted and then made it the official religion for all of Rome. Up until then it was no more than one of many cult religions of the time.
I find studying the roots of various religions to be fascinating stuff.
Edited by ghoti (04/25/10 06:38 PM)
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#186124 - 04/25/10 07:21 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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flicka
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...but there were those back in those days who brushed Jesus off as a mortal man
Thomas was obviously not among them.
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#186326 - 04/28/10 12:00 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Thomas saw Jesus do what no ordinary man could. Yet he doubted. Jesus made an example of him for all time.
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#186340 - 04/28/10 06:35 PM
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What do you mean "made an example of him"? Thomas doubted that Jesus had been resurrected just on the word of the other disciples, but as soon as he saw for himself, he believed. What was so terrible about that?
Here's the actual passage:
John 20:24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Seems to me that Thomas was perfectly justified in his doubts, and Jesus certainly didn't rebuke or punish him for them.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020&version=KJV
Edited by ghoti (04/28/10 06:54 PM)
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#186350 - 04/28/10 08:56 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Made an example of thomas doubting, blessed are those who have not seen and believed.
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#186363 - 04/29/10 10:53 AM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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I don't believe that this Book of Thomas is the true gospel at all. I do believe that the Catholics use it as a crutch to support their beliefs. It's the corporate entities that throw out these lies. Personally, I find what's being done despicable. People ought to know more about the scriptures than what they are taught, which in many cases is a priest telling them all about how Bible study can be dangerous. And then they point to 2Peter 3:16.
Look here.
And call they this an uniform tenor of text and judgment about the text, so many of their Worthies disclaiming the now received conceit? Nay, we will yet come nearer the quick: doth not their Paris edition differ from the Lovaine, and Hentenius his from them both, and yet all of them allowed by authority? Nay, doth not Sixtus Quintus confess, that certain Catholics (he meaneth certain of his own side) were in such an humor of translating the Scriptures into Latin, that Satan taking occasion by them, though they thought of no such matter, did strive what he could, out of so uncertain and manifold a variety of Translations, so to mingle all things, that nothing might seem to be left certain and firm in them, etc.? Nay, further, did not the same Sixtus ordain by an inviolable decree, and that with the counsel and consent of his Cardinals, that the Latin edition of the old and new Testament, which the Council of Trent would have to be authentic, is the same without controversy which he then set forth, being diligently corrected and printed in the Printing-house of Vatican? Thus Sixtus in his Preface before his Bible. And yet Clement the Eighth his immediate successor, publisheth another edition of the Bible, containing in it infinite differences from that of Sixtus, (and many of them weighty and material) and yet this must be authentic by all means. What is to have the faith of our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with Yea or Nay, if this be not? Again, what is sweet harmony and consent, if this be? Therefore, as Demaratus of Corinth advised a great King, before he talked of the dissensions among the Grecians, to compose his domestic broils (for at that time his Queen and his son and heir were at deadly feud with him) so all the while that our adversaries do make so many and so various editions themselves, and do jar so much about the worth and authority of them, they can with no show of equity challenge us for changing and correcting.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvpref.html
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#186364 - 04/29/10 11:15 AM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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ronniechoate34
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"But now what piety without truth? What truth, what saving truth, without the word of God? What word of God, whereof we may be sure, without the Scripture?" Translators To The Reader
http://www.lamblion.net/Quotations/miles_smith.htm
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#186365 - 04/29/10 11:33 AM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Skylark
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"The book of Thomas" is not in the Catholic Bible.
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#186367 - 04/29/10 12:01 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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Please understand what "the apocrypha" is: books that exist, have some historical significance, yet contain no valid or reliable dogma.
"The Gospel of Thomas" is just that.
It does not appear in the Catholic Bible.
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#186368 - 04/29/10 12:39 PM
Re: The Book of Thomas
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ronniechoate34
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2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.
What'll it be, high mass, low mass, no money no mass?
Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.
Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.
Did someone mention works salvation?
Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.
An immaculate conception? You be the judge. Personally I don't believe in it. I've judged it to be dung.
You're right Skylark, none of this is in any of the sixty six books of my Bible.
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