#185664 - 04/14/10 04:08 PM
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ævory
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Wednesday, April 14, 2010
Editorial by John Ziegler
Once Again, The Most Important Polls Are Ignored
2/2/2010
Back in late 2008, as part of my research for my documentary film “Media Malpractice, “ at great personal expense I commissioned two highly scientific polls of the electorate to determine how the dreadful media coverage of the campaign impacted what voters knew (or thought they knew) about the candidates.
The first, a Zogby poll of just Obama voters, created a huge, largely internet based, controversy, ending with John Zogby refusing to take my money to duplicate the poll with McCain voters added. The second, asking essentially the same multiple choice questions of all voters with similarly astonishing results, was basically ignored by the media.
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So, when the highly respected Pew Research Center came out with their recent poll assessing the knowledge (or lack there of) base of the average voter I was intrigued on several levels.
First, I was struck by how incredibly similar the Pew poll (in both methodology and results) was to the ones I commissioned, which were viciously and wrongly attacked by the left as nothing but right-wing propaganda.
Both asked twelve, rather easy, multiple choice questions to gauge how much voters actually knew about current events. In both sets of polls the lack of knowledge was equally stunning and in both cases the most informed voters were White, Educated, Male, Republicans and the least informed were Minority, Undereducated, Female, Democrats. In both cases these potentially earth shattering results were treated by the news media like week-old NHL hockey scores. (Heck, Pew’s own laughably benign headline indicates they were afraid to publicize the results themselves!)
Before we get into an analysis of the significance of all of this, let’s first delve into the actual results which should stun and horrify almost everyone (at least those not already exposed to the polls for my documentary).
Here are some high (low) lights:
-- Only two percent got all twelve of the simple questions correct. Thirteen percent failed to get even two right answers (remember, if you simply guessed you should expect to get about three correct answers).
-- Given four multiple choice options, only 26% knew it takes 60 votes to break a filibuster in the Senate.
-- Just 48% of Republicans knew Harry Reid leads the Senate, while only 33% of Democrats did.
-- On no question did 60% of the respondents get the right answer.
-- Republicans got an average of 5.9 correct, while Democrats scored just 4.9. Even often maligned Independents did better than Democrats, averaging 5.6 correct answers.
-- On almost every question, men out did women, whites got more answers correct than blacks, the more educated did better than the less schooled, the richer did better than the poorer, the older outscored the younger, and Republicans did best while Democrats did worst.
-- Women did particularly poorly on the economic questions with a 21 point gender gap on an inquiry about the debt, 18 points on the Dow question, and 14 on the unemployment rate query.
It would seem to me that these results demand that we radically rework the “conventional wisdom” about virtually everything that the news media would have us believe about our electorate. I find it particularly ironic that polls which ask people what they “think” are routinely given far more attention than polls like this one which determine what potential voters really “know.” After all, in a remotely rational world, it would be rather difficult to justify caring about what people “think” if they don’t actually “know” anything. In short, the poltical opinions of the average American citizen have less substance than cotton candy.
But in 21st century America everyone’s opinion is equal regardless of what it is actually founded on. In fact, based on the media’s matrix (especially in Hollywood), often what the poor, the young, the less educated, the allegedly oppressed minority or female, and the openly liberal have to say is given greater value than the voice of the already over privileged old, rich, educated, white, male Republican. Who cares that they may actually know what the heck they are talking about; that simply doesn’t matter any more. Instead it is all about how you “feel” that we care about, not what you “know.”
The implications of this study obviously go far beyond exposing the inaccurate cultural perceptions created by political correctness. Clearly, we are simply not well informed enough to maintain the democratic republic that our founders created. In fact, it is not even close.
Politically, the evidence is overwhelming that elections are not remotely decided by issues or substance. Hollywood has long ago discovered just how unintelligent the average American really is and has done a suburb job of exploiting that reality. Politicians have been a little slower in coming to this realization but the remarkable success of an Obama campaign that pulled off an historic upset on little more than “Hope” and “Change,” certainly indicates that the “ignorance awareness” gap between D.C. and Los Angeles is quickly closing.
Taking this concept out of the theoretical and into the practical, I have written previously about how Scott Brown’s magnificent win is being overrated as an indication of a political shift in this country. How could his victory really be all about repudiating health care reform when only 32% of adults in this country know that no Republicans voted for it and only 39% know Harry Reid leads the Senate? This means that at least 61% of potential voters have absolutely no clue about what is really going on regarding the most publicized public policy issue of the past year!
