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#185160 - 04/02/10 02:23 PM YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP
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OHHH THE IRONY

Palin Slams Obama Plan to Expand Drilling as Stall Tactic
Posted: 04/2/10Filed Under:Senate, Barack Obama, Environment, Sarah Palin, Obama Administration 239 Comments + Join the discussion »TEXT SIZE:AAAPRINT SHARE It didn't take long for critics from both sides of the drilling argument to jump all over President Obama's plan to expand offshore oil and gas exploration along the Atlantic coast and in the Gulf of Mexico.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin urged Republican senators not to "take the bait" and said the president was simply trying to shift focus away from new environmental regulations and the revival of costly global warming legislation in the Senate.

"Instead of 'drill baby drill,' " she said, echoing her battle cry as a 2008 vice presidential candidate, "the more you look at this, the more you realize, it's 'stall, baby, stall.'" Writing in the National Review Online, Palin scoffed at Obama's announcement that he would "consider" development off the Atlantic coast and study areas in the Arctic. "I've seen plenty of such studies. What we need is action," she said.

The Sierra Club was disappointed in Obama's drilling initiative for entirely different reasons.

"The oil industry already has access to drilling on millions of acres of America's public lands and water," Michael Brune, head of the non-profit environmental group, said in a statement. "We don't need to hand over our last protected pristine coastal areas just so oil companies can break more profit records. . . . One oil spill is all it takes to destroy a coastal tourism economy and the jobs that depend on it." Brune, who wants Obama to take more steps toward clean energy, argued that "dirty, expensive offshore drilling" would not lower gas prices or establish the nation's energy independence.

On Tuesday, Obama said his administration would approve more drilling leases off the mid-Atlantic and southern coastline and in the Gulf of Mexico. He said Bristol Bay, a large fishery in Alaska, would remain off-limits. And no action was announced to open up off-shore drilling on the Pacific coast.
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#185170 - 04/02/10 03:32 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I really am not sure why people think offshore rigs are such an eyesore. Especially at 125 miles off the coast.
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#185173 - 04/02/10 03:42 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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if it lowers prices, creates jobs and does minimal damage, drill it all, thats what its for
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#185174 - 04/02/10 03:46 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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I thought it was more about environmental impact? Like nuclear, after that rig leaked, years ago, americans are like elephants even though technology and saftey standards have improved 100 fold.
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#185182 - 04/02/10 04:26 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I thought it was more about environmental impact?

For some it will always be about environmental impact. In the meantime, it's interesting watching Obama paint the Republicans into a corner.
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#185183 - 04/02/10 04:42 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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No, no, no, a thousand times NO!

Which part of this game plan does no one get? Money, money, money. Ruled by the big conglomerates. The rich and powerful. More money and power.

Green, ONLY GREEN.

If you think for a moment that we have an oil shortage than you haven't done your homework.
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#185184 - 04/02/10 04:44 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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IMO it's a very shrewd move by Obama. The republican strategy has been to demonize him and vote "no" en mass to everything he proposes, and the extreme right embraces it.

Oil companies have been drooling over the chance to do more offshore drilling for decades and they will put lots of pressure on the republicans to vote for it. Any republicans that do will get castigated by the far right.

It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" pickle for republicans in congress. Obama is finally growing into the job, and I like it.


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#185188 - 04/02/10 04:53 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: ghoti]
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I agree with you on the politics, Ghoti.
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#185189 - 04/02/10 05:02 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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Originally Posted By: Roadrunner
No, no, no, a thousand times NO!

Which part of this game plan does no one get? Money, money, money. Ruled by the big conglomerates. The rich and powerful. More money and power.

Green, ONLY GREEN.

If you think for a moment that we have an oil shortage than you haven't done your homework.


if it wasnt for the big companies mass producing, keeping costs down, youd be charged more for everything

its always about money, even if u only make $10k a year.... just a diff level

you people only hate the rich because you arent rich, lol.....


Edited by lazer (04/02/10 05:04 PM)
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#185191 - 04/02/10 05:33 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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Here's my take - all the liberal dems in the house will vote "no" but there might be as many as 30-40 conservative dems who vote "yes". That means that if nearly all the repubs vote "yes" it will pass and the oil companies will be happy.

But if they do that they will feel the wrath of the right-wingers who demonize Obama. So most of them will vote "no" and one of their favorite issues will die because they failed to support it.

