#185678 - 04/14/10 05:09 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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lazer
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Ghotti, I realize you're union and I have an incorporated small business so we come at this from two different angles. I suggest you check out the current teacher/union/cost NJ dispute issues currently getting ink to understand where I am coming from. Teaching, at least in Canada, is still a better than average way to combine fair renumeration plus job satisfaction type of profession. Greg, here in the US it is very difficult for a teacher to afford to raise a family, drive a decent car, and own a home unless they are very frugal with their money and/or have a spouse who works.
yea, so?
what about others who make less?
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#185679 - 04/14/10 05:19 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Ghotti, I realize you're union and I have an incorporated small business so we come at this from two different angles. I suggest you check out the current teacher/union/cost NJ dispute issues currently getting ink to understand where I am coming from. Teaching, at least in Canada, is still a better than average way to combine fair renumeration plus job satisfaction type of profession. Greg, here in the US it is very difficult for a teacher to afford to raise a family, drive a decent car, and own a home unless they are very frugal with their money and/or have a spouse who works.
Average teacher salary in CA is $59,825 (Starting salary $35,760), not bad if you figure in, better than private employee, retirement benefits and uncredible time off. Source
Michigan Average and Starting Salaries Source
Edited by YosemiteSam (04/14/10 05:39 PM)
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#185680 - 04/14/10 05:30 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Ghotti, I realize you're union and I have an incorporated small business so we come at this from two different angles. I suggest you check out the current teacher/union/cost NJ dispute issues currently getting ink to understand where I am coming from. Teaching, at least in Canada, is still a better than average way to combine fair renumeration plus job satisfaction type of profession. Greg, here in the US it is very difficult for a teacher to afford to raise a family, drive a decent car, and own a home unless they are very frugal with their money and/or have a spouse who works. yea, so? what about others who make less?
Point being that it takes a college education to start in a fairly low paying career.
I think teachers should at least make enough to buy a home in the area. I don't know that someone making $59k/yr could buy a home here.
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#185683 - 04/14/10 05:46 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Teacher pay is among the lowest for folks with a college degree, especially considering you're stuck in a room with 30 teenagers 6 hours a day and supposed to keep them quiet and attentive and actually get them to learn things that most of them don't care about.
How many people would trade their current jobs for that?
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#185685 - 04/14/10 05:50 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Teacher pay is among the lowest for folks with a college degree, especially considering you're stuck in a room with 30 teenagers 6 hours a day and supposed to keep them quiet and attentive and actually get them to learn things that most of them don't care about.
How many people would trade their current jobs for that?
i couldnt, id be fired for calling someone a little bastard... lol...
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#185686 - 04/14/10 06:00 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Average private industry salary $55K, Avg federal worker $66K, Average Teacher (varies by state) MI %$4.7K CA $59.8K.
Considering the fringe benefits and time off, Teachers aren't so bad off.
Oops, forgot the Source [url=]http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm[/url]
Edited by YosemiteSam (04/14/10 06:05 PM)
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#185687 - 04/14/10 06:07 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Is that really $4.7k in MI?
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#185688 - 04/14/10 06:11 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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Is that really $4.7k in MI?
According to This Source the answer is yes, it's $54,739.
Oh, I see the typo, sorry. Not %S4.7K, it sh/be $54,739
Edited by YosemiteSam (04/14/10 06:24 PM)
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#185694 - 04/14/10 08:18 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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That's a bit better! Bob, do you think a teacher could afford to buy a home in your area?
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#185710 - 04/15/10 09:06 AM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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flix, u atually thought a teacher somewhere only got paid $4k?
good lord, u people get so worked up over typos, lol
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#185715 - 04/15/10 11:48 AM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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flix, u atually thought a teacher somewhere only got paid $4k?
It would certainly explain the mentality of my relatives in Mississippi! 
I wasn't worked up. Just wondered where the "4" actually belonged in the figure.
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#185716 - 04/15/10 12:21 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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kan5, your words prove my point, your blaming someone else, the school
i believe that schools have made their own bed, yes.
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#185717 - 04/15/10 12:46 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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so it's simple really, the reason horrible teen's have horrible teachers is because engaging, interesting, people would be all too likely to beat the livin' crap outta 'em.
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#185720 - 04/15/10 01:13 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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so it's simple really, the reason horrible teen's have horrible teachers is because engaging, interesting, people would be all too likely to beat the livin' crap outta 'em.
im sure theres bad teachers out there, but i had good ones
u cant judge a teacher till you know them, and if u believe your kid without calling the school or teacher, then thats not a good followup parent
why? cuz most kids dislike teachers, esp teachers that give kids a push to learn, or stupid lazy ass punks who dont care
as judge judy says..... u know whena kids not lying? when they are asleep. lol...... kids will say anything not to be in trouble......
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#185721 - 04/15/10 01:45 PM
Re: Schools should increase rigor
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ghoti
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There are crappy teachers out there, for sure, but isn't that true of every profession? I realize everyone wants nothing but the best for their kids but ya gotta be realistic.
There's also an awful lot of kids with parents who don't support education or care how their kids behave. All it takes is to get 3-4 disruptive kids in a classroom of 30 and it can make life hell for a teacher.
There's justification for blame on both sides, but I'm sure we can all agree that if we could have quality teachers with 25 well-behaved willing learners in every classroom education would improve tremendously.
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