More and more I am convinced that all that matters in elections is how you look/sound, what your personal narrative is, whether you are part of the party the public (often wrongly) thinks is in power, and how the media treats you. That is a recipe for both the destruction of the conservative movement as well as the nation itself.
http://johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=197
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#185684 - 04/14/10 05:49 PM
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flicka
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Before we get into an analysis of the significance of all of this, let’s first delve into the actual results which should stun and horrify almost everyone (at least those not already exposed to the polls for my documentary).
Here are some high (low) lights:
-- Only two percent got all twelve of the simple questions correct. Thirteen percent failed to get even two right answers (remember, if you simply guessed you should expect to get about three correct answers).
-- Given four multiple choice options, only 26% knew it takes 60 votes to break a filibuster in the Senate.
-- Just 48% of Republicans knew Harry Reid leads the Senate, while only 33% of Democrats did.
Stun & horrify? If the other 10 questions are of the same caliber as these two, I don't think ignorance on them necessarily makes a person an uninformed voter.
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#185701 - 04/15/10 07:10 AM
Re: Give It a Read
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ævory
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the "highly respected Pew Research Center" did the poll. Unlike the 'scientific research studies' that shakey so often refers to...yet never quotes or gives a link to...his standard post "backup" for his idiot remarks about how Liberals are smarter than Republicans....LOL> something you, nor anyone else of the clickster clan even bat an eye over to debate(?) him over.
Now, don't you just wish that wabi or someone Like wabi...would...be available here so you people could have something to talk about?
Shame on Skylard, who mentions in a closed-forum of another messageboard, that she rid wabi from this board. Like how hypocritically Wrong ARE you people? lol...not a question I'm looking to have answered.
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#185705 - 04/15/10 08:37 AM
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Skylark
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Emma "rid wabi from this board."
Not I.
I don't have that power.
I did alert Emma with a personal complaint, but after another thead had already been locked: wabi had followed me to a new thread, trying to bring his fight there, complete with a quote from the locked thread, which I thought inappropriate. That was my reason for alerting Emma.
Ultimately, it was his own behavior that got him wherever he is today.
Find him, Ronda, if you're missing him so much.
ETA: "Skylard" - ? LOL! Right now, I'm having trouble keeping my weight up! I'm a size 4, and shrinking fast... I WISH I had a little more "lard" !!
Edited by Skylark (04/15/10 08:46 AM)
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#185708 - 04/15/10 08:47 AM
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MerryA
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A slanted opinion piece by a repug taking poll results out of context is not the Pew Research Center. 
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#185711 - 04/15/10 09:08 AM
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lazer
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good lord........ if u post shit to read, at least leave comments on your thoughts on topic
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#185712 - 04/15/10 09:17 AM
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Greg
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good lord........ if u post shit to read, at least leave comments on your thoughts on topic
I forgot I have to dumb it down, don't kid yourself, there is channeling by surrogates of those stuck in purgatory
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#185713 - 04/15/10 09:29 AM
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lazer
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no greg, not you
meant original page long copy/pastes
i like to know peoples thoughts on stuff
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#185714 - 04/15/10 11:43 AM
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flicka
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Now, don't you just wish that wabi or someone Like wabi...would...be available here so you people could have something to talk about?
Not really. Anyone can turn a discussion into personal attacks.
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#185789 - 04/17/10 11:51 AM
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Naawwww, not around here or PQ, Flicka!:-)
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#185905 - 04/20/10 05:38 AM
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ævory
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good lord........ if u post shit to read, at least leave comments on your thoughts on topic
good lord.......u sound like joy - just like her.
here is some thought: emma says she wants anyone who suspects a sharing of wabi character/ or Of wabi, here on nm, to 'give her a ring' -- hit the notify button. they've been warned by her many times, she says. and i know from joy that she has been warned by emma. i wonder if lazer likes to share his moniker, too. i hate to think that... 
anyway...funny how it took just sky to notify emma of wabi's behavior here. no...i'm not that gullible. it took way more peeps to do it than just wanda.
is this a sick board, or what?
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#185906 - 04/20/10 05:39 AM
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ævory
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Now, don't you just wish that wabi or someone Like wabi...would...be available here so you people could have something to talk about?
Not really. Anyone can turn a discussion into personal attacks.
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#185907 - 04/20/10 06:40 AM
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Greg
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everyone knows what you and Wabdong of capable of so maybe you should think twice before being so judgemental
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#185908 - 04/20/10 06:42 AM
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ævory
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Now why....would you say that?
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Greg
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everyone knows what you and Wabdong of capable of so maybe you should think twice before being so judgemental
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Edited by ævory (04/20/10 06:47 AM)
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