IMO there's almost no chance of this actually passing, and the irony is delicious.
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#185192 - 04/02/10 06:39 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: ghoti]
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i ahree with ghoti akso. very clever and sarah palin fell in head 1st.

still ironic if libs/dems support this.

i say drill in wyoming and other places 1st... while working on green vehicles
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#185208 - 04/02/10 09:31 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Johnboy 64]
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lol @ jb. guessing you've never been to WY. The entire eastern half of the state is loaded with oil wells.
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#185209 - 04/02/10 11:42 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Lazer
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if it wasnt for the big companies mass producing, keeping costs down, youd be charged more for everything
its always about money, even if u only make $10k a year.... just a diff level

you people only hate the rich because you arent rich, lol.....


LOL, the uninformed perpetuate the myth. The Elite love you!


http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/0890510687/3--20/
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#185215 - 04/03/10 09:27 AM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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roadrunner, you dont believe big businesses undercut prices by buying/selling bulk?

instead of just saying u disagree, list reasons why.... or cant u?


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#185217 - 04/03/10 11:28 AM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
roadrunner, you dont believe big businesses undercut prices by buying/selling bulk?

instead of just saying u disagree, list reasons why.... or cant u?


Instead of??????????????..................I DID (list my reasons). I always do. Did you click on the link, Lazer?

The Energy Non-Crisis

No one seems to have the initiative to click on the links, or follow up a little further. Simple on the internet. You don't have to go to the library anymore.

There is lots of info on different aspects of an energy non crisis to read about, Lazer, AND from DIFFERENT angles. So the other side of being sarcastic about us peons envying the rich is to look into the other side of the story. AND, I don't mean just read the headlines and poo poo the story.
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#185218 - 04/03/10 11:32 AM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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u think im gonna buy a book to read? dumb......

if u dont have a worded opinion with examples explaining roadrunner, then dont reply
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#185220 - 04/03/10 11:48 AM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

if it wasnt for the big companies mass producing, keeping costs down, youd be charged more for everything

Do you think this 'rule-of-thumb' will work for health care costs also?
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#185221 - 04/03/10 12:02 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: lazer

if it wasnt for the big companies mass producing, keeping costs down, youd be charged more for everything

Do you think this 'rule-of-thumb' will work for health care costs also?


it will obviously help everyone who dont or couldnt get healthcare, but will probably screw over those who pay because of limitations or things taken away

i dont know flix.......

healthcare is different than a mom and pop store buying 100 dvd players for $25 each to sell for $50, than walmart buying 5000 for $10 to sell for $35
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#185223 - 04/03/10 12:28 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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u think im gonna buy a book to read? dumb......

if u dont have a worded opinion with examples explaining roadrunner, then dont reply


Number 1, Lazer, where did I say you needed to buy a book? I gave you more than 1 example to look up. Why? Because there's dozens of opinions on the topic. Is peak oil real, is oil derived from dinasors, is oil a political pawn, etc,? I am not in the business of education or writing books.

I certainly don't see you giving any examples with explanations, so before you go telling me what to do ................... look in the mirror.

Second, when did you become moderator of this board? I have just as much right as you to reply anywhere on here. It might be a surprise to you however, but your permission is not required.
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#185224 - 04/03/10 12:39 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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your link was a book on amazon

and i saw nothing in this thread where u explained anything

i give a thought and explanation in almost every post, guess u dont read

and youre right im no monitor, but if u wanna be a rob or paul and post without a thought or explanation, go for it


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#185225 - 04/03/10 12:46 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer
your link was a book on amazon

and i saw nothing in this thread where u explained anything

i give a thought and explanation in almost every post, guess u dont read

and youre right im no monitor, but if u wanna be a rob or paul and post without a thought or explanation, go for it



You P me off so much I forgot my links, lol.

Now, these opinions contradict the usual stories..........like global warming, or not?

To me one should always "follow the money".


http://www.rense.com/general69/noncrisis.htm

http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=322301

http://www.infowars.com/articles/economy/peak_oil_globalist_scam.htm

http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi
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#185226 - 04/03/10 12:56 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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you posted no links, i called u on it, u said i was wrong, and i was right, soooo..... so wheres your apology, lol.......

2nd...... i could post links contradicting so its a mute point now

i believe in global warming, tho its very gradual...... heck, the polar icecaps disappearing should tell u that alone

and anyone who thinks we have unlimited fossil fuels is just a idiot....... its just a matter of time before we use it up...... 50, 100, 150, 200 maybe 250 years, who knows..... but eventually fossil fuel will be gone

think about it, although oil has been used for a thousand years for stuff, its only been about 100 years since mass produced engines have been made........ i bet we used more oil in last 75 years than in last 1000 years before it

but hey, if u wanna think the world used a million barrels of oil a month and the earth created a million to replentish that loss, enjoy your fantasy world



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#185228 - 04/03/10 01:33 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

healthcare is different than a mom and pop store buying 100 dvd players for $25 each to sell for $50, than walmart buying 5000 for $10 to sell for $35

Not really...
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#185229 - 04/03/10 01:34 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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i bet we used more oil in last 75 years than in last 1000 years before it

I'd say that's a safe bet.
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#185248 - 04/03/10 03:47 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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you posted no links, i called u on it, u said i was wrong, and i was right, soooo..... so wheres your apology, lol.......

