#187808 - 06/12/10 01:38 PM
Re: All our bad weather catrastrophie's
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Paulwa_dup1
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Ghoti God does not hand out punishments directly or by decsion. He just moves His spirit away and lifts His protection from the land of the people who go against Israel. Things do not happen as we see them directly but will happen at some time as God removes His protection. The bible says those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed..it doesn't give time frames for results. Maybe it is a type of thing that if you play with knives long enough you will eventually get cut, I don't know exactly what God means by those scriptures but am sure He does.
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#187816 - 06/12/10 03:46 PM
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Paul I
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Blessing and cursing a nation are decidedly different than being involved with its politics and policies. I can in no way see how
pushing Israel to give up settlements in land not its own is blessing or cursing.
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#187819 - 06/12/10 04:17 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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All of Israel belongs to Israel accordng to the bible and it is laid out very plainly what lands are theirs. The bible also puts a curse on who would split up Israel. Course those who discredit the bible will never see or agree.
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#187824 - 06/12/10 07:46 PM
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lmao...Anybody who doesn't discredit the bible is a fool. Not even scientology has as many holes it. Seriously, as a philosophy Christianity has some merit, but anybody who takes the bible literally needs help big time.
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#187825 - 06/12/10 07:52 PM
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ghoti
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Excuse me, but you ARE DIRECTLY SAYIING IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD that the US is being punished with bad weather because we don't support Israel enough. The Arab nations that want to destroy Israel seem to have been blessed by having most of the world's oil supply and I don't hear much about them having any bad weather lately.
God's favor or lack thereof doesn't seem to work very well as behavior modification.
Edited by ghoti (06/12/10 07:56 PM)
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#187834 - 06/12/10 09:54 PM
Re: All our bad weather catrastrophie's
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Well the Arabs are blessed with the majority of scabland and desert in the world with ferocious sandstorms and atrocious heat and frigid winters, no pasture lands as such, just scrub grass and not a lot of water, and I think their oil is slowly dropping in production from what I hear. The Arabs will get their punishment the moment they attack Israel. We are supposed to be friends of Israel and a support to them but we have definately moved away from that position. Yes I think America has fallen from gods favor this last century. Thiis is justwhat I think and I am not arguing with anyone about it. We all have views.
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#187835 - 06/12/10 11:32 PM
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ghoti
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I know you'll go on believing that no matter what anyone says, but there's zero real evidence supporting it. There have ALWAYS been bad weather and natural disasters going on somewhere, but before there were 24 hour news channels we just didn't hear about most of them.
If there was any credence to your "God punishes those who don't support Israel" theory then it would be reasonable to expect him to start with those who give the LEAST support first, not the one country in the world that gives them the MOST support.
If the US ever withdrew our support and foreign aid from Israel the Arabs would over-run them in a matter of weeks
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#187838 - 06/13/10 01:19 AM
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Paul I
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The climate changes that have occured in the Middle East over the last 2000 years have affected all the countries there.
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#187841 - 06/13/10 10:12 AM
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Paulwa_dup1
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ExceptIsrael,when they began returning they reclaimed the desertthat had become Israel and turned it into a green breadbasket country full of fruit. The palestinians living there previously could do nothing wth it and et it die.Now as they say it is blossoming lke a rose because God s blessing Israel. And if we turned against Israel no country coming aganst Israel will prosper. The Arabs and Israel are cousins and God treats them dfferently than other gentile nations. But those who rise up with weapons against Israel will suffer God's consequences. God won't need America's or anyone elses help to stop the agression.
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#187842 - 06/13/10 11:48 AM
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But those who rise up with weapons against Israel will suffer God's consequences.
Is it okay with God that Israel attacks others...like in this flotilla invasion?
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#187846 - 06/13/10 02:13 PM
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It is alright with me to put up a blockade to stop weapons from getting to their enemies. The shipswereforewarned of the blockade and they went in anyway. When Russia triedshippingin missiles to Cuba the president, Kennedy stopped them and we would have fought if they hadn't turned back. The Arabs are intenton wiping Israel off the face of the earth..they have a right to defend themselves tiny little country that they are, if Godwas not backng them they wouldn't be here today and would have gone bye bye at the very first day of the country's existance. The Arabs were ready to do them in then and n 1967 Egypt was celebrating because they were ready to attack Israel and Israel bombed them out and destroyed all their aircraft..God is with them.
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#187847 - 06/13/10 02:30 PM
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flicka
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It is alright with me ...
But is it okay with God?
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#187850 - 06/13/10 09:45 PM
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Don't know that, you'll have to ask Him.:-) Apparently He kind of stood back and let them work it out between themselves. Didn't work out too pretty did it?
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#187852 - 06/13/10 10:53 PM
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flicka
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Don't know that, you'll have to ask Him.:-)
Don't be modest, you know how He feels about most other things.
Thou shalt not kill & all...
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#187861 - 06/14/10 11:31 AM
Re: All our bad weather catrastrophie's
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The decision to put up a blockade to protectJewish citizens is a political/military decision of Israel as is the deciision of Palestinans to attempt to overrun the blockade.They are cousins and God has obliigations to both of them, but when iit comes down to out and out attack of srael, God will protect Israel first. When it envolves only a few of each side I think He lets them settle it themselves. Just my opinion. He told Abraham that Ishmael would be the father of a numberless nation of his people, but that the covenant of God would only go to Isaac and not Ishmael. God said He would bless Ishmael and his nations and He has in many ways. The covenant between God and the Jews has given the son of God to the world for salvation. The Jews are under the original covenant and have a different relationship with God than everyone else. Eventually they will be brought into the fold with all others..another in my opinion. Also in my opiinion God needs to settle this all very soon because it is moving towards a day of total anhilation of mankind through nuclear war.
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