#185722 - 04/15/10 01:46 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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flicka
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so it's simple really, the reason horrible teen's have horrible teachers is because engaging, interesting, people would be all too likely to beat the livin' crap outta 'em.
Even though I truly enjoy this statement because I know teens I want to beat the crap outta, I really liked what the teacher in the original article had to say about disclipine:
Classroom discipline was a nonissue; Givens sent only two students to the office in two years, and only then because he was too busy to address the problems in class.
“I think that is an advantage to working in industry. I’m accustomed to confrontation.”
This really clicked with me because I've seen firsthand how people from different work backgrounds handle controversy. My brother, who has worked as a supervisor for years, can walk into a physically violent sitution and change the entire course of the argument. He approaches situations from an entirely different place then those who have not had 'industry' experience.
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#185723 - 04/15/10 02:10 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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KAR
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My ex-wife is a retired elementary teacher. She taught 4th grade for 35 years. Just before the beginning of a new year the team would get together to assign kids to teachers. One teacher, sadly a male, would always say "just give me the dummies and the discipline problems, no one expects anything from them anyway, and it makes my job easier".
I did some Laubach method tutoring at the local library and was astounded at the number of high school graduates who could not read at a low elementary school level.
One in particular happened to be a good wrestler but was most likely 'educably mentally retarded' yet he graduated on time. This poor soul could did not understand how to use money, he could not make change, he would just hand over money and pray that he would not get taken advantage of,he basically functioned as a foreigner in his own country.
He found work as a welder but wanted more than anything to pass the Air Force enlistment exam and serve his country. I worked with his recruiter and together we could not get this kid to pass the test. The system failed him and many more just like him.
I went to parochial school, and my grade school was a 4 room building with 4 nuns, they taught 2 grades in the same rooom, splitting time between grades. We all did very well and most us us did well in high school and college.
I have always felt that the most important thing you can teach a child is to read and comprehend. Once they achieve that everything else would fall into place.
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#185725 - 04/15/10 02:32 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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flicka
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I have always felt that the most important thing you can teach a child is to read and comprehend. Once they achieve that everything else would fall into place.
Also, most children can learn to read with simple encouragement in the first few grades of school. A lot of older kids' misbehavior comes from their inability to understand classwork.
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#185726 - 04/15/10 03:06 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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lazer
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. A lot of older kids' misbehavior comes from their inability to understand classwork.
sure, but it all goes back to the parents making sure
parents who care sit kids down, make them study, then check it
my dad was a vice principal, got mostly the bad kids, and when he called parents, he could tell in a few minutes if it was the parents fault, cuz they didnt care.....
can u believe some parents said dont call me no more, also parent said once they leave house they are schools responsibility, also, its not my job to check homework its teachers, ohhhhhh so many stories
if a kid cant learn at school, parents need to work with them
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#185727 - 04/15/10 03:20 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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flicka
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my dad was a vice principal, got mostly the bad kids, and when he called parents, he could tell in a few minutes if it was the parents fault, cuz they didnt care.....
can u believe some parents said dont call me no more, also parent said once they leave house they are schools responsibility, also, its not my job to check homework its teachers, ohhhhhh so many stories
I definitely agree that many parents are too busy, unmotivated, or unable to help their children. I'd really like to see us find a way to power down on kids during k-6 and at least get strong basics into them.
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#185739 - 04/15/10 06:28 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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kan5a5
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parents who care sit kids down, make them study, then check it
...and they mind the hearth...makin' sure the log cabin doesn't burn.
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#185744 - 04/15/10 06:46 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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ghoti
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If a kid doesn't learn to read by early elementary age it gets harder and harder to teach them the older they get. Ideally parents would read to them from a very early age and encourage reading, but that often doesn't happen.
If a 15 year old is in a classroom of 30 kids and still hasn't learned to read yet, how is a math or science teacher supposed to help them? You can't ignore all the others to spend time with just one kid for more than a minute or two before chaos erupts.
If the kid were willing to get extra help there might still be hope, but how many 15 year olds will accept that? At that age the last thing they want is to be seen as different or an oddball.
The schools try to stay on top of these things but without the cooperation of the child and the parents there are limits to what can be done.
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