2nd...... i could post links contradicting so its a mute point now

i believe in global warming, tho its very gradual...... heck, the polar icecaps disappearing should tell u that alone

and anyone who thinks we have unlimited fossil fuels is just a idiot....... its just a matter of time before we use it up...... 50, 100, 150, 200 maybe 250 years, who knows..... but eventually fossil fuel will be gone

think about it, although oil has been used for a thousand years for stuff, its only been about 100 years since mass produced engines have been made........ i bet we used more oil in last 75 years than in last 1000 years before it

but hey, if u wanna think the world used a million barrels of oil a month and the earth created a million to replentish that loss, enjoy your fantasy world


Ok I apologize. Now where's your apology for telling me not to post on the on the board unless I write an explanation?

Global warming is a fact, BUT, not the way the elite (Al Gore, etc.) are telling it. Blaming it on us earth dwellers is the biggest bunch of hooey. ALL THE PLANETS ARE WARMING, MELTING ICE CAPS, ETC., on the planets that have them. The same as is happening here. Carbon Footprint, yeh, another big fired scheme to make some money off the peons. However, what an opportunity to make some more $$$$$$$$$$$ off the little guy. Why is it always a fact that "the other side" of the story, other facts, are given little or no coverage. Or are ridiculed in what meager press they may get. A lot of topics fall in that category. What may surprise you is that with a little more reading, research, those hypothesis hold merit too. Global warming, our fault, yeh right. Then cool off Mars, Pluto, etc.

Oil, yes we've used a lot of it. We should be inventing, researching, GREEN (solar, wind, Bloom Boxes, etc.). Is oil derived from dead dinasours to begin with? Is it running out? That's what we were taught in school but no one bothered to research the other hypothesis that oil may be a recurring product of the earth's recycling process' (through the constant recycling of dead and dying matter on this planet over thousands of years). In other words a constant supply of oil. There's a lot of evidence to suggest just that (never mind the fact that peak oil should have ran out quite a while back). Can we over use it? Possibly. If it's only being made by so much per year then yes. However, as no one knows the answer to that one yet the whole issue is very suspect in the least. Evidence suggests a lot of "found fields" for example are not exactly public knowlege. We should be persueing other green alternatives in any event. That's where our dollars should be spent.

And anyone who also wants to think the polar ice caps are melting on earth 'cause we're the cause is just an idiot living in a fantasy world.

Your quote, not mine.

If you haven't read anything on the alternative topics above then who's the idiot?
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#185249 - 04/03/10 04:28 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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1st, post all u want, irrelevent or not,.. but i wont apologize to anyone for posting useless posts that say your wrong but dont explain why

i dont live on a different planet and i dont care how global warming works, nor who's right or wrong, but id guess human technology has warmed it up

regarding oil, i never heard of anyone finding watered down oil thats only 50 years old, lol...... but good to know roadrunners descendants will enjoy a endless supply

lastly roadrunner, you quoted me wrong, you lumped 2 sentences together, 1 regarding fossil fuel, and 1 regarding global warming, then added because of humans, and you created a sentence i never said....... your just wrong

i said == i believe in global warming, tho its very gradual...... heck, the polar icecaps disappearing should tell u that alone............ THEN on diff topic i said --- and anyone who thinks we have unlimited fossil fuels is just a idiot....... its just a matter of time before we use it up...... 50, 100, 150, 200 maybe 250 years, who knows..... but eventually fossil fuel will be gone

roadrunner said i said [wrong] === And anyone who also wants to think the polar ice caps are melting on earth 'cause we're the cause is just an idiot living in a fantasy world. Your quote, not mine.

so again your wrong roadrunner........ wasnt my quote u quoted

relax, im not saying anything bad about u, your kinda smart, im just saying on this topic and my observations i dont see u contributing reasons why

finally RR, i stayed on topic and saw no reason nor cause for alternate topic discussion, my posts gave my opinions on 2 topics only..... bring up a alternate topic and i'll give my useless opinions, lol......
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#185278 - 04/03/10 09:01 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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There's certainly no absolute proof that human activity is the main cause of global warming, but there are some well-established facts that everyone should be able to agree on.

1. Fossil fuels all contain carbon and when they're burned they release CO2 into the atmosphere.

2. The industrial revolution, which started big-time about 150 years ago, relies heavily on the burning of ever-larger amounts of fossil fuels.

3. The measured amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has been increasing steadily over that same 150 years and is now about 20% higher than it was back then.

4. The ice caps at the north and south poles have been getting smaller and ocean levels have risen as a result.

5. CO2 is one of several atmospheric gases that has been proven to act as a greenhouse gas.

Every one of those statements is thoroughly documented and should be accepted by anyone who is reasonably well-informed. Doesn't lead to any provable conclusions, but it sure is ominous IMO.

The main argument in favor of cutting back on our oil consumption should be so we can stop sending our money to the Middle-east, where a lot of it is likely helping to fund Islamic radicals and terrorists. Let those SOB's go back to herding goats and camels and killing each other in petty feuds the way they've been doing for over 3000 years now, and keep our noses the hell out of it.

If that helps global warming to even a tiny extent then we should see that as a side benefit.


Edited by ghoti (04/03/10 09:05 PM)
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#185282 - 04/03/10 10:26 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: ghoti]
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I had hoped in posting the book title on Amazon that you would look it up and read some of the points made by the author and and others that I am sure would have come up in a Google search. Much as we'd like to think we are independent of each other and what we do that is not the case. Example: Deforesting of the rain forests. The effects are global.

Watered down oil? Really. This planet is much older than 50 years and this process has been going on all that time period. LOL, I am afraid you missed the whole premise, Lazer.

I am not quoting you in replies. If I were I would indicate it as such. I am using your words of description. For Example:

Lazer
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"if it wasnt for the big companies mass producing, keeping costs down, youd be charged more for everything
its always about money, even if u only make $10k a year.... just a diff level

you people only hate the rich because you arent rich, lol....."



To say that,
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is inaccurate and unfair IMHO. It would be nice to just toss around 2 or 3 comments on the topic and call it a day however this one has long reaching tentacles. Finally, Lazer, this is one topic. It is not an alternate. I am on topic.

Ghoti.......well said. I agree with ALL you have said. It is ominous, very ominous. It is IMO a very excellent reason to hear the other side of the story that we are not hearing.

What is heating up the other planets as well as the earth?
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#185288 - 04/04/10 12:25 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: Roadrunner]
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RR, u didnt comprehend 1 thing i said or meant, oh well

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#185289 - 04/04/10 02:38 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti

The main argument in favor of cutting back on our oil consumption should be so we can stop sending our money to the Middle-east, where a lot of it is likely helping to fund Islamic radicals and terrorists.

Absolutely!

I would love to see homes & neighborhoods become self-sufficient.
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#185290 - 04/04/10 02:51 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: ghoti

The main argument in favor of cutting back on our oil consumption should be so we can stop sending our money to the Middle-east, where a lot of it is likely helping to fund Islamic radicals and terrorists.

Absolutely!

I would love to see homes & neighborhoods become self-sufficient.


the only way we will be is to drill on our own
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#185291 - 04/04/10 03:18 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

the only way we will be is to drill on our own

As a national oil company? My only problem with Obama allowing new offshore drilling is that it will be exported. I see no sense in selling off a limited, valuable resource.
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#185292 - 04/04/10 03:30 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: flicka]
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so hoard it untouched and keep buying overseas?

how about a governmemnt owned and run oil company?

according to roadrunner, theres unlimited oil soooooo.. hehe

i guess i think if we drilled our own we'd only supply the united states with no need for overseas oil?

is that a unrealistic goal? or a dream?

what would be the drawbacks?

or is it cheaper to subcontract companies to drill?
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#185294 - 04/04/10 03:40 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
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Originally Posted By: lazer

i guess i think if we drilled our own we'd only supply the united states with no need for overseas oil?

is that a unrealistic goal? or a dream?

what would be the drawbacks?

or is it cheaper to subcontract companies to drill?

At this time it is unrealistic & a dream. I actually don't have a problem with allowing oil companies to drill IF we charged them a fair price for leases and got a percent of the profit. As it is now, they take billions of dollars out of our supply at practically no charge from us. In fact, we have even been known to GIVE the oil companies money as an incentive to pump our oil out of the ground.
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#185295 - 04/04/10 03:42 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
flicka
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Registered: 04/06/00
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Loc: SLO County, CA - 66.122.77.142
Originally Posted By: lazer
so hoard it untouched and keep buying overseas?

Hoard it to the point that we will always have enough to defend the motherland from those who wish to do us evil.
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#185297 - 04/04/10 04:08 PM Re: YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP [Re: lazer]
Roadrunner
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Registered: 07/08/03
Posts: 2516
Originally Posted By: lazer
RR, u didnt comprehend 1 thing i said or meant, oh well

happy easter


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according to roadrunner, theres unlimited oil soooooo.. hehe



Neither did you, Lazer, neither did you.

And.................you've also misquoted/misunderstood what I also said.

Happy Easter to you too